 Have things like libreoffice draw being included been decided?
[00:47] <wxl> what graphics utility is added is not decided but we can't get rid of draw without getting rid of impress and i don't think anyone wants to do that
 Todays ISO (30.08.23) running the installer from desktop requires password - no problem using install system from menu..
 That doesn't seem correct
 1 st test was in a Vm ..running barebone now . (re @kc2bez: That doesn't seem correct)
 again need passport to run the installer ..will file bug report
 Thanks @Leokolb
 Bug filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2033547
[17:51] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2033547 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Unable to run Install Lubuntu from desktop" [Undecided, New]
 FYI, same thing on Kubuntu ISO (re @Leokolb: Todays ISO (30.08.23) running the installer from desktop requires password - no problem using install system from menu..whoops ..install crashed - willl take a better look on another machine)
 with ubiquity from the desktop icon
 Thanks @RikMills also Budgie yesterday,, (re @RikMills: FYI, same thing on Kubuntu ISO)
[19:53] <wxl> @RikMills is there a bug for Kubuntu?
 No, as I literally just checked on our ISO (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <wxl> @RikMills is there a bug for Kubuntu?)
 The bug suggestion of installing polkitd-pkla does seem to resolve it
 Though sounds like things should be fixed to not need that
 This is again on kubuntu
[20:01] <wxl> what "things" need fixing to not need that?
 "This is likely due to the new polkitd dropping support for the old pkla (polkit local authority) files"
[20:02] <wxl> oh harumph
 That sounds like something should be fixed to work with newer polkit
 but I am not sure what that would require
 perhaps the workaround for this release would be fine
 /me shrugs
[20:06] <wxl> i suspect ubuntu has already implemented this change
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> It's a sad state of affairs that the desktop team is doing stuff but not passing along knowledge to the rest of us beyond what they've told us in the flavor sync meetings, which is the only reason I knew about pollkitd-pkla and why I notated the bug report as such. 
[21:33] <Eickmeyer> By that, I mean how to update said polkit authority files.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> It's part of the reason I wrote that email in ubuntu-devel@ but have yet to receive a meaningful reply.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> i.e. communication breakdown.
[21:40] <wxl> it sounds to me like we need to make sure to attend or at least review the flavor sync meetings if this is the way things are going to go
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> To be fair, there are meeting minutes, and we were told there would be a package, but were never told the package name. I only found out the hard way myself.
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> Either way, updating to new local authority files is the end solution, but knowing how to do that is what isn't being passed-along.
[21:49] <wxl> oi. so we don't all go chasing this, who plans on communicating where to get this knowledge?
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Well, I'd recommend piggybacking on my existing thread in ubuntu-devel@.
[21:50] <wxl> ok i can do this, but not until later today. where's the relevant meeting minutes? on discourse i presume?
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-August/042746.html
[21:51] <Eickmeyer> Yes, the meeting minutes are on Discourse somewhere.
[21:54] <Eickmeyer> wxl: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-sync-meeting-notes-may-8-2023/35642
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> They didn't exactly follow-up or follow through.
[21:55] <wxl> i'll ping when i'm ready to start working on it, but if waiting a few hours is too much, feel free to take over
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> Nah, they're tired of hearing me whine and moan by now.
[21:57] <wxl> just to put it here: New PolicyKit version using JavaScript rules (powered by duktape)
[21:57] <wxl> Sean Davis ( @bluesabre ) asked if this requires config file or not. Ken VanDine ( @kenvandine ) and Jeremy Bicha ( @jbicha ) mentioned that there will be a migration plan, but worth to track this with the Desktop team.
[21:57] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Ken and Jeremy never followed through.
[21:58] <wxl> we'll get some answers
[21:58] <wxl> or rather i'll make sure we do :)
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> :) 👍