slyoncpaelzer: mentioned he might still be busy with other meetings. So I can take over.14:31
slyon#startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status14:31
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slyonPing for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )14:31
slyon#topic current component mismatches14:31
slyonMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams14:31
slyon#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg14:31
slyon#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg14:31
sarnoldgood morning14:32
slyonhplip -> python-reportlab is new (due to the non snappy CUPS stack).14:32
slyonI left some comments in bug #2028054 (cc seb128)14:32
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2028054 in python-rlpycairo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202805414:32
seb128slyon, I will review14:33
slyonwrt. libmail-dmarc-perl: I'd like to recommend the server team to consider cutting the tree a bit (if possible), by dropping Recommends to Suggests, e.g. for libmoose-perl or libdbix-simple-perl Recommends. That should avoid ~20 MIRs14:33
slyonnvme-stas -> dasbus, both are now ready for promotion14:34
sarnoldI think they've been doing that along the way, heh14:34
slyonok, that's good!14:34
slyonI don't see anything new besides this14:34
sarnoldme neither, but it's hard to be sure with trees that large, heh14:34
slyon#topic New MIRs14:35
slyonMission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing14:35
slyon#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:35
slyonOnly one. Do we have any volunteers?14:35
slyonbug #202805414:35
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2028054 in python-rlpycairo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202805414:35
slyonsorry, wrong paste14:35
slyonbug #203181414:35
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031814 in pappl-retrofit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] pappl-retrofit" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203181414:35
slyonOtherwise, I can take that one for next week.14:36
seb128I'm unclear if that's still needed this cycle since we revert the cups snap transition14:36
seb128still we will need it at some point so would be nice to get it reviewed14:36
seb128but probably as a low priority one14:37
slyonOK, thanks. I'll reach out to Till, to clarify the details14:37
* slyon assigned himself14:37
slyon#topic Incomplete bugs / questions14:37
slyonMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams14:37
slyon#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:37
slyonA bunch of updates since 2023-08-2214:38
slyonbug #2023531 is actively being worked on by dviererbe IIRC14:38
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2023531 in dotnet6 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dotnet6" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202353114:38
slyonregarding the SRU exception TODO14:39
slyonbug #203048214:39
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203048214:39
sarnoldslyon: re 2030880  "This does need a security review, so I'll assign ubuntu-security" -- but it was assigned back to  Miriam14:39
slyonsarnold: right. there are 3 required TODOs, so I decided to first pass it on to Miriam. Once resolved it can go to security. Or feel free to already put it into the security pipeline right now.14:40
sarnoldaha, okay, thanks14:40
eslermis this package required in mantic?14:41
eslermif so, we could add it to the queue now14:41
slyonSimilar situation for s390-tools: It's not yet fully ready for MIR (re-)review but I was told that all the bits relevant for security are already there. And I'd like to ask s390-tools (especially the new vendored rust dependencies) to be put into the security pipeline already.14:41
slyoneslerm: Yes, I think so. For both, Miriam's -perl and s390-tools14:42
eslermcan do14:42
slyon(cc schopin ^)14:42
slyonbug #2031491 this is also for security, while we work out a single TODO14:43
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2031491 in libemail-simple-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libemail-simple-perl ( libemail-mime-perl dependency as libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203149114:43
slyonbug #2030962 is back to Miriam14:44
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030962 in libemail-mime-contenttype-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libemail-mime-contenttype-perl (libemail-mime-perl dependency as libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203096214:44
slyonwe talked about bug #2030880 already14:44
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030880 in libemail-mime-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libemail-mime-perl (libmail-dmarc-perl dependency)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203088014:44
slyonwe talked about bug #2028054 already (Desktop team to look into it)14:45
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2028054 in python-rlpycairo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202805414:45
slyonAnd that's the list.14:45
slyon#topic Process/Documentation improvements14:45
didrocksnot that terrible :)14:45
