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KGB-2gtk4 Simon McVittie 421631 * commented merge request !13 * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/merge_requests/13#note_42163109:01
-ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Merge 13 in gnome-team/gtk4 "Draft: [bookworm] Fix truncation in places sidebar with large text accessibility setting" [Opened]09:01
seb128goood morning desktopers09:03
GunnarHjHi seb128, jbicha! Wonder if you have any thoughts on this:11:16
seb128GunnarHj, hey, I don't11:26
jbichaGunnarHj: years ago, KDE had really incomplete support for color emoji fonts so that's why I had hesitated to include it in desktop-common earlier11:38
jbichabut I see it's now seeded by Kubuntu so yes, I think fonts-noto-color-emoji should be moved to desktop-common11:39
GunnarHjseb128: Would it make you unhappy if I dropped fonts-dejavu-core and fonts-freefont-ttf? They — or their equivalents — have been there since the early days of Ubuntu. Or are you fine with dropping them?12:20
GunnarHjjbicha: Ok, will do. What about fonts-opensymbol? fonts-noto-core includes the "Noto Sans Symbols" and "Noto Sans Symbols2" fonts.12:21
jbichaGunnarHj: do you think fonts-opensymbol is needed?12:22
GunnarHjjbicha: No, I don't think so. Would suggest that we try to drop that too and see what happens.12:23
jbichaoh it looks like LibreOffice would need it, maybe just LibreOffice .deb ? https://packages.debian.org/unstable/fonts-opensymbol12:23
GunnarHjjbicha: But then let libreoffice pull it. Not needed for the seed IMO.12:25
GunnarHj(I thought libreoffice was dropped from the default... Second thoughts?)12:26
jbichaLibreOffice is dropped from Ubuntu Desktop's default install. I don't think it's coming back for 23.1012:34
GunnarHjseb128: Let me add that I want to include fonts-dejavu-mono in the seed, so dropping fonts-dejavu-core is about serif and sans-serif fonts where the more complete fonts-noto-core replaces it.12:35
GunnarHjjbicha: Does that lead us to the conclusion that fonts-opensymbol can be dropped from the seed?12:36
jbichaGunnarHj: do you want to test if bullets work correctly in the LibreOffice snap after removing that package?12:37
jbichaare snaps able to ship their own fonts? you're a lot more familiar with how fonts interact with snaps than I am12:38
GunnarHjjbicha: Good idea. I can do that later.12:38
GunnarHjjbicha: Ah, now I understand your doubts. I'm not able to confirm that snap apps can install their own fonts. What I know is that they can use fonts on the system host.12:42
KGB-2gtk4 Jeremy Bicha 421762 * commented merge request !13 * https://deb.li/3O56V13:41
GunnarHjjbicha: I uninstalled fonts-opensymbol and had still no problem with creating a bulleted list in Libreoffice Writer (the snap). Also e.g. ∑ was properly displayed. I think that such basic symbols are provided by multiple packages, since it kept working also when I had uninstalled both fonts-noto-core and fonts-dejavu-core.13:42
jbichaGunnarHj: ok, I'm fine with dropping fonts-opensymbol. libreoffice-core (deb) depends on it already13:43
GunnarHjjbicha: Ok, good. I'll try to ping Steve later too, and see if he has any objections to the proposed changes.13:45
GunnarHjjbicha: Btw, do you have an opinion on the Atkinson Hyperlegible font? Would a MIR be worth it to include it by default for the benefit of visually impaired users?13:46
KGB-2gtk4 Simon McVittie 421768 * commented merge request !13 * https://deb.li/8She14:03
KGB-2gtk4 Jeremy Bicha 421769 * commented merge request !13 * https://deb.li/3eYLF14:08
KGB-2gtk4 Simon McVittie 421771 * commented merge request !13 * https://deb.li/3D5Xi14:19
KGB-2gtk4 Jeremy Bicha 421772 * commented merge request !13 * https://deb.li/BYG014:23
KGB-2nautilus ubuntu/master 30c2907 Jeremy Bícha debian/patches/ series ubuntu/Revert-sidebar-Build-with-cloudproviders-support.patch * Drop cloudproviders patch: no longer needed * https://deb.li/3P78c14:48
JanCI think OpenSymbol might be needed for the LO formula editor (unless some other font provides all the glyphs it uses too, e.g. something from Noto)14:59
GunnarHjJanC: fonts-noto-core, which includes Noto Sans Symbols and Noto Sans Symbols2, will be shipped by default. We assume those will provide what's needed, but we haven't tested it that deep.15:09
JanCyeah, mostly pointing at the part of LO that is most likely to be affected, as it's hidden away in the UI quite well if you don't use it  :)15:11
GunnarHjJanC: The libreoffice-core .deb package depends on fonts-opensymbol anyway. But in the case of the LO snap, and if really requires OpenSymbol, I can think it it should be added to the snap.15:14
GunnarHjJanC: OTOH, and since nobody can tell for sure, maybe keep it in the seed for now.15:20
JanCthere might be a MS Office metrics compatibility thing also; so maybe best ask upstream about that for the snap15:20
jbichaGunnarHj: since opensymbol is built by the LO source package, perhaps it is already embedded in the snap?15:21
JanCyeah, it might have a private location for it where it looks if it's not a system font15:22
GunnarHjjbicha, JanC: I had a look ("snap run --shell libreoffice") and found only DejaVu.15:23
GunnarHjSo the long "Recommends:" list in the libreoffice .deb binary seems not to be reflected in the snap. Neither the depend on fonts-opensymbol.15:25
jbicharicotz: ^15:28
ricotzGunnarHj, jbicha, I see, although add more externals binaries will increase the snap size once more :\16:00
