[00:18] <joseph1> I just want to say thanks. you folks are awesome.
[00:19] <sarnold> :)
[00:19] <joseph1> you know what to do.
[00:19] <sarnold> !cookie oerheks
[00:19] <oerheks> !cookie | sarnold
[00:19] <joseph1> killer people
[00:20] <joseph1> !cookie ubuntu
[00:20] <joseph1> doh
[00:21] <joseph1> sarnold,  oerheks  said buuy him a free diner - is this right ??
[00:21] <oerheks> oh i like to meet sarnold, but i cannot go to usa
[00:21] <sarnold> joseph1: or at least a cookie! ;)
[00:21] <oerheks> i can swim, but not that far
[00:21] <joseph1> sarnold,  ill buy your visa
[00:23] <joseph1> you folks are killer when it comes down to trouble=shooting- I have given $$ many times to Ubuntu - I now know why.
[00:24] <joseph1> have a great day folks.
[00:25] <joseph1> chow.
[01:26] <vim_fans> hi,there. would anyone like to tell me what does the bellow statement do?   sort -t'\t' +1rn    what confused me is +1 part
[01:29] <leftyfb> vim_fans: https://stackoverflow.com/a/29393824
[01:29] <vim_fans> leftyfb: thanks
[02:07] <diamat> https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687365677152075776
[02:08] <oerheks> diamat, why a twitter crap url? explain? why spanning pultiple channels?
[02:08] <oerheks> c/multiple
[02:08] <oerheks> !ops
[02:13] <genii> diamat: If you persist in spamming a ban will ensue
[02:14] <diamat> k
[02:22] <richard> p
[02:22] <richard> who is ChanServ?
[02:22] <oerheks> ask in...
[03:30] <oerheks>  /clear and wipe my screen, thanks
[03:59] <diamat> you guys should try openbsd, it's more secure than linux
[04:00] <guiverc> diamat, please stay on-topic; this is a Ubuntu support room.
[04:00] <diamat> ok
[04:00] <diamat> ayebeesee abc
[04:01] <oerheks> diamat, you got banned multiple channels...carefull now
[04:01] <diamat> ok
[04:01] <diamat> I'll be "carefull"
[04:01] <rbox> "careful"... its just a troll
[04:01] <diamat> I'm full of care
[08:42] <Tehdastehdas> How to view reviews in Snap Store? How to edit my review?
[09:00] <Itay> When I'm adding a new network interface to a virtual machine(2 in total), and reboot the VM without any additional config, the second interface is picking up the already occupied static IP of the first interface. Why is it not staying unassigned?
[09:02] <Itay> There is only 1 netplan config file which referes to only the first interface and thats it
[10:07] <robin_> Single line question: is there a way to get a session manager on RDP connections when running 22.04 Remote Desktop sharing? I'd like to be able to RDP or VNC to a headless remote server.
[10:07] <robin_> (In a server room, so nobody there to push the OK button)
[10:10] <Jazzy_J> Have you looked at xvnc?
[10:10] <Jazzy_J> It will give you access to the root window when configured correctly.
[10:10] <Jazzy_J> Another solution is X2Go
[10:12] <Jazzy_J> I use both. I've got two headless servers with over 50 virtual machines running on them. I have X2Go running on about 80% of them.
[10:14] <alkisg> robin_: there's also `apt install xrdp`
[10:17] <Jazzy_J> Thanks, I forgot about that one. I don't use it, so it gets shelved and covered with dust in my brain.
[10:23] <ogra> on a headless system you should better use ssh or putty though ... setting up X/Wayland just to get terminal access is a bit overkill
[10:53] <Itay> I see the second interface is generating a file at /run/netplan/xxx,
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> Itay: maybe the #ubuntu-server guys might assist you better in this case?
[10:56] <Itay> lotuspsychje I thought asking there but the title asks for ubuntu-server specific only and its not server specific really
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> Itay: are you not using netplan on an ubuntu server?
[10:57] <Itay> fair point
[12:10] <AngryTom> Does somebody know, how to disable the delay before scrolling starts, when scrolling with the arrow keys with firefox?
[12:13] <AngryTom> ah, found it with chatgpt.
