/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/09/05/#ubuntu-meeting.txt

didrockscpaelzer_: FYI, I will be away during the MIR meeting (and then, in another meeting), so I will only be able to catch up after an hour post-meeting or so13:31
cpaelzer_didrocks: ok, thanks13:50
cpaelzer_didrocks: do you have capacity to get a review assigned?13:50
luis220413o/14:30
slyono/14:30
sarnoldgood morning14:30
cpaelzer_hello14:30
joalifo/14:30
slyonluis220413: hey there! FYI: I just re-sponsored your old debdiff on bug #1969734 ;-)14:31
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1969734 in openconnect (Ubuntu Jammy) "[Jammy] NetworkManager-openconnect 1.2.6 not compatible with openconnect 8.20" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196973414:31
cpaelzer_#startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status14:31
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cpaelzer_Ping for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage ( eslerm dviererbe )14:31
=== cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer
cpaelzer#topic current component mismatches14:31
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams14:31
dviererbeo/14:31
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg14:31
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg14:31
slyonuh oh! What happened to our -perl tree?14:31
luis220413s_lyon: thanks14:32
cpaelzerwe removed the dependency14:32
cpaelzerback to a suggest14:32
cpaelzeras it won't be in time for 23.1014:32
cpaelzerI can't force sarnold to review 50 in 2 weeks14:32
sarnold\o/14:32
dviererbe:D14:32
cpaelzerinterestingly independent to that there is one left in the svg14:32
cpaelzerdkim-perl->cryptx14:32
cpaelzerthat is a mismatch even with that reduced to a suggest14:33
slyonbut that's desktop's perl tree, not server's14:33
cpaelzerthat is true14:33
cpaelzerand, other than the old14:33
cpaelzerit is only in -proposed14:34
cpaelzerand therefore fine14:34
luis220413What binaries from src:rustc are depending on binaries from src:fonts-nanum, src:fonts-open-sans and src:highlight.js?14:34
cpaelzerthe whole former stack already did migrate because it was only recommends14:34
cpaelzerwhich surprising to me, recommends conflicts only - do not block proposed14:34
slyonluis220413: that's rust-doc14:34
cpaelzer-doc usually should go to excludes14:34
cpaelzerit is auto-included, but quite often it is ok to just exclude the -doc14:35
luis220413What is excludes?14:35
slyonluis220413: Extra-Excludes is part of the seeds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement/14:35
luis220413OK14:35
cpaelzerthank you for answering quicker slyon :-)14:35
slyonto deny-list certain binary packages14:35
cpaelzerluis220413: you'll see plenty of similar cases in the git history14:36
cpaelzerhttps://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu14:36
cpaelzernow, let us look at the mismatches once more14:36
cpaelzerjaraco - openstack is aware14:36
cpaelzerrust -> fonts we just discussed14:36
cpaelzerlibmail-dkim-perl and others - would need Desktop activity if urgent14:37
slyonwrt rustc component-mismatch. We got the security +1 \o/ So we need didrocks to check the latest comments and let us know if he's fine with that to unblock the MIR14:37
cpaelzerseb128: ^^ is that important to you?14:37
eslermo/14:37
slyon(well.. cargo MIR, that is. Which is combined with src:rustc)14:37
cpaelzerhe mentioned that he will be unavailable now, but will re-read the log14:37
seb128which one?14:37
cpaelzerseb128: https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches-proposed.svg14:37
cpaelzerseb128: libmail-dkim-perl is on desktop in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/m-r-package-team-mapping.html14:38
cpaelzer2/3 dependencies are already approved from being in main in the past14:38
seb128I will investigate, I'm not familiar with it14:38
cpaelzerthat is enough for now, thanks seb12814:39
seb128I (wrongly) assumed that was part of the perl stack being discussed in previous meeting14:39
seb128sorry about that14:39
cpaelzerit was maybe hidden in there14:39
cpaelzerbut we had to opt out of this for 23.10 as no one can do so many reviews in time14:39
cpaelzerso that is what is left visible for the time being14:40
cpaelzerprobably by a sync from debian14:40
cpaelzerI'd go on with the agenda then14:40
cpaelzer#topic New MIRs14:40
cpaelzerMission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing14:40
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:40
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vpnc-scripts/+bug/198757114:40
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1987571 in vpnc-scripts (Ubuntu) "[MIR] vpnc-scripts" [Undecided, New]14:40
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/stoken/+bug/198744814:40
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1987448 in stoken (Ubuntu) "[MIR] stoken" [Undecided, New]14:40
slyon(I cannot take any MIR reviews today, as I'll be out for an extended leave soon, with no "distro day" left)14:41
cpaelzeryeah14:41
cpaelzerand I'm crushed by "until end of cycle" high level duties14:41
