| bdrung | \o | 15:00 |
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| dviererbe | o/ | 15:00 |
| liushuyu | o/ | 15:01 |
| dbungert | o/ | 15:01 |
| zhsj | o/ | 15:02 |
| mateus-morais | o/ | 15:02 |
| ogayot- | o/ | 15:02 |
| juliank | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 15:02 |
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| juliank | #topic Lightning rounds | 15:02 |
| juliank | #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-31-aug-2023/ | 15:03 |
| juliank | I realize I didn't actually write anything yet, /o\ | 15:03 |
| mclemenceau_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| vorlon | 'mermaid' what a weird name for a daemon | 15:05 |
| xypron | o/ | 15:05 |
| juliank | o | 15:16 |
| juliank | I got a bit distracted sorry | 15:16 |
| juliank | #topic Release incoming bugs | 15:16 |
| juliank | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:16 |
| juliank | 5 bugs! | 15:16 |
| juliank | bug 2033129 | 15:17 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033129 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "hplip is in universe and was dropped from Recommends" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033129 | 15:17 | |
| juliank | hplip was dropped to universe as part of cups snap change | 15:18 |
| juliank | I'm not sure what should be done here | 15:18 |
| juliank | should we leave that with desktop? but they asked for help | 15:19 |
| vorlon | this was originally a foundations MIR | 15:19 |
| vorlon | I was going to ask slyon but I think he's not around at the moment | 15:19 |
| vorlon | LP: #2028054 | 15:20 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2028054 in python-rlpycairo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028054 | 15:20 | |
| juliank | I think we're not sure we need that package in main anymore? | 15:20 |
| juliank | Should we mark it Incomplete and ask for more information? | 15:21 |
| vorlon | the comment history in that bug is misleading and appears to be based on an analysis when the plan was to demote this in favor of the snap stack | 15:21 |
| vorlon | we need someone to actually drive this MIR | 15:21 |
| juliank | OK, I don't know what the current plan is wrt cups | 15:21 |
| vorlon | there is no GUI for it - we are shipping the debs for mantic | 15:21 |
| vorlon | that's why this is back in component-mismatches | 15:22 |
| vorlon | I had to force-demote hplip because of the universe dep causing image build failures | 15:22 |
| vorlon | this needs to be re-repromoted before beta, or users are going to get wrong installs at beta time because hplip is a recommends | 15:22 |
| juliank | Why does it need an MIR process if it was in main and wrongly demoted? | 15:22 |
| vorlon | (unsatisfied recommends of ubuntu-desktop on the image -> nothing will pull it in later when hplip is promoted to main) | 15:23 |
| vorlon | juliank: *hplip* was in main. python-rlpycairo was a new dep of python-reportlab, this is why this MIR was opened | 15:23 |
| juliank | oh | 15:23 |
| vorlon | when hplip was demoted, python-reportlab was also demoted, so the new version snuck into the release pocket | 15:23 |
| juliank | Now I understand | 15:23 |
| vorlon | I can demote it to proposed, but there are a bunch of other packages that also depend on new python-reportlab so it's a fairly complicated surgery | 15:24 |
| vorlon | or I can pre-promote the packages to main while the MIR is still open | 15:24 |
| vorlon | but any which way, the MIR needs followed through on | 15:24 |
| juliank | My preference would be to demote to python-reportlab depends to suggests and making sure the eroror handling is reasonable | 15:25 |
| vorlon | it's not | 15:25 |
| vorlon | I already talked to Till about this | 15:25 |
| juliank | anyhow how to proceed? | 15:25 |
| vorlon | (in private messages, so of course none of it is in the bug log) | 15:26 |
| juliank | leave the bug | 15:26 |
| juliank | sigh | 15:26 |
| juliank | leave the bug as is? | 15:26 |
| vorlon | yes, someone needs to drive the MIR :) | 15:26 |
| vorlon | and it's a foundations-owned package | 15:26 |
| vorlon | if I demote packages to -proposed, it's still an open MIR | 15:27 |
| vorlon | if I pre-promote packages to main before the MIR is done, it's still an open MIR | 15:27 |
| juliank | We are going a bit in circles here | 15:27 |