[12:16] <AngryTom> but does not work
[12:20] <tomreyn> AngryTom: about:config -> general.smoothScroll.*
[12:21] <tomreyn> the main setting is also exposed in about:preferences -> General -> Browsing -> Use smooth scrolling
[12:27] <AngryTom> but which one is for the delay?
[12:28] <tomreyn> smooth scrolling itself. for more info, see the mozilla wiki
[12:44] <ioria> AngryTom, might be also an OS problem; check SystemSettings > Accessibility > Typing > Repeat Key
[12:46] <tomreyn> it could even be just non-accelerated graphics
[12:46] <AngryTom> It is Firefox. Safari does not have that delay.
[12:46] <tomreyn> safari on ubuntu?
[12:47] <AngryTom> I mean Firefox opn macOS also has that delay.
[12:48] <tomreyn> ah, but your original question refers to firefox on ubuntu then?
[12:48] <AngryTom> yes, but Firefox always has that delay, on mac and Windows too.
[12:49] <tomreyn> hmm, not for me. but i have modified firefox configurations
[13:44] <imi> hi. I'm wondering whether a completely open source AAA game would be actually feasible
[13:45] <Artfaith> imi, a video-game? If so, may I ask what kind of the artwork is it? What is the genre and features would it share?
[13:46] <imi> currently I'm playing fallout newv vegas, and as I heard there are plenty of cut content basically because of contractual obligations, monetary considerations and deadlines
[13:51] <leftyfb> !ot | imi
[13:58] <Artfaith> You heard or you actually read the history behind/about it? Just in case, in general, it's FOnline: Reloaded -> FOnline: 2238 -> FOnline Engine -> Project V13, which is partially "Earthrise engine"... and nothing is open source there unless you mean the Community re-implemented versions like https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce and ...2-ce .
[13:59] <Artfaith> https://www.engadget.com/2012-01-09-bethesda-settles-all-fallout-ip-related-lawsuits.html | https://fo2238.fodev.net/source/ | https://fodev.net/forum/index.php/topic,29351.msg257996.html ...
[13:59] <Artfaith> imi, ^
[14:02] <leftyfb> Artfaith: please take the non-ubuntu support question to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:02] <Artfaith> Just in another case, the corporation hierarchy, Bethesda (*) -> Zenimax (Elder Scrolls Online <3) -> Xbox (Thank you for not really interrupting Zenimax ^^, dear Microsoft). Some developers of Zenimax may be reached out in forums and chats around like Gitter where I was communicating with while developing add-ons for ESO: https://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10 | and regarding a possible
[14:02] <Artfaith> modification of someone's property without their permission, of course it is a violation under law contexts. Zenimax (Bethesda), I believe, watch it, and unless no one makes actual money from it, they won't raise the law, since why would they be against their Community in the first place. It should work on Linux I believe since the most of Zenimax's (Bethesda) projects are on Proton's Gold. The
[14:02] <Artfaith> ineffably marvelous Developers... Artists... might even implement it for Steam Deck natively so for Linux.
[14:02] <Artfaith> leftyfb, oh... indeed, am sorry.
[14:03] <imi> Artfaith: I'm aware of the fact that fallout new vegas isn't opensource. what I'm wondering is whether it would be possible to create an opensource AAA game without the monetary/deadline/contractual constraints therefore without content being cut, ultimately being the game even more awesome
[14:04] <Artfaith> imi, seems to be outside of the mentioned channel, though. So, just one thing to wrap it: The Elder Scrolls Online and upcoming Starfield! <333
[14:06] <Artfaith> imi, you mean like to develop something but living on the steets, eating the bare air, and crawling in trash cans? No, thank you. Even under the hood of hug monetary support and great development Teams and Artists, such projects require at least 5 years to accomplish.
[14:06] <pavlos> this channel is for questions
[14:07] <Artfaith> There are some like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen , but: ...Pre-production of the game began in 2010, with production starting in 2011....
[14:07]  * Artfaith stopped here ^^
[14:22] <lblume> Good afternoon channel
[14:22] <lblume> On an HPE Proliant DL380 Gen9, is it possible to install the hardware monitoring agents for SNMP in Ubuntu 22.04?
[14:41] <webchat8> Hello
[14:42] <webchat8> Is this where I can get tech support regarding Ubuntu?
[14:44] <fdan>  Destination /etc/apt/sources.list.d not writable
[14:44] <fdan> I get this error
[14:44] <fdan> any idea why?