eslermdoes stoken actually have an owning team?14:41
luis220413slyon: Until when?14:41
luis220413eslerm: No14:41
slyonI'll be back for release week, early October14:41
eslermLuis is back from suspension14:41
cpaelzereslerm: and he suggested Desktop14:42
luis220413Nor vpnc-scripts14:42
sarnold(welcome back :)14:42
cpaelzerI think we need seb128 or anyone else to officially say "yes we'd take it" on stoken + vpnc-scripts14:43
cpaelzerotherwise there might be a lot of review efforts for Desktop saying "that wasn't our plan"14:43
eslermjbicha has closed other related MIRs which were recently reopened14:43
luis220413Specifically bug 1986592 and bug 198744614:44
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1986592 in network-manager-openconnect (Ubuntu) "[MIR] network-manager-openconnect" [Low, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198659214:44
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1987446 in openconnect (Ubuntu) "[MIR] openconnect" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198744614:44
seb128cpaelzer, I'm also not familiar with those, I will review/consider but I doubt we are interested by those or wanting to commit to maintain them14:44
luis220413Bug 1986592 is the main one, with the rationale for promoting this set of packages14:44
seb128it's not for this cycle for sure14:44
luis220413Then for 24.04?14:45
jbichaluis220413: comment 2 on 1986592 is significant14:45
cpaelzerI think we can leave "having a look and discussion" to you both14:45
seb128yes14:46
cpaelzerand go on here14:46
cpaelzerI've assigned them to you and left a comment why14:47
cpaelzer#topic Incomplete bugs / questions14:47
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams14:47
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:47
cpaelzerthere  is the whole openconnect topic we just handled14:47
cpaelzerincluding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openconnect/+bug/1986592 which jbicha referred to14:48
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1986592 in network-manager-openconnect (Ubuntu) "[MIR] network-manager-openconnect" [Low, Incomplete]14:48
cpaelzernothing to act on those for the MIR team14:48
cpaelzerthen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-reportlab/+bug/202805414:48
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2028054 in hplip (Ubuntu) "[MIR] python-rlpycairo" [Undecided, Confirmed]14:48
cpaelzerhas found an unexpected solution, will be revisited if it causes issues14:48
cpaelzerthen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dotnet6/+bug/202353114:49
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2023531 in dotnet6 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dotnet6" [Undecided, Incomplete]14:49
cpaelzerwith some back and forther around the discontinue support in LTS14:49
slyon+1 and thanks for that (wrt python-reportlab)14:49
cpaelzernotinth to act for us either14:49
dviererbeI had an SRU exception for a few minutes :/14:49
cpaelzerhehe14:49
cpaelzerthen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cargo/+bug/199381914:49
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1993819 in dh-cargo (Ubuntu) "[MIR] cargo, dh-cargo" [High, In Progress]14:49
cpaelzerwhich we handled above, waiting for didrocks to confirm if all is completed14:49
slyonthis is for didrocks to look into ^ (as was said earlier)14:49
cpaelzerthen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pappl-retrofit/+bug/203181414:49
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2031814 in pappl-retrofit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] pappl-retrofit" [Undecided, Incomplete]14:49
cpaelzergot a MIR review14:50
slyonI NACKed this today...14:50
cpaelzerback to Till to rethink14:50
slyonIt's not needed for this cycle, though.14:50
cpaelzerok and last but not least14:50
cpaelzerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aom/+bug/200444214:50
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2004442 in aom (Ubuntu) "[MIR] aom (dependency of libheif)" [Undecided, Incomplete]14:50
cpaelzerhas todo's left open14:50
cpaelzerok14:50
slyonjust a tracking update, showing some progress from our (foundations) side14:50
cpaelzerthat was a lot of "incompletes with updates"14:50
cpaelzerbut all fine in regard to "not waiting to be unblocked by us"14:51
cpaelzer#topic Process/Documentation improvements14:51
cpaelzerMission: Review pending process/documentation pull-requests or issues14:51
cpaelzer#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pulls14:51
cpaelzer#link https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues14:51
cpaelzerFYI I landed the one that was agreed last week and you pinged me on14:51
luis220413https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/3914:51
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 39 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Owning team requirement is confusing" [Open]14:51
cpaelzerI'm not sure we made recent progress to base-sets14:51
cpaelzerthree worth to mention14:52
luis220413I opened this due to comment 12 to #198659214:52
