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bdrung\o15:01
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juliank#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:01
juliank#endmeeting15:01
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liushuyuo/15:02
mclemenceauo/15:02
juliankWe have some meeting starting trouble15:02
xypron\o15:02
ogayoto/15:02
xypron#endmeeting15:03
juliankcpaelzer: Can you #endmeeting, I think it is stuck on your old meeting?15:03
juliankcpaelzer: Oh I guess you need to endmeeting with cpaelzer_15:04
juliankcpaelzer: It never accepted your endmeeting15:04
cpaelzer_#endmeeting15:05
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juliankI hacked it15:05
juliank#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team15:05
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adrieno/15:06
juliank#link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-7-sep-2023/15:06
dbungertnice work15:06
pushkarnko/15:10
juliankah yes I also spent time this morning logging out and back into my desktop with various gnome component versions to bisect some regressions15:10
juliankwhich I've just been told have been fixed now (dark theme not working correctly)15:11
julianklet's move on, it's quiet today15:15
juliank#topic Release incoming bugs15:15
juliank#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:15
juliankbug 203394915:15
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033949 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Does not work with sources in deb822 format" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203394915:15
juliankI'm not sure how I'd want to track that, we already have the issue in progress in Jira for it15:15
juliankbut it's not linked to the bug15:15
juliankmclemenceau: Any idea?15:15
mclemenceauI would say we tag it foundations-todo15:16
juliankok15:16
juliankbug 203369215:17
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033692 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "netboot tarball missing grub/fonts/unicode.pf2?" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203369215:17
juliankhmm15:18
juliankthat is not true15:18
juliankOur signed binaries embed the file these days, so it makes no sense to ship on uefi15:19
juliankwe can't load external fonts15:19
juliankit might make sense for BIOS PXE boots15:19
vorlonthe netboot tarball covers BIOS as well fwiw15:20
juliankWell not on arm64 though15:20
vorlonI wasn't sure whether we would load external fonts in the UEFI case, yeah15:20
vorlonfwiw mwhudson had already raised an MP on this15:21
juliankI don't think it makes sense to tag unicode support on BIOS foundations-todo, it's not in our highest important bugs15:21
juliankI commented that MP to say arm64 makes no sense15:22
juliankand I just remove the tag15:22
juliankbug 203370015:22
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033700 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "livecd-rootfs should replicate apt preferences from the host environment at image build time" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203370015:22
vorlonthis came out of work to migrate a wiki page that hadn't been updated for the new netboot tarballs15:22
vorlonso was a regression vs the status quo there15:22
juliankcosmetic regression in menu rendering for bios users are low priority though ;)15:24
juliankSo it makes sense to fix as needed15:24
vorlon2033700 is basically that an autopkgtest trigger doesn't reliably take effect for an image build because of our NotAutomatic change to -proposed15:25
juliankThe apt preferences bug sounds wrong, livecd-rootfs *tests* should replicate the autopkgtest preferences, but not if you build images on your system?15:25
juliankI mean if I want to build a mantic image on my mantic laptop it shouldn't be using my preferences15:25
vorlonoh you've managed to build images locally, have you15:26
juliankI think about 5 years ago I might but I certainly haven't tried since15:26
vorlondriving the build infra locally and getting an actual image out the other end is so fraught that I would treat this as lower priority15:26
juliankdo the build hosts have potentially conflicting pinning?15:27
vorlonyou can't build an image in a chroot because snapd has to run; you can't build an image in a container unless you get all the magic security settings right; and if you build it on your host system, well, ok, live dangerously I guess15:27
juliankbut yes, I'll go ahead and tag it todo15:27
vorlonthe build env in launchpad or autopkgtest isn't going to have any unrelated pins15:28
juliankbug 201740115:28
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2017401 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "Unexpected / unwanted unattended-upgrades behaviour after kernel upgrade when Livepatch enabled" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201740115:28
juliankneed to move the tag to nn15:28
vorlonyes15:28
juliankdone15:29
juliank#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:29
juliankempty!15:29
juliank#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:29
juliankbug 1990798 is incomplete and with pro team, skip15:29
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199079815:29
juliank(they are waiting for feedback)15:30
juliank#link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:30
juliankjust the livepatch one again15:30
juliankmaybe we should drop that tag too, vorlon? Add a task instead?15:30
vorlonsounds reasonable to me15:30
juliank#topic Team proposed-migration report15:31
juliank#link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs15:31
juliankvery few items, vorlon15:31
vorlontzdata uh this is assigned to mkukri ?  that didn't happen last week, did it? :)15:32
