[00:26] <Newbuntu> Hi There!
[00:28] <xangua> that nick reminds me of something
[01:09] <Newbuntu> I am back on Ubuntu after a long time. I am wondering whether there is any good way now to install microsoft office 365 (without Virtualbox or virt-manager)?
[01:12] <sarnold> is that the version of office that's a web app?
[01:13] <leftyfb> Newbuntu: use a web browser
[01:13] <leftyfb> Newbuntu: other than that, no
[01:14] <Newbuntu> Nope, I want to use the real desktop app.
[01:14] <Newbuntu> No way to do that?
[01:14] <leftyfb> Newbuntu: then you'll need to use Windows
[01:14] <leftyfb> nothing wrong with the web app
[01:15] <sarnold> maybe it'll run in wine or proton, but historically microsoft apps haven't done well with that, since wine implements mostly documented apis
[01:15] <Newbuntu> Anyone tried this? https://ruados.github.io/articles/2021-05/office365-wine
[01:15] <leftyfb> sarnold: office has historically run like crap in wine
[01:16] <leftyfb> Newbuntu: that's a 3rd party app not supported here. Good luck with it
[01:16] <sarnold> leftyfb: I was hopeful that it was all web these days, like google docs
[01:16] <leftyfb> it is
[01:16] <leftyfb> but Newbuntu refuses to use it
[01:16] <sarnold> wikipedia suggests there's still stuff only implemented in desktop apps
[01:16] <leftyfb> it's been working fine for me for years
[01:16] <sarnold> nice
[01:17] <sarnold> Newbuntu: that guide looks like it was written by someone who knows what they're doing, but zounds, I'd rather run a VM
[01:17] <Newbuntu> Good for you. But, my problem is there are specific features in excel and powerpoint that I need to use.
[01:17] <sarnold> or I guess you could spin up a windows instance on aws or azure or something
[01:19] <Newbuntu> I see
[01:50] <pureos> i tell you laguna...these sorry filthy dirty nigger trash and crooked nigger dick suckin JEW filth, those bastard enemies of anything HOLY including HOLY MATRIMONY of GREEK Doctors, they are all a bunch of corporate whores like the SHINRA, and other related filth, who desire nothing more than to rape and kill little girls, murder helpless women, and even AERIS just because her mother gave her HOLY
[01:50] <zcot> lol. poor feller.
[01:50] <guiverc> pureos, please remain on-topic & be polite
[01:51] <zcot> not sure why i was pinged. must've been something bad in there.
[03:59] <xamindar> im having the most annoying problem with snaps. Can some one offer advise? They are much slower than my native versions on my Arch install, and I mean a LOT slower. And they often lock up and can not be killed. Firefox snap just did this to me. Libreoffice ones take a good 10 seconds to open.
[03:59] <xamindar> There must be some common issue causing this slowdown. It's becoming unbearable. Only seems to happen with snap apps.
[04:06] <matsaman> xamindar: snaps are idiotic, avoid them
[04:07] <xamindar> matsaman: thanks, but ubuntu forces them on us, do they not? When I try to apt install a normal app sometimes I am told I have to install it through snaps
[04:07] <matsaman> Ubuntu certainly pushes them
[04:07] <matsaman> you can opt out, with effort
[04:07] <matsaman> or switch distros, with not that much effort
[04:07] <matsaman> Ubuntu is basically unstable Debian with weird extras
[04:08] <matsaman> and the nude people wallpapers aren't even around by default anymore
[04:08] <xamindar> lol
[04:09] <xamindar> well im only using ubuntu on my work laptop due to work requests. i think ill start pushing for something else to use as a work Linux OS.
[04:14] <xamindar> i had to do some crap like this to even get my dead firefox to go away:
[04:14] <xamindar> for i in $(ps aux | grep [f]irefox | awk '{ print $2 }'); do kill -9 $i;done
[04:17] <matsaman> xamindar: 'work request' is more like "guidelines" =P
[04:17] <matsaman> the only way that kind of stuff is enforceable is if the job would be a massive PITA anyway =P
[04:18] <matsaman> like even more than most jobs =P
[04:19] <xamindar> matsaman: haha yeah. Main reason for Ubuntu was for crowdstrike support in kernel.....but I haven't bothered even installing our crowdstrike agent het anyway lol.
[04:20] <matsaman> this? https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/tech-center/install-falcon-sensor-for-linux/
[04:20] <matsaman> seems to just reference dpkg, which, 'cause it's Ubuntu, is a Debian thing really
[04:20] <matsaman> but I mean
[04:20] <matsaman> packages worth using will be in the repo already
[04:20] <matsaman> you won't have to download them manually like you're on Windows or macOS
[04:22] <xamindar> right, but it has specific kernel versions it works with, otherwise it's in "reduced functionality mode" which means it doesn't actually do anything. I honestly haven't looked at if/which kernels it supports on debian
[04:22] <xamindar> might be time to shop around
[04:22] <matsaman> well, you can use any kernel with any distro anyway
[04:23] <matsaman> but if it's not a pile of trash, it won't be hard to use it with a regular Debian kernel
[04:24] <xamindar> hmm, supports SLES. Been years since I have tried that one. Might be something to try.