ricotzthis can't be a reasonable solution16:00
GunnarHjricotz: Is it a reasonable solution to install an overflow of font packages on the system host for everyone only for the case that the user chooses to install the LO snap?16:03
GunnarHjricotz: Do you know which packages are really required for LO?16:03
ricotzGunnarHj, the list of fonts-* as seen here should cover the essentials - https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/tree/control?h=wip/mantic-7.6#n17016:07
ricotzGunnarHj, I guess having such an overlay would help, staging hunspell-* debs is a similar issue which other snaps would make use of too16:10
ricotzmeaning hunspell-*, hyphen-* and mythes-*16:11
GunnarHjricotz: Ok, but unless I miss something, you don't mention how a user who installs the LO snap would be prompted to install additional font packages.16:19
ricotzGunnarHj, my knowledge is limited on what is possible with snaps in that regard16:21
ricotzGunnarHj, I have no idea "how" the user should be prompted -- having well defined defaults, e.g. based on the user's locale16:24
GunnarHjricotz: Since you mentioned hunspell, hyphen and mythes I can mention that check-language-support now pulls hunspell-* for all users (given the locale) but only pulls hyphen-* and mythes-* if the LO deb is installed.16:25
ricotzthere are several special cases in the deb packaging based on the "system locale"16:25
ricotzGunnarHj, I see, the a snap is able to use those in confined mode?16:26
GunnarHjricotz: Yes, there are. /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends is part of that.16:26
GunnarHjricotz: Hmm.. Probably confined snaps won't see hyphen and mythes... As regards hunspell there is a special solution in place for the FF snap, if I remember correctly.16:28
GunnarHj* Looks like this move from LO deb to LO snap creates quite some desktop integration issues *16:29
ricotzGunnarHj, I really don't think you want to move the libreoffice to snap16:30
ricotzeven the temp folder or read from /usr/* issues are quite severe16:30
ricotzand running a snap in non-confined mode has no benefits16:31
ricotzGunnarHj, could you elaborate the intention to move "libreoffice to snap" plan?16:31
ricotzit is quite unfortunate that this didn't reach my attention16:32
GunnarHjricotz: No-no, don't ask me about that. The only thing I know is that the LO deb will not be installed by default in 23.10. And that a LO snap is present. The rest is my personal speculation. Please as the desktop team about the actual plans.16:35
ricotzGunnarHj, I see, sorry16:36
ricotzI tried the follow that discourse topic, and dropping essential applications from the image is a huge mistake imho16:37
GunnarHjricotz: But the conclusion of this, I suppose, is that if you don't want to load the LO snap with a bunch of font packages, we probably need to figure out a good way to prompt the user to install them if they install the LO snap.16:38
GunnarHjricotz: I have also expressed my hesitation about dropping all those apps.16:40
ricotzGunnarHj, imho such snap "dependencies" should be installed automatically16:40
ricotzor having a more layered hierarchy of snaps to provide essential core libraries16:41
ricotze.g. having to rebuild libreoffice snap when openssl gets a security update is quite wasteful16:42
ricotzthere is for sure room to improve libreoffice's snapcraft.yaml16:44
ricotzGunnarHj, is there a complete manual for syntax of snapcraft.yaml?16:46
GunnarHjricotz: I have absolutely no idea. I'm more or less a snap illiterate. :/16:49
ricotzGunnarHj, ah ok ;)16:50
GunnarHjricotz: And I agree on the desirable to install such dependencies automatically. Don't know if the approach to do so has been invented yet.16:51
GunnarHjjbicha: One conclusion of this conversation, as I see it, is that it's ok to go on with the proposed changes in the seed. As regards the LO snap aspects, there is a need to look into a proper desktop integration regardless. Do you agree?16:59
KGB-0gnome-remote-desktop signed tags 10bcc40 Jeremy Bicha upstream/45_beta * Upstream version 45~beta * https://deb.li/iQkt219:29
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 046cf5a Jeremy Bicha * pushed 97 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/nKME19:29
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest d1b2ad8 Pascal Nowack src/ grd-session-rdp.c grd-session-rdp.h * session-rdp: Add API to notify a new frame * https://deb.li/iUGRe19:29
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 63030b9 Pascal Nowack src/ (5 files) * rdp: Simplify encode handling * https://deb.li/lhw719:29
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 07d81cd Pascal Nowack src/grd-rdp-pipewire-stream.c * rdp-pipewire-stream: Fix race condition when stream is destroyed * https://deb.li/3EGYd19:30
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 97e4171 Pascal Nowack src/grd-session-rdp.c * session-rdp: Fix incomplete warning message * https://deb.li/5drF19:30
KGB-2gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest d7fcf69 Pascal Nowack src/grd-rdp-monitor-config.c * rdp-monitor-config: Remove superfluous size sanitization * https://deb.li/3XNT119:30
JanCif you want to make the minimal installs smaller you should do something about the ~1 GiB of firmwares that are included... LibreOffice is "small" compared to that...   ;)20:31

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