vorlonanyway, welcome mkukri we're putting you straight to work15:32
liushuyuI can take proposed-migrations if needed15:32
bdrungubiquity is still on my plate15:33
vorlonright - reassigning the jira card to you15:33
juliankvorlon: I gave it to him as it turned out one simple upload and he needed something sponsored :)15:33
vorlonjuliank: ack15:33
vorlons390-tools is blocked by MIR still. schopin this is still with you?15:34
bdrungschopin is on vacation this week15:34
vorlonliushuyu: I had tpm2-tss listed as assigned to you from last week; any progress?15:34
mkukriThat looks cooler than it is, it was a pretty easy thing Julian gave me. Either way, it was very useful for figuring out the tooling.15:34
vorlon"that looks cooler than it is" omg he has us pegged already15:35
liushuyuvorlon: it's still with me, I did not have time until now to put it on my list15:35
vorlonok15:35
vorlonthat's all for this week then15:36
vorlonjuliank:15:36
liushuyu(and also lacking a s390x VM to test it)15:36
juliank#topic AOB15:36
bdrung"that looks cooler than it is" i could say about the temperature in my room as well15:36
juliankany other business?15:36
ginggsFTBFS party \o/15:36
juliankit reads 24.9°C here15:36
juliankok 25°C now15:36
ginggshttps://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230830-mantic-mantic.html#foundations-bugs-team15:36
juliankpartay!15:36
bdrung27°C inside, 29°C outside15:37
juliankoh can I fix aptdaemon again, lol15:37
zhsjgolang-1.20 ftbfs -> gone15:37
adrienheh, there's strace in the list \o/15:37
juliankwell I'm traveling next week and overly busy :(15:37
vorlonI wonder if we need some way to annotate the ones that will fail because of signatures (fwupd-signed, grub2-signed, shim-signed)15:38
juliankthat would be useful yes15:38
vorlonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1613482 lol maybe we close this bug15:39
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1613482 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "FTBFS with new GCC 6 -Wmisleading-indentation warning" [Undecided, Confirmed]15:39
julianklol15:39
vorlonclearly we make excellent use of the ftbfs tags15:39
ginggsadrien volunteers for strace!15:39
bdrungi'll take ubiquity (hit the stone with two birds)15:40
ginggspigeons?15:40
zhsji can take libevent15:40
ginggsdoko will take binutils15:40
waveformI'll take u-boot (fairly sure that's already reported as LP: #2023536)15:40
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2023536 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "package sysv-rc (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d', which is also in package init-system-helpers 1.62" [Undecided, Won't Fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202353615:40
waveformdoh, LP: #203453615:41
-ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2034536 in u-boot (Ubuntu) "Amd64 build fails with '‘-fcf-protection=full’ is not supported for this target'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203453615:41
vorlonadrien: fwiw you posted to ubuntu-devel about a general principle of FFes for strace which is harder to answer, but didn't file an FFe bug for the current one - do you want a formal FFe approval for right now15:41
juliankcd-boot-images I think we can just do after the next grub update (2.12~rc1-9ubuntu1)15:41
vorlonit just needs build-deps bumped as usual15:41
juliankyeah15:41
juliankdon't want to do it today and then tomorrow again basically ;)15:42
vorlonor worse, do it today and forget to do it again tomorrow15:42
juliankyeah15:42
juliankI mean we could make the package have depends or turn on the policy for build depends to be satisfied in britney and then grub wouldn't migrate and I'd go like "huh I forgot something"15:43
vorlon-100 for turning on the build-depends policy15:43
vorlonI want reporting on this but not slowing down proposed-migration15:44
juliankI do have a reporting but never moved it to canonical infra15:44
adrienvorlon: I haven't prepared the 6.5 one yet but I was planning on asking for one if the general FFe wasn't granted quickly15:44
ginggsjuliank: bugs tagged FTBFS for fwupd-signed, grub2-signed, shim-signed will show up when the FTBFS reports are generated15:44
juliankginggs: we do not want them to be tested at all basically15:44
juliankginggs: we know they fail no point running them or showing us15:45
juliankFor any package copied from ~canonical-signing PPAs really15:45
juliankNot sure that can be queried sensibly but you get the idea15:45
juliankvorlon: We should setup my edos-distchecks reports on our infra properly so we can see unsat build-depends in release pockets (and Depends I guess, it happens with force demotions)15:46
juliankmaybe we have time in november15:47
juliankit would be nice15:47
* juliank also hasn't updated https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/ to run on anything newer than kinetic15:47
vorlonyes, that would be a very good thing to get done before the next LTS15:47
vorlonsince statically checking unsat build-deps is something we can run constantly, unlike archive rebuilds15:48
juliankyeah it takes like 2-3 minutes or so on an EPYC thread15:48
vorlonjuliank: can you put a card for that on the list of roadmap proposals?15:48
juliankaye15:48
juliankor is that something qa wants to run, bdmurray15:49
vorlonraise a card now so we don't lose track, we can horse-trade later :)15:49
julianksure15:50
juliankI think that wraps this side of the meeting up?15:56
juliank#endmeeting15:56
meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:56:18 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-07-15.05.moin.txt15:56

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