| juliank | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bdrung | \o | 15:01 |
| ginggs_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ogayot | o/ | 15:01 |
| dbungert | o/ | 15:01 |
| mateus-morais | o/ | 15:01 |
| liushuyu | o/ | 15:01 |
| zhsj | o/ | 15:01 |
| juliank | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 15:01 |
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| juliank | #topic Lightning rounds | 15:01 |
| juliank | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-17-aug-2023/ | 15:02 |
| juliank | let's take our usual minutes to read and um ugh finish writing I guess | 15:02 |
| mclemenceau_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| slyon | o/ | 15:03 |
| pushkarnk | o/ | 15:06 |
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| juliank | Is the channel topic some joke? | 15:09 |
| * juliank just noticed it is "Outstanding mailing list requests to assign" | 15:09 | |
| === pushkarnk changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Outstanding mailing list requests to assign | ||
| === dbungert changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
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| bdmurray | bdrung: Have you considered talking about how you are using bugpatterns and search-bugs? | 15:11 |
| === dbungert changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| juliank | Hooray thanks dbungert | 15:11 |
| juliank | weird stuff | 15:12 |
| juliank | :D | 15:12 |
| pushkarnk | ::) | 15:12 |
| bdrung | bdmurray, no, but this would fit in a lightning talk | 15:12 |
| juliank | #topic Release incoming bugs | 15:14 |
| juliank | let's continue | 15:14 |
| juliank | #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:14 |
| juliank | bug 2031172 | 15:14 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031172 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "Please take a stand on 'screen: Use clean env when creating new tab'" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031172 | 15:14 | |
| juliank | uh | 15:14 |
| juliank | wrong list | 15:15 |
| juliank | s/list/line/ | 15:15 |
| juliank | bug 2031421 | 15:15 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031421 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "netplan.io autopkgtest failures with NetworkManager 1.44.0" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031421 | 15:15 | |
| slyon | I think danilogondolfo did investigate this already a bit? ^ | 15:15 |
| danilogondolfo | I started investigating this one, I can reproduce the problem but I'm still not sure what is happening | 15:16 |
| slyon | we should probably take it and tag it foundations-todo | 15:16 |
| juliank | ack | 15:16 |
| * slyon doing | 15:16 | |
| juliank | bug 2029148 seems like a desktop thing | 15:16 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2029148 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "cups snap - can't add printer" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2029148 | 15:16 | |
| juliank | (it's here because it also has an ubuntu-meta task, but that seems not really right) | 15:17 |
| juliank | but let's skip it for now | 15:17 |
| juliank | bug 2031020 | 15:17 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031020 in tpm2-tss (Debian) "tpm2-tss: FTBFS (test failures)" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031020 | 15:17 | |
| slyon | We can discuss this during proposed-migration ^ | 15:17 |
| slyon | I mis-tagged it (and already removed the tag) | 15:18 |
| juliank | ack | 15:18 |
| juliank | bug 2031420 | 15:18 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031420 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "package memtest86+ 6.20-2 failed to install/upgrade: installed memtest86+ package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031420 | 15:18 | |
| juliank | this one makes no sense | 15:18 |
| juliank | oh maybe it does? | 15:19 |
| juliank | /etc/grub.d/10_linux is a conffile | 15:19 |
| juliank | memtest86+ doesn't depend on grub-common | 15:19 |
| juliank | it can get configured after unpackging grub-common | 15:19 |
| juliank | but the conffile will only be moved in place during configuration? | 15:19 |
| juliank | bug 2017401 | 15:24 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2017401 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "Unexpected / unwanted unattended-upgrades behaviour after kernel upgrade when Livepatch enabled" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017401 | 15:24 | |
| bdmurray | It looks like the server team is on that | 15:24 |
| vorlon | we should take it, unattended-upgrades is our package | 15:25 |
| juliank | I don't think there's anything actionable there | 15:25 |
| vorlon | yes there is | 15:26 |
| juliank | what? | 15:26 |
| vorlon | unattended-upgrades should be adjusted to not ignore the user's configuration of automatic reboots when livepatch is present | 15:26 |
| juliank | how is that related to automatic reboots? | 15:26 |
| juliank | oh | 15:27 |
| juliank | but that's not what the livepatch people and product team want afaict | 15:27 |
| vorlon | if a user configures livepatch and configures automatic reboots, we should honor the user's intent | 15:27 |
| vorlon | even though it is IMHO pointless | 15:28 |
| juliank | but how | 15:28 |
| vorlon | there is an example given in the bug log of a case where a livepatch became available before the deb was available via unattended-upgrades | 15:28 |
