[15:00] <bdrung> \o
[15:00] <dviererbe> o/
[15:01] <liushuyu> o/
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[15:02] <mateus-morais> o/
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[15:02] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:02] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:03] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-31-aug-2023/
[15:03] <juliank> I realize I didn't actually write anything yet, /o\
[15:03] <mclemenceau_> o/
[15:05] <vorlon> 'mermaid' what a weird name for a daemon
[15:05] <xypron> o/
[15:16] <juliank> o
[15:16] <juliank> I got a bit distracted sorry
[15:16] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:16] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:16] <juliank> 5 bugs!
[15:17] <juliank> bug 2033129
[15:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033129 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "hplip is in universe and was dropped from Recommends" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033129
[15:18] <juliank> hplip was dropped to universe as part of cups snap change
[15:18] <juliank> I'm not sure what should be done here
[15:19] <juliank> should we leave that with desktop? but they asked for help
[15:19] <vorlon> this was originally a foundations MIR
[15:19] <vorlon> I was going to ask slyon but I think he's not around at the moment
[15:20] <vorlon> LP: #2028054
[15:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2028054 in python-rlpycairo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028054
[15:20] <juliank> I think we're not sure we need that package in main anymore?
[15:21] <juliank> Should we mark it Incomplete and ask for more information?
[15:21] <vorlon> the comment history in that bug is misleading and appears to be based on an analysis when the plan was to demote this in favor of the snap stack
[15:21] <vorlon> we need someone to actually drive this MIR
[15:21] <juliank> OK, I don't know what the current plan is wrt cups
[15:21] <vorlon> there is no GUI for it - we are shipping the debs for mantic
[15:22] <vorlon> that's why this is back in component-mismatches
[15:22] <vorlon> I had to force-demote hplip because of the universe dep causing image build failures
[15:22] <vorlon> this needs to be re-repromoted before beta, or users are going to get wrong installs at beta time because hplip is a recommends
[15:22] <juliank> Why does it need an MIR process if it was in main and wrongly demoted?
[15:23] <vorlon> (unsatisfied recommends of ubuntu-desktop on the image -> nothing will pull it in later when hplip is promoted to main)
[15:23] <vorlon> juliank: *hplip* was in main.  python-rlpycairo was a new dep of python-reportlab, this is why this MIR was opened
[15:23] <juliank> oh
[15:23] <vorlon> when hplip was demoted, python-reportlab was also demoted, so the new version snuck into the release pocket
[15:23] <juliank> Now I understand
[15:24] <vorlon> I can demote it to proposed, but there are a bunch of other packages that also depend on new python-reportlab so it's a fairly complicated surgery
[15:24] <vorlon> or I can pre-promote the packages to main while the MIR is still open
[15:24] <vorlon> but any which way, the MIR needs followed through on
[15:25] <juliank> My preference would be to demote to python-reportlab depends to suggests and making sure the eroror handling is reasonable
[15:25] <vorlon> it's not
[15:25] <vorlon> I already talked to Till about this
[15:25] <juliank> anyhow how to proceed?
[15:26] <vorlon> (in private messages, so of course none of it is in the bug log)
[15:26] <juliank> leave the bug
[15:26] <juliank> sigh
[15:26] <juliank> leave the bug as is?
[15:26] <vorlon> yes, someone needs to drive the MIR :)
[15:26] <vorlon> and it's a foundations-owned package
[15:27] <vorlon> if I demote packages to -proposed, it's still an open MIR
[15:27] <vorlon> if I pre-promote packages to main before the MIR is done, it's still an open MIR
[15:27] <juliank> We are going a bit in circles here
[15:27] <vorlon> so foundations needs to pick this MIR up and drive it to completion (even if "completion" means "find a way to drop the dep")
[15:28] <vorlon> I don't see why it's a circle, we've identified work that needs to happen and we should just commit to doing it
[15:28] <vorlon> and assign it, and not discuss it further in a plenary meeting :)
[15:28] <juliank> So we should remove the tag, mark it invalid, and mark the mir as foundations-todo
[15:29] <vorlon> sounds good
[15:30] <juliank> bug 2030788
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2030788 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Usability: 'localectl set-x11-keymap' doesn't work in mantic" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030788
[15:30] <juliank> enr0n is already assigned
[15:30] <juliank> but it's still incoming, not todo
[15:31] <enr0n> juliank: vorlon tagged it though, I think I had assigned it to myself to keep track of it
[15:31] <juliank> is there anything to do right now?
[15:31] <juliank> I think the bug is fixed in cloud-init?
[15:31] <juliank> Certainly dropping the tag seems right
[15:31] <waveform> correct, cloud-init is now fixed
[15:31] <adrien> ah, that seems to explain my layout issues :P
[15:32] <juliank> I don't think this is foundations-todo right now
[15:33] <juliank> vorlon: do you have another opinion?
[15:33] <vorlon> if cloud-init has succeeded in working around it, then I'm ok with us working around it; the need here was to support cloud-init
[15:33] <juliank> CPC wants to talk further if they think they need more
[15:33] <juliank> ok
[15:33] <juliank> let's keep it open though in case
[15:34] <juliank> because they want to to talk about it more and quoted "'fix'" :D
[15:34] <vorlon> (I am looking askance at Debian for having mangled the systemd interface in this way, but that doesn't per se make it a priority for us)
[15:34] <juliank> bug 2033112
[15:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033112 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "/run in squashfs is not empty" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033112
[15:34] <juliank> let's just tag that
[15:35] <juliank> bug 2017401 - we had our meeting but didn't update the bug with the summary
[15:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2017401 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "Unexpected / unwanted unattended-upgrades behaviour after kernel upgrade when Livepatch enabled" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2017401
[15:36] <juliank> vorlon: do you have meeting notes or a better memory than me and can update the bug with the outcomes?