luis220413cpaelzer: Base-sets?14:52
slyonno. base-sets will be discussed at the next engineering sprint14:52
slyon(hopefully)14:52
cpaelzerok14:52
cpaelzerso the first to discuss is the one luis220413 linked14:52
cpaelzerHmm, ok14:52
cpaelzerthanks for the report14:52
cpaelzerthis is one of the cases that is clear if you already know it14:53
cpaelzerThe answer is: it is a requirement to have an owning team14:53
cpaelzerBut we need to fix this in the repository14:53
cpaelzerI can easily write this a bit better and propose a change14:53
cpaelzersince that will be quick, that should be fine soon14:54
luis220413cpaelzer: It is a requirement for which stage(s) of the MIR process?14:54
cpaelzerI'm trying14:54
cpaelzerluis220413: it is not a requirement to have "the onwing team subscribed" to start the MIR and get the ACK. Oly to get the promotion to main done. But OTOH it is an absolute requitement to "have commitment of a team that will own it" to even enter the process14:55
slyonluis220413: I guess there are 2 stages: A MIR needs an owning team to be processed AND that team must be subscribed before being promoted by an AA.14:55
slyonyeah... cpaelzer is probably a bit more detailed14:56
cpaelzerwith time in mind, going on14:56
cpaelzerhttps://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/issues/3814:56
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Issue 38 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Externally created branch" [Open]14:56
cpaelzerdviererbe: I have no idea14:56
dviererbeI am not sure what to do here; just wanted to let you know that this is weird14:56
cpaelzerI think that it might not be an external party, but a GH feature we do not know?14:57
cpaelzerthanks for the report14:57
cpaelzerquestion14:57
dviererbenp14:57
cpaelzerwas https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/36 ready to merge?14:57
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 36 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Add an ask about isolation features" [Open]14:57
cpaelzerlooks that way14:57
cpaelzerany last need to stop me?14:57
slyondo it14:57
cpaelzerdone14:57
cpaelzerand now, time for security14:57
cpaelzer#topic MIR related Security Review Queue14:58
cpaelzerMission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?14:58
cpaelzerSome clients can only work with one, some with the other escaping - the URLs point to the same place.14:58
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:58
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=[MIR]&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir14:58
cpaelzerInternal link14:58
cpaelzer- ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect14:58
cpaelzer- ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much14:58
cpaelzer#link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/59414:58
cpaelzerthings keep looking good14:58
cpaelzeranything of concern sarnold / eslerm that you want to bring up?14:58
sarnold(especially without a perl tree to tend to :)14:58
cpaelzerwell, we have the first few of the perl tree14:58
cpaelzerand the rest will come later14:58
cpaelzerbut yes, only root-work now14:58
eslermnothing to bring up, I'll push for s390-tools assignment this week14:59
cpaelzergreat14:59
cpaelzerjfh will be happy to hear that14:59
cpaelzerin that case14:59
cpaelzerlet me go on14:59
cpaelzer#topic Any other business?14:59
luis220413Yes14:59
cpaelzernothing from me14:59
sarnoldnone here14:59
joalifnone14:59
eslermnone14:59
cpaelzeryes = another topic luis220413?14:59
luis220413cpaelzer: Exactly15:00
slyonkudos for the security to finish libei review quickly, to unblock the desktop team!15:00
cpaelzerindeed15:00
eslermthanks amurray \o/15:00
luis220413I would like to have libwpe and wpebackend-fdo promoted to main in Focal to be able to have WebKitGTK 2.40.5 in the official archive15:00
luis220413I have successfully built it (despite upstream's lack of support) and Yelp works well with it15:01
luis220413*lack of support for Focal15:01
luis220413The bugs are bug #1973031 and bug #1973033 (I have not changed them)15:01
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1973031 in libwpe (Ubuntu Jammy) "[MIR] libwpe" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197303115:01
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1973033 in wpebackend-fdo (Ubuntu Jammy) "[MIR] wpebackend-fdo" [High, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197303315:01
jbichaluis220413: I don't think the *wpe* issue is a blocker for webkitgtk 2.40 reaching Focal15:01
luis220413Thanks, but I said this because, from 1973031 it appeared that *wpe* would become mandatory for WebKitGTK starting from 2.4015:02
jbichahowever, the Ubuntu Security team currently doesn't plan to release webkitgtk 2.40 to Focal15:02
jbichaI'm saying there are other issues & webkitgtk support for Focal has reached Security End of Life15:03
jbichawe can discuss more after this meeting if needed since I don't think this is a MIR team issue now15:03
luis220413OK15:04
cpaelzerok15:04
cpaelzerin that case15:04
cpaelzerclosing15:04