[14:45] <ogra> webchat8, that is the purpose of his channel, yes
[14:46] <ogra> fdan, disk/filesystem issues ? (the dir itself is usually writable bt would indeed turn readonly on filesystem errors of your disk (but so would the whole disk))
[14:46] <pavlos> fdan: show ls -l /etc/apt/ it should be 755 root:root
[14:47] <pavlos> fdan: drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 May  1 14:55 sources.list.d/
[14:47] <fdan> yes its root:root and 755
[14:48] <ogra> fdan, so with sudo it should be writable ...
[14:48] <ogra> what is the exact error message you get ?
[14:48] <pavlos> fdan: sudo touch fdan /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:49] <pavlos> fdan: did it create an empty file called fdan in that dir?
[15:51] <BenjaminR339> hello?
[15:52] <tomreyn> BenjaminR339: hello.
[15:53] <tomreyn> !ask
[15:54] <BenjaminR339> I have to leave
[15:54] <Artfaith> > Hello! I have a question! I will not ask it before anyone will ask me to ask it.
[15:55] <hwpplayer1> !ubuntu
[15:56] <hwpplayer1> Does Ubuntu is more integrated with GCC or LLVM ?
[16:01] <jhutchins> hwpplayer1: Depends on what each project decides to use.
[16:02] <hwpplayer1> So does it mean some projects can rely on LLVM within Ubuntu/Canonical development ?
[16:03] <hwpplayer1> jhutchins: Thanks
[16:04] <hwpplayer1> brb
[16:04] <tomreyn> both gcc and llvm/clang are generally available in ubuntu, and packages can build with either, i would think
[16:04] <hwpplayer1> understood
[16:04] <tomreyn> hmm clang is in universe
[16:05] <hwpplayer1> got it tomreyn
[16:05] <tomreyn> so i guess packages in main will need to build against gcc
[16:05] <hwpplayer1> I need to go to Python dojo
[16:05] <hwpplayer1> talk to you later tomreyn and jhutchins
[16:06] <hwpplayer1> Thanks
[16:07] <tomreyn> see you
[16:14] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Are there constraints imposed by the packaging team?
[16:23] <hwpplayer1> I'm back tomreyn
[16:23] <hwpplayer1> Thanks
[16:26] <iomari891> greetings, How do I use bind in fstab?
[16:28] <leftyfb> iomari891: https://serverfault.com/a/613184   first result on google for "fstab bind mount"
[16:57] <echelon> can someone explain why apt isn't able to see the key i imported? https://paste.ee/r/4zNOs
[16:59] <echelon> never mind, just fixed it.. it needed to be in /etc/apt/keyrings/ -_-
[17:02] <iomari891> leftyfb: thanks
[17:15] <tomreyn> jhutchins: i would not know
[17:20] <jhutchins> Hmmm... I know a guy...
[17:27] <jhutchins> On the one hand, upstream developers can use whatever they like, but it seems like when it comes to building software and packages would probably standardize on a consistent compiler.
[17:34] <nvmd> https://termbin.com/a76y
[17:34] <matsaman> jhutchins: upstreams =P
[17:34] <H3dn1ng> Are there different snap repos?
[17:34] <nvmd> On a 5800X3D and can't boost past 3.4GHz
[17:34] <nvmd> what's the deal?
[17:35] <H3dn1ng> I got VMs with Ubuntu that get Firefox updates earlier than my Kubuntu main install
[17:39] <toddc> H3dn1ng: phazed updates   https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/about-apt-upgrade-and-phased-updates/33649
[17:40] <pycurious> I installed ubuntu alongside windows 11. Now I can't get into grub/ubuntu when the machine boots. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[17:41] <zphinx> pycurious: is secure boot enabled?
[17:42] <pycurious> Its an MSI Laptop. Let me check
[17:47] <pycurious> zphinx: secure boot disabled- it gave me an MOK error - then gave me grub
[18:00] <toddc> pycurious: I had a duel boot that did that I had to turn off fast boot in windows then reinstall --fast boot stored windows in ram so it messed up the setup of grub in bios
[18:08] <H3dn1ng> toddc: Even if it does not say so, ur obviosly right since I can see that snap lists Firefox with the newer version on Kubuntu.