| vorlon | so foundations needs to pick this MIR up and drive it to completion (even if "completion" means "find a way to drop the dep") | 15:27 |
| vorlon | I don't see why it's a circle, we've identified work that needs to happen and we should just commit to doing it | 15:28 |
| vorlon | and assign it, and not discuss it further in a plenary meeting :) | 15:28 |
| juliank | So we should remove the tag, mark it invalid, and mark the mir as foundations-todo | 15:28 |
| vorlon | sounds good | 15:29 |
| juliank | bug 2030788 | 15:30 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030788 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Usability: 'localectl set-x11-keymap' doesn't work in mantic" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030788 | 15:30 | |
| juliank | enr0n is already assigned | 15:30 |
| juliank | but it's still incoming, not todo | 15:30 |
| enr0n | juliank: vorlon tagged it though, I think I had assigned it to myself to keep track of it | 15:31 |
| juliank | is there anything to do right now? | 15:31 |
| juliank | I think the bug is fixed in cloud-init? | 15:31 |
| juliank | Certainly dropping the tag seems right | 15:31 |
| waveform | correct, cloud-init is now fixed | 15:31 |
| adrien | ah, that seems to explain my layout issues :P | 15:31 |
| juliank | I don't think this is foundations-todo right now | 15:32 |
| juliank | vorlon: do you have another opinion? | 15:33 |
| vorlon | if cloud-init has succeeded in working around it, then I'm ok with us working around it; the need here was to support cloud-init | 15:33 |
| juliank | CPC wants to talk further if they think they need more | 15:33 |
| juliank | ok | 15:33 |
| juliank | let's keep it open though in case | 15:33 |
| juliank | because they want to to talk about it more and quoted "'fix'" :D | 15:34 |
| vorlon | (I am looking askance at Debian for having mangled the systemd interface in this way, but that doesn't per se make it a priority for us) | 15:34 |
| juliank | bug 2033112 | 15:34 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033112 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "/run in squashfs is not empty" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033112 | 15:34 | |
| juliank | let's just tag that | 15:34 |
| juliank | bug 2017401 - we had our meeting but didn't update the bug with the summary | 15:35 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2017401 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "Unexpected / unwanted unattended-upgrades behaviour after kernel upgrade when Livepatch enabled" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017401 | 15:35 | |
| juliank | vorlon: do you have meeting notes or a better memory than me and can update the bug with the outcomes? | 15:36 |
| vorlon | right - conclusion was that we're deferring this for now in favor of improved information from canonical-livepatch in the nn cycle | 15:36 |
| vorlon | I'll update the bug | 15:36 |
| juliank | and then tag it incoming-nn I guess | 15:36 |
| juliank | bug 2029148 | 15:36 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2029148 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "cups snap - can't add printer" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2029148 | 15:37 | |
| juliank | the cups snap is still in main though, this is still fix released | 15:37 |
| juliank | and we have enough bugs to track the MIR | 15:37 |
| juliank | let's mark it back as Fix Released | 15:37 |
| vorlon | what do you mean, the snap is in main :) | 15:38 |
| juliank | The cups deb | 15:38 |
| vorlon | ok | 15:38 |
| juliank | https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty | 15:39 |
| juliank | #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 15:39 |
| juliank | bug 1990798 | 15:39 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798 | 15:39 | |
| juliank | pro team is engaging with that and it's incomplete right now, so let's give a bit more time I guess | 15:40 |
| juliank | https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs only has the same livepatch issue we discussed already | 15:41 |
| juliank | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 15:41 |
| juliank | #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 15:41 |
| juliank | vorlon: | 15:41 |