cpaelzerthank you all!15:04
sarnoldthanks cpaelzer, all :)15:05
slyonthanks all! o/15:05
cpaelzer#endmeeting15:05
eslermthanks all o/15:05
dviererbethanyk you all! o/15:05
luis220413Thank you all! o/15:05
joalifthanks all15:05
jbichaluis220413: if you want to discuss webkitgtk/focal more, I suggest asking in #ubuntu-security15:06
didrockscpaelzer: ok, it seems in the end that there is no action outside of cargo for me or anything else I can take?15:13
cpaelzerno, just cargo AFAIR15:15
rbasako/19:00
seb128o/19:00
seb128amurray, vorlon, sil2100, around?19:01
sil2100o/19:01
seb128great19:01
seb128let's get started!19:01
seb128#startmeeting Technical Board19:01
amurrayo/19:01
rbasakFWIW, I have no progress on my action items to report this week, sorry.19:02
amurrayhey seb12819:02
seb128same here :-(19:02
seb128#topic Action Items19:02
* vorlon waves19:02
seb128ACTION: seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage19:03
seb128I didn't have time to help progressing this so let's carry over19:03
sil2100+119:03
seb128#action seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage19:04
meetingologyACTION: seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage19:04
seb128ACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification19:04
seb128rbasak said he didn't progress his items so carrying over19:05
seb128#action rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification19:05
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification19:05
seb128ACTION: rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps19:05
seb128same19:05
seb128#action rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps19:05
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to follow up on finding consensus on question of test plans for third party apps19:05
seb128ACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy19:05
seb128same19:05
seb128#action rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy19:05
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to open wider discussion on third-party repo policy19:05
seb128ACTION: seb128 to follow up with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations19:05
seb128I didn't manage to work on that either19:05
seb128#action seb128 to follow up with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations19:06
meetingologyACTION: seb128 to follow up with SRU, AA, Release, Backporters and Security teams to document their membership process and link to it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard#Team_Delegations19:06
seb128ACTION: vorlon to write up draft guidelines for packages in the archive that download from the Internet19:06
seb128vorlon, ?19:06
vorlonnothing to report yet, carry over19:06
seb128#action vorlon to write up draft guidelines for packages in the archive that download from the Internet19:06
meetingologyACTION: vorlon to write up draft guidelines for packages in the archive that download from the Internet19:06
seb128#topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)19:07
seb128#info No recent ML posts19:07
seb128#topic Check up on community bugs and techboard bugs19:07
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty19:07
seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/techboard doesn't have anything other that the previously listed action items19:08
seb128#info No new bugs; existing bugs are all being handled through existing action items19:08
seb128#topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)19:08
seb128#info Next chair will be vorlon with sil2100 as backup19:09
vorlonahhh Seb speed-running the TB meeting ;)19:09
sil2100+119:09
vorlon+119:09
seb128#topic AOB19:09
seb128:p19:09
seb128any other topic?19:09
vorlonI can put this on the mailing list if desired, but I'd like to request another variance of the schedule19:09
vorlonto push the next meeting out to 3 weeks from today instead of 119:09
vorloninstead of 219:09
sil2100I might have something for next meeting, since I'd like to first have a chat with the toolchain squad19:09
seb128I'm fine doing 2->3 weeks19:10
amurraysame19:10
seb128I think we have enough people to decide here/now19:10
sil2100I don't mind19:10
seb128rbasak, ?19:10
seb128well I guess we have quorum even without him, I will update the wikipage to reflect that19:12
rbasakSorry, reading19:12
seb128any other topic?19:12
rbasakAnd checking my calendar19:12
rbasak3 weeks is OK for me.19:13
seb128great19:13
rbasakNothing else from me thanks19:13
seb128alright, 30s for other topics if anyone has one!19:14
seb128seems not19:14
seb128thanks everyone!19:14
seb128#endmeeting19:14
amurraythanks seb12819:15
seb128(and I just noticed that I got a /msg from the bot telling me 'Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress')19:15
seb128well, we still have the irclogs19:15
vorlonthanks for the very efficient meeting!19:15
seb128np! :)19:16
rbasakvorlon: I had permission to change the shared calendar entry so I JFDI19:19
rbasak(FYI)19:19
vorlonhurray!19:19
seb128rbasak, thanks for updating the calendar! :)19:21

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