[18:09] <H3dn1ng> toddc: Any idea how I force an update? I got no problem with phased updates but I'd like the latest Firefox...
[18:10] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: sudo snap refresh
[18:13] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: That doesn't work, unfortunately
[18:13] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: sudo snap refresh firefix
[18:13] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: sudo snap refresh firefox
[18:14] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: That doesn't work, unfortunately
[18:15] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: snap list firefox
[18:15] <leftyfb> whart version does it say?
[18:15] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: As I said earlier snap list syas that there is a later version available
[18:16] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: ok, when you let me know what "snap list firefox" says, we can continue troubleshooting
[18:19] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: installed:          116.0.2-1               (2993) 248MB -
[18:19] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: that doesn't look like any output from snap I've seen
[18:19] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: I konw, that was from installed
[18:20] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: snap list gives the same version as installed
[18:20] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: snap find gives this:
[18:20] <H3dn1ng> firefox                    116.0.3-2      mozilla✓          -             Mozilla Firefox web browser
[18:20] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: what command did you run to get that output exactly?
[18:21] <leftyfb> the one that said "installed:"
[18:21] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: snap info firefox
[18:21] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: snap list firefox    # what is the output from this?
[18:21] <hwpplayer1> publisher: Mozilla✓
[18:22] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: firefox  116.0.2-1  2993  latest/stable/…  mozilla✓  -
[18:22] <hwpplayer1> happy Mozilla day :)
[18:25] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: close firefox completely
[18:25] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: confirm in a terminal by running: "ps -ef |grep firefox"
[18:26] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: thanks for the help but that is not it, I tried it before
[18:26] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: let me know when you've followed the instructions and we can continue troubleshooting
[18:27] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: snap itself reports that the latest version is the same as installed
[18:27] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: let me know when you've followed the instructions and we can continue troubleshooting
[18:30] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: I have
[18:30] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: sudo snap refresh firefox --channel=latest/stable
[18:32] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: that worked, thanks for the help! Maybe suggest that a bit earlier in the process?
[18:32] <leftyfb> H3dn1ng: I don't make suggestions until I have enough information to go on and possible causes. I don't get that without you giving me the data requested in the way it was requested
[18:33] <olabuntu> Hi, I was doing the usual apt update/apt upgrade and apt itself was a package getting updated from 2.4.9 to 2.4.10. Anyways, it keeps getting stuck on: Unpacking apt (2.4.10) over (2.4.9). Nothing I tried has fixed it (and probably made it worse). Any suggestions how to proceed?
[18:33] <leftyfb> olabuntu: sudo apt clean ; sudo apt install apt
[18:35] <olabuntu> ok I will give it a try
[18:35] <leftyfb> olabuntu: if that doesn't work, please pastebin the entire command you're running and it's resulting errors
[18:37] <olabuntu2> leftyfb https://pastebin.com/DyU8muLP
[18:38] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: pastebin: apt-cache policy apt-transport-https
[18:39] <olabuntu2> leftyfb https://pastebin.com/CtvaXfmz
[18:39] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: you have a bit of a mess here
[18:40] <olabuntu2> Indeed
[18:40] <olabuntu2> Can I just wipe apt somehow and re-install it
[18:40] <leftyfb> not sure why it's complaining about apt-transport-https 1.5 since you don't have a repo with that. And it's also complaining about cuda, which is pretty common
[18:41] <olabuntu2> the cuda thing is probably WSL related
[18:41] <leftyfb> oh, WSL
[18:41] <leftyfb> good luck
[18:41] <olabuntu2> rip
[18:42] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: I would suggest removing cude and starting there
[18:42] <leftyfb> I'm not entirely sure the messages about the apt package are blocking anything
[18:43] <leftyfb> but libcuda definitely is
[18:43] <leftyfb> oh wait
[18:43] <leftyfb> I have that wrong
[18:43] <leftyfb> well, sort of
[18:43] <leftyfb> the WSL libcuda is causing issues with the apt-transport-https package
[18:44] <leftyfb> it's definitely related to wsl/libcuda
[18:44] <leftyfb> apt-transport-https is just the symptom
[18:45] <leftyfb>  /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/wsl/lib/libcuda.so.1 is not a symbolic link
[18:48] <olabuntu2> leftyfb I removed the files and created a symlink but the issue is still there
[18:49] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: I would not suggest such attempts and fixing issues
[18:49] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: the error is the result of bigger issues
[18:49] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: I would remove cuda completely and see if that fixes the apt issues. Then report the bug
[18:49] <olabuntu2> I don't think it's related to cuda though
[18:50] <olabuntu2> seems like something in apt got corrupted
[18:50] <olabuntu2> while trying to upgrade
[18:51] <leftyfb> olabuntu2: people coming in here with cuda problems is common. Add to that it's a WSL-specific version of cuda. apt getting "corrupted" is not common
[18:59] <H3dn1ng> leftyfb: Fair enough
[19:23] <fofoni> hi! My network at work has set up a new http/https proxy, and I'm told I have to install a certificate. I put a symlink to the .crt file at /etc/ssl/certs and run sudo update-ca-certificates.