| juliank | Can we remove the time-daemon package again? | 15:41 |
| vorlon | yes | 15:41 |
| vorlon | has the germinate change landed? :) | 15:42 |
| juliank | Not yet, cjwatson hasn't gotten around to reviewing it yet | 15:42 |
| juliank | But we also don't need to wait for the server side as the syntax is ignored by older germinate | 15:42 |
| juliank | We could just update the deb | 15:42 |
| juliank | Either way, the package being present is confusing people as I've seen earlier today | 15:43 |
| vorlon | juliank: last week you had forgotten to start working on tzdata, is it on your radar now? | 15:43 |
| juliank | sadly not | 15:43 |
| bdrung | I'll take care of dask | 15:43 |
| juliank | It eluded the pulse | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | I'm reviewing the germinate change at the moment, amid the other N things | 15:44 |
| bdrung | then only gnustep-base remains blocking tzdata | 15:44 |
| cjwatson | vorlon: you currently have a Needs Fixing vote on that germinate MP - could you look at it again? | 15:44 |
| vorlon | juliank: so will you put it in the pulse? these are supposed to be committed on a weekly basis | 15:44 |
| juliank | when I find it | 15:44 |
| vorlon | cjwatson: I was just asking for a test case, which I'm not going to second-guess - marked approved now | 15:45 |
| juliank | I think the problem is its not in the pulse view because it's not triaged | 15:45 |
| juliank | Hmm it is triaged, but it simply doesn't pop up in JIRA backlog view | 15:45 |
| vorlon | ubiquity - I said this was back with mwhudson but he's quite busy with work on newer installers | 15:45 |
| vorlon | bdrung: any chance you want to follow up on ubiquity? | 15:45 |
| cjwatson | vorlon: yeah, that's fine, I just didn't want to merge it over your head | 15:46 |
| bdrung | vorlon, it's on my todo list for next week (spending all the time this week for +1) | 15:46 |
| vorlon | bdrung: ok thanks | 15:46 |
| vorlon | s390-tools is blocked on an MIR which is tagged foundations-todo but not assigned; LP: #2030482. Do we need to find an owner for this? | 15:47 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030482 | 15:47 | |
| schopin | s390-tools is blocked by an MIR. | 15:47 |
| schopin | vorlon: I'm the owner :) | 15:47 |
| vorlon | schopin: should I assign the bug to you? | 15:47 |
| schopin | I'm just waiting on some details from fheimes. | 15:47 |
| schopin | Sure. | 15:47 |
| vorlon | and new from last week is tpm2-tss | 15:48 |
| * vorlon shakes the dice bag | 15:48 | |
| vorlon | liushuyu: can you take this? | 15:48 |
| liushuyu | vorlon: okay | 15:48 |
| vorlon | and that's all for now | 15:49 |
| cjwatson | juliank: germinate change merged and uploaded to unstable. feel free to sync it into mantic once Debian publishing and the LP import catch up. I also updated ubuntu-archive@ubuntu-archive-toolbox.internal's local copy of it for good measure. | 15:49 |
| juliank | cjwatson: thanks! | 15:49 |
| vorlon | juliank: back to you | 15:51 |
| juliank | #topic AOB | 15:52 |
| schopin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2029479 was tagged by fheimes but since it's on subiquity it never made it into the report. | 15:52 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2029479 in Ubuntu on IBM z Systems "mantic daily (on s390x) does not reboot (post-install) from correct disk" [Undecided, New] | 15:52 | |
| dbungert | this one is strange, there is a claim that the chirep tool is not being used correctly but it hasn't changed. at any rate we need to investigate this subiquity side, yes. | 15:54 |
| juliank | tagging it foundations-todo | 15:54 |
| dbungert | thanks | 15:54 |
| juliank | with a typo lol | 15:54 |
| juliank | more aob? | 15:56 |
| mclemenceau_ | Monday is public holiday in the US | 15:56 |
| vorlon | I'm out for the Monday holiday, and then again Wed/Thu next week for a medical thing, so not here for the next meeting | 15:57 |
| juliank | :( | 15:57 |
| schopin | I'm out on a short 1-week vacation starting tonight :) | 15:58 |
| juliank | I think that wraps up the IRC meeting! Thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| juliank | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:59:07 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-08-31-15.02.moin.txt | 15:59 |
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