slyonMission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues14:45
slyon#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls14:45
slyon#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues14:45
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 37 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Greet new contributers on first issue/pr" [Open]14:46
slyondviererbe: I think this should be mostly ready, right?14:46
slyonthanks for working on the date/time formatting14:47
slyondo we have any objections?14:47
dviererbeYes the documentation team suggested using 16:30+01:00, but i strongly disagree14:47
dviererbethere was also a suggestion of using 15:30 UTC14:48
slyonI guess I'll leave merging to cpaelzer, maybe he has some time after the meeting.14:48
sarnoldexcept our meeting isn't scheduled with UTC14:48
slyonSo other MIR people have some time to put their ACK/NACK onto the PR14:48
sarnoldif we change that for some reason, we can adapt this easily enough14:48
dviererbeI linked the MM thread in the pull request14:48
slyonsarnold: I think we're now using a CET format14:48
slyonwhich is the timezone that our meeting is scheduled in14:48
dviererbeI am also not a fan of their suggestion14:49
slyonWe're also still waiting for more ACK/NACK on this PR: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/3614:49
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 36 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Add an ask about isolation features" [Open]14:49
slyonPlease everybody put your opinions on GitHub so we can get them merged (or rejected)14:50
didrocksI will catch up on that one14:50
slyon#topic MIR related Security Review Queue14:50
slyonMission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?14:50
slyonSome clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.14:50
slyon#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:50
slyon#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:50
slyonInternal link14:50
slyon#link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/59414:50
eslermwe assigned new MIRs from last week14:51
seb128we have a problem from the desktop side14:51
eslermdasbus was completed today14:52
seb128https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031406 is blocking the new GNOME in mantic-proposed14:52
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2031406 in mutter (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libei" [Undecided, New]14:52
eslermfor libei, I requested review by desktop freeze, but that is close14:52
seb128GNOME isn't great in telling distributors in advance about new dependency so it came late14:52
seb128any way we would get a preempt ack to promote it before review?14:53
slyonseb128: libei also still lacking some autopkgtests from the MIR review.14:53
seb128slyon, well, that's easy to resolve, I plan to work on that tomorrow14:54
seb128I'm more concerned about the security review delays14:54
slyonACK. sounds good! After that I'd be good from the MIR side, and I'd leave a decision about preempt security ACK to sarnold14:54
sarnoldone week?14:54
seb128that makes us catch beta still14:55
sarnoldI'm uneasy with the preemptive acks before review, in practice that tends to lead to packages that are never reviewed at all14:55
seb128I don't feel like we have much of a choice, unless we throw away the new GNOME version14:55
seb128but sure14:55
slyonOk.. so how do we find consensus on that. Did we have any similar precedence in the past?14:57
seb128well sarnold said one week14:58
seb128so it seems we just see if we get the security review by the next meeting?14:58
seb128and re-discuss it not?14:58
sarnoldwell, no, I was surprised you were frustrated with security delays when we were assigned this around one week ago14:58
seb128I'm not frustrated by the delay, sorry if it came along like that14:59
sarnoldah, thanks. sorry for my part, too :)14:59
seb128I started by apologizing, we got screwed by GNOME14:59
sarnoldyes :(14:59
seb128we have no visibility on things like that14:59
slyonwe had a turnaround of about one week for most recent MIRs, to get into the security queues, which is very good.14:59
seb128we are just in between a rock and an hard place now14:59
sarnoldI've left a note for alex in the ticket14:59
seb128the depends is not easy to avoid/revert15:00
slyonOk. I guess security is aware of the high priority and they'll try to do their very best. We can check the status next week and still decide about preemtiv promotion, if needed.15:00
slyonis that fine for everybody?15:00
didrocksand meanwhile, desktop add the autopkgtest15:01
slyon#topic Any other business?15:01
didrocksnothing for me15:02
slyonwe're at the top of the hour. So keeping it short if possible.15:02
sarnoldnone here15:02
slyonalright, thank you all!15:02
seb128not from me, and sorry again for the late request15:03
meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:03:09 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-08-29-14.31.moin.txt15:03
didrocksthanks slyon, all!15:03
dviererbeThanks all!15:03
eslermthanks all o/15:03
sarnoldthanks slyon, seb128, all :)15:03
cpaelzerstill not out of meetings, I'll read the backlog later15:07
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