[19:24] <fofoni> Before I did this, "curl https://google.com" would fail with an "unable to get local issuer certificate" error, but now it works correctly
[19:24] <fofoni> My problem is: "pip install" still fails with the same error
[19:25] <fofoni> Does anyone know where pip could be looking for certificates so that curl works but pip doesn't?
[19:26] <leftyfb> fofoni: check the date/time on your machine
[19:27] <leftyfb> fofoni: also https://stackoverflow.com/a/29751768
[19:29] <fofoni> I'm not looking for a dirty fix like disabling ssl
[19:29] <fofoni> nor setting PyPI as a trusted host (which it already is)
[19:30] <fofoni> why would date/time be a problem for pip but not for curl?
[19:30] <fofoni> date/time is correct btw
[19:31] <leftyfb> further down on the same page: https://stackoverflow.com/a/26062583
[19:31] <fofoni> hmmm the link for the requests' ssl handling seems promising, thanks
[19:33] <wkmango> fofoni, dirty fix?  come on, one man's dirty fix is another man's masterpiece
[19:33] <wkmango> but anyway, I think pip comes with its own CA store
[19:33] <wkmango> and pypi.org is signed by that same CA
[19:33] <wkmango> "GlobalSign nv-sa"
[19:34] <wkmango> Those snooping proxies that act as CA and install everything behind a certificate are the real "dirty fix"
[19:34] <fofoni> exactly
[19:34] <wkmango> but anyway, maybe try to put your certificate here -> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/_vendor/certifi/cacert.pem
[19:34] <wkmango> back it up though
[19:34] <fofoni> kinda pissed that Im having to deal with this
[19:35] <wkmango> fofoni, I understand, I had to do the same for a work thing :)
[19:36] <jhutchins> I think you're pretty lucky your work is Linux-friendly.
[19:36] <leftyfb> fofoni: shouldn't this be something your IT department who rolled out the proxy be supporting?
[19:36] <leftyfb> sounds like they're not
[19:36] <leftyfb> if they were linux-friendly, they would be supporting this
[19:37] <wkmango> I imagine they support Web and Email only and have no clue what pip is
[19:38] <fofoni> I have to use windows actually, because the laptop is theirs, and also the vpn software is the opposite of linux friendly. I use ubuntu on WSL to maintain some level of sanity
[19:38] <leftyfb> more WSL issues
[19:38] <fofoni> the IT department supported me installing the certificate on windows, but for ubuntu/wsl I'm on my own
[19:39] <jhutchins> fofoni: Is knowing linux part of your work requirements?
[19:39] <fofoni> yep, kinda
[19:39] <fofoni> but officially, the linux part is cloud-only, I "shouldn't" be using linux on my local laptop
[19:40] <wkmango> fofoni, honestly, I would follow what leftyfb shared... just trust the hostname. You're already going through a proxy that fakes everything
[19:41] <jhutchins> fofoni: So you're the one to come to for Linux support.  Fun being lead, eh?
[19:43] <fofoni> so much fun heheh
[19:49] <fofoni> I'm going with `export REQUESTS_CA_BUNDLE=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt` in the global env to force pip (and most of the python ecosystem) to use the OS's bundle instead of certifi's vendored bundle
[19:50] <wkmango> that's a cleaner approach.. one-time setup and won't be overridden by packages
[23:29] <diamat> see you in hell Catty
[23:36] <Catty> diamat: please stop harassing me.
[23:37] <diamat> cop