[15:36] <vorlon> right - conclusion was that we're deferring this for now in favor of improved information from canonical-livepatch in the nn cycle
[15:36] <vorlon> I'll update the bug
[15:36] <juliank> and then tag it incoming-nn I guess
[15:36] <juliank> bug 2029148
[15:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2029148 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "cups snap - can't add printer" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2029148
[15:37] <juliank> the cups snap is still in main though, this is still fix released
[15:37] <juliank> and we have enough bugs to track the MIR
[15:37] <juliank> let's mark it back as Fix Released
[15:38] <vorlon> what do you mean, the snap is in main :)
[15:38] <juliank> The cups deb
[15:38] <vorlon> ok
[15:39] <juliank> https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty
[15:39] <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:39] <juliank> bug 1990798
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798
[15:40] <juliank> pro team is engaging with that and it's incomplete right now, so let's give a bit more time I guess
[15:41] <juliank> https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs only has the same livepatch issue we discussed already
[15:41] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:41] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:41] <juliank> vorlon:
[15:41] <juliank> Can we remove the time-daemon package again?
[15:41] <vorlon> yes
[15:42] <vorlon> has the germinate change landed? :)
[15:42] <juliank> Not yet, cjwatson hasn't gotten around to reviewing it yet
[15:42] <juliank> But we also don't need to wait for the server side as the syntax is ignored by older germinate
[15:42] <juliank> We could just update the deb
[15:43] <juliank> Either way, the package being present is confusing people as I've seen earlier today
[15:43] <vorlon> juliank: last week you had forgotten to start working on tzdata, is it on your radar now?
[15:43] <juliank> sadly not
[15:43] <bdrung> I'll take care of dask
[15:43] <juliank> It eluded the pulse
[15:44] <cjwatson> I'm reviewing the germinate change at the moment, amid the other N things
[15:44] <bdrung> then only gnustep-base remains blocking tzdata
[15:44] <cjwatson> vorlon: you currently have a Needs Fixing vote on that germinate MP - could you look at it again?
[15:44] <vorlon> juliank: so will you put it in the pulse?  these are supposed to be committed on a weekly basis
[15:44] <juliank> when I find it
[15:45] <vorlon> cjwatson: I was just asking for a test case, which I'm not going to second-guess - marked approved now
[15:45] <juliank> I think the problem is its not in the pulse view because it's not triaged
[15:45] <juliank> Hmm it is triaged, but it simply doesn't pop up in JIRA backlog view
[15:45] <vorlon> ubiquity - I said this was back with mwhudson but he's quite busy with work on newer installers
[15:45] <vorlon> bdrung: any chance you want to follow up on ubiquity?
[15:46] <cjwatson> vorlon: yeah, that's fine, I just didn't want to merge it over your head
[15:46] <bdrung> vorlon, it's on my todo list for next week (spending all the time this week for +1)
[15:46] <vorlon> bdrung: ok thanks
[15:47] <vorlon> s390-tools is blocked on an MIR which is tagged foundations-todo but not assigned; LP: #2030482.  Do we need to find an owner for this?
[15:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030482
[15:47] <schopin> s390-tools is blocked by an MIR.
[15:47] <schopin> vorlon: I'm the owner :)
[15:47] <vorlon> schopin: should I assign the bug to you?
[15:47] <schopin> I'm just waiting on some details from fheimes.
[15:47] <schopin> Sure.
[15:48] <vorlon> and new from last week is tpm2-tss
[15:48]  * vorlon shakes the dice bag
[15:48] <vorlon> liushuyu: can you take this?
[15:48] <liushuyu> vorlon: okay
[15:49] <vorlon> and that's all for now
[15:49] <cjwatson> juliank: germinate change merged and uploaded to unstable.  feel free to sync it into mantic once Debian publishing and the LP import catch up.  I also updated ubuntu-archive@ubuntu-archive-toolbox.internal's local copy of it for good measure.
[15:49] <juliank> cjwatson: thanks!
[15:51] <vorlon> juliank: back to you
[15:52] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:52] <schopin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2029479 was tagged by fheimes but since it's on subiquity it never made it into the report.
[15:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2029479 in Ubuntu on IBM z Systems "mantic daily (on s390x) does not reboot (post-install) from correct disk" [Undecided, New]
[15:54] <dbungert> this one is strange, there is a claim that the chirep tool is not being used correctly but it hasn't changed.  at any rate we need to investigate this subiquity side, yes.
[15:54] <juliank> tagging it foundations-todo
[15:54] <dbungert> thanks
[15:54] <juliank> with a typo lol
[15:56] <juliank> more aob?
[15:56] <mclemenceau_> Monday is public holiday in the US
[15:57] <vorlon> I'm out for the Monday holiday, and then again Wed/Thu next week for a medical thing, so not here for the next meeting
[15:57] <juliank> :(
[15:58] <schopin> I'm out on a short 1-week vacation starting tonight :)
[15:59] <juliank> I think that wraps up the IRC meeting! Thanks everyone!
[15:59] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:59:07 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-08-31-15.02.moin.txt