| juliank | we must not touch reboot-required essentially because then the stuff goes wrong | 15:28 |
| bdrung | It would be useful to differentiate between "reboot required" and "reboot useful" | 15:29 |
| vorlon | ok now you're talking implementation details ;) | 15:29 |
| vorlon | yes I've spun out a jira card about that | 15:29 |
| juliank | what we talked about and had agreement on is not surfacing reboot requirements if livepatched | 15:29 |
| vorlon | to consider for the 24.04 roadmap | 15:29 |
| vorlon | https://warthogs.atlassian.net/browse/FR-5133 | 15:29 |
| juliank | that IMO also extends to automatic reboots | 15:30 |
| juliank | that's also not something owned by foundations | 15:30 |
| vorlon | juliank: well, I wasn't consulted wrt that agreement and am asking that it be reevaluated :) | 15:30 |
| juliank | the livepatch messaging and update messaging is owned by pro client verym uch | 15:30 |
| juliank | vorlon: hmm you were in the room where we discussed all the livepatch and update messaging with pro client | 15:31 |
| juliank | Can we setup a quick meeting with pro, livepatch and us to figure the right answer out? | 15:32 |
| vorlon | I'm not saying that we should be setting the reboot-required flag for this, I'm saying that the auto-reboot should still happen when the user has requested it | 15:32 |
| juliank | I think the auto-reboot should only happen if specifically configured to also reboot despite being livepatched | 15:32 |
| juliank | or livepatched too long ago ;) | 15:32 |
| juliank | other releases are empty | 15:33 |
| juliank | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:34 |
| juliank | #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 15:34 |
| juliank | #topic AOB | 15:34 |
| juliank | uh | 15:35 |
| juliank | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:35 |
| juliank | #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 15:35 |
| vorlon | nice list today | 15:36 |
| * schopin feels guilty about that... | 15:36 | |
| slyon | First one (python-reportlab) just needs to be demoted by an AA | 15:36 |
| vorlon | then I'll take it | 15:36 |
| vorlon | tpm2-tss in progress by slyon - carry over? | 15:37 |
| slyon | yes please. | 15:37 |
| vorlon | vim: danilogondolfo? | 15:37 |
| danilogondolfo | I have a card to work on the vim one this pulse | 15:37 |
| slyon | I have a workaround in place for tpm2-tss, but it's ugly. The proper fix is actively being worked on by Debian and upstream | 15:37 |
| vorlon | db5.3: sil2100 | 15:37 |
| vorlon | libregexp-pattern-license-perl: bdrung? | 15:38 |
| bdrung | okay | 15:38 |
| vorlon | curl vs openssl: bdmurray? | 15:38 |
| vorlon | gnutls28: dbungert? | 15:38 |
| dbungert | ack for gnutls28 | 15:38 |
| vorlon | that's gnutls28 autopkgtest regressions with new openssl, cute | 15:39 |
| vorlon | ginggs_: can you take the rest of the openssl autopkgtest regressions? (except petsc I'll follow up on that one) | 15:39 |
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| ginggs | sure | 15:39 |
| vorlon | binutils: xypron? | 15:40 |
| xypron | ok | 15:40 |
| vorlon | python-dateutil: juliank? | 15:40 |
| bdmurray | ack | 15:40 |
| juliank | ack | 15:40 |
| vorlon | juliank: sorry, let's make that tzdata since there are other autopkgtest regressions to look at besides python-dateutil | 15:40 |
| vorlon | curl: mateus-morais? | 15:41 |
| juliank | ack | 15:41 |
| mateus-morais | ack | 15:41 |
| vorlon | cron: enr0n? | 15:41 |
| enr0n | vorlon: ack | 15:41 |
| bdrung | python-dateutil 2.7.3-3 fixed the tzdata failure | 15:41 |
| vorlon | eh python-dateutil vs mailman3 has overlap with both tzdata and curl; I'll just take a look at this one | 15:41 |
| vorlon | sudo: ogayot? | 15:42 |
| danilogondolfo | sudo seems to be passing the tests on armhf now | 15:42 |
| vorlon | mdadm: pushkarnk? | 15:42 |
| pushkarnk | vorlon: ack | 15:42 |
| vorlon | fontconfig: schopin? | 15:42 |
| schopin | ack | 15:42 |
| ginggs | vorlon: why was mdadm not built on i386 | 15:42 |
| ginggs | or rather, why was it ever? | 15:42 |
| vorlon | schopin: or do you want to take glibc and I'll give fontconfig to liushuyu :) | 15:43 |
| schopin | Oh if he wants glibc I'll give it to him :D | 15:43 |
| schopin | But yeah that sounds reasonable. | 15:43 |
| ogayot | vorlon: I can try but I'll be off starting tomorrow. | 15:43 |
| vorlon | ogayot: ok if you don't get it done then we'll pick it up next week | 15:44 |
| vorlon | fontconfig: liushuyu | 15:44 |
| ogayot | vorlon: ack, thanks! | 15:45 |
| vorlon | glibc: schopin: | 15:45 |
| vorlon | and I think everyone has something now | 15:45 |
| vorlon | ginggs: mdadm has fallen out of the whitelist, I've run binary removals to clean it up | 15:45 |
| liushuyu | vorlon: understood | 15:45 |
| vorlon | pushkarnk: so you can take sudo from ogayot if he doesn't get it done | 15:46 |
| pushkarnk | sure | 15:46 |
| vorlon | sphinx to vpa1977 | 15:46 |
| vorlon | and ubiquity to mwhudson | 15:46 |
| vorlon | and that's everyone and all the packages | 15:47 |
| vorlon | juliank: | 15:47 |
| juliank | thanks vorlon | 15:47 |
| juliank | #topic AOB | 15:47 |
| juliank | any other business? | 15:47 |
| juliank | it's hot here, I should really turn on the portable AC | 15:48 |
| juliank | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:52:58 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-08-17-15.01.moin.txt | 15:52 |
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