[08:35] <juliank> I forgot
[08:35] <juliank> @pilot in
[09:26] <juliank> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[11:07] <juliank> @pilot out
[15:50] <vorlon> juliank: hmm I just noticed you sponsored the rsyslog merge; I guess my comments about not adding sleeps in the autopkgtest got lost when the MPs were reset?
[15:51] <juliank> vorlon: the MPs were deleted, but xypron told me that you didn't like it, but I didn't see that as a priority
[15:51] <vorlon> hmm
[15:51] <vorlon> adding 'sleep' commands is always a bad hack
[15:51] <xypron> vorlon: even the tests that are part of rsyslog upstream have sleep
[15:52] <juliank> vorlon: sure it would be nice to fix properly, and it needed a retry anyhow to build but it's better than not having the logcheck fix
[15:52] <vorlon> that just tells me upstream also has a bad test philosophy ;)
[15:52] <xypron> They have a comment about slow test machines.
[15:53] <xypron> I guess they made a bad experience like I did.
[15:53] <juliank> my podman is super slow for some reason now, very weird, but everything will time out in that :D
[15:53] <xypron> Though my machine is not slow. Ryzen 5950
[15:53] <vorlon> right but the systemd unit stop command should be synchronous and the fact that it's not is a bug, this should at least be documented as a bug report instead of simply hacked around
[15:55] <xypron> What is the guarantee of systemd stop: The process with the PID is stopped. I did not analyze which output mechanism is used to write to file.
[15:56] <vorlon> it should be that all processes associated with the unit are stopped, not just the leader process
[15:56] <xypron> E.g. does the output queue run in the same process?
[20:42] <xmenschool> hi.. have seen some pkgs of version 5.4-1ubuntuX.Y what are X and Y in the version?
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> xmenschool: X and Y are fairly arbitrary, but usually X is what the package was when the Ubuntu release was released and Y is an incremental stable release update.
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> !sru
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> X is basically an upload number.