[05:20] <Yakov> is it possible to execute my ./AppName with no terminal?
[05:23] <matsaman> Yakov: probably, but why
[05:37] <alkisg> Yakov: create a desktop file inside /usr/share/applications
[06:46] <Terminal-V> I am using OpenVPN in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. To replace the secret key, can I replace the 'static.key' file while OpenVPN is running or do I need to stop OpenVPN before replacing 'static.key'?
[07:05] <ravage> You can replace the file but it will not affect established connections
[07:43] <elias_a> Is the notorius privacy sandbox of google present and turned on by default in the chromium browser in Ubuntu repositories? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/googles-widely-opposed-ad-platform-the-privacy-sandbox-launches-in-chrome/
[07:45] <elias_a> Found already it is there but is not turned on at least in my case. I'll have to check out how things are with a new installation.
[07:46] <elias_a> A general remark: if privacy is of importance to you, read the article above and act accordingly.
[07:48] <ravage> the snap is built from https://git.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/+git/snap-from-source/tree/snapcraft.yaml
[07:50] <elias_a> ravage: TY!
[08:06] <Yakov> is there any advanced search I could use to search text in text files in Ubuntu?
[08:27] <ravage> grep
[10:12] <davegarath> Hi all, I have a problem with my new pc and webcam. I found an article about how to solve it (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2477627&p=14153811) but I have a problem on this step: apt-get source linux-modules-extra-$(uname -r). I get this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/scN6dn6hqP/
[10:24] <ogra> davegarath, do you have a deb-src line for the updates repo in your sources.list ? that source package only lives in updates and security repos: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-6.2
[10:33] <davegarath> ogra, thanx I decommented security and it works !
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:47] <coconut> Hey BluesKaj, still on KDE?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> hey coconut, yup, testing Mantic atm
[12:49] <coconut> sweet is it stable already?
[12:51] <coconut> I couldn't loose my mind anymore with cosmic
[12:52] <BluesKaj> it's been stable since the  repos became available
[12:53] <coconut> hope they make it a special release this time
[12:53] <BluesKaj> your experience may differ however, not using any snaps etc
[12:55] <coconut> yeah but i steer myself around snap and flatpak if i can anyhow
[12:55] <BluesKaj> yeah, same
[12:58] <BluesKaj> I have a plain jane intel cpu etc pc so nothing too out of the ordinay
[13:36] <Beladona> I have `* * * * * sudo zpool trim rpool` in `sudo crontabe -e` in ubuntu. I wonder why it was not working? when I made this command manually in terminal, it worked (reduced the size about 20GB) but looks like it was not working via cron as space 1 minute ago was 1GB left.
[14:27] <nteodosio> elias_a, no, it's not. That setting is in Chromium about://settings/privacySandbox, which you find to be off in Chromium (any version).
[15:10]  * kszl receficebumm bumm bumm
[15:10] <Guest85> i have an error with libjpeg-turbo8-dev:amd64 (2.1.2-0ubuntu1)
[15:12] <Guest85> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4ppGb9Z5zX/
[15:14] <oerheks> Correct: libjpeg9-dev and libjpeg8-dev conflict; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1291562/ubuntu-system-error-during-apt-install-seems-to-have-left-a-mess
[15:14] <oerheks> just remove libjpeg9-dev, and run sudo apt --fix-broken install
[15:15] <Guest85> i cant
[15:16] <Guest85> Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[15:17] <Guest85> when i trying to remove libjpeg9-dev
[15:17] <Guest85> what can i do?
[15:24] <Guest85> that is bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg-turbo/+bug/1597840 I believe
[15:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1597840 in libjpeg-turbo (Ubuntu) "package libjpeg-turbo8-dev 1.4.2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/include/jerror.h', which is also in package libjpeg9-dev:amd64 1:9b-1ubuntu1" [High, Confirmed]
[15:27] <oerheks> 2016 .. 1.4.2-0ubuntu3
[15:27] <oerheks> how did you install libjpeg9-dev ?
[15:28] <oerheks> in that url the --force method should work;  sudo dpkg -r libjpeg9-dev
[15:37] <ioria> Guest85, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libjpeg-turbo8-dev_2.1.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[15:41] <Guest85> ioria, many thanks :D
[15:42] <ioria> Guest85, ok
[16:00] <Alex89912> Hello
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> welcome Alex89912
[16:01] <Alex89912> I have a question, can I install ssh before running ubuntu installer?
[16:01] <Alex89912> I need this question because it will change my hardware
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> can you explain what your end goal is exactly Alex89912
[16:03] <Alex89912> I want a ubuntu server with a ssh server on boot, it will be necessary to choose my server's cpu
[16:04] <Alex89912> I am hesitating between a i3 13100f and a i3 13100
[16:06] <oerheks> just install server, and https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openssh
[16:07] <Alex89912> No I was talking about the install with ssh
[16:10] <Alex89912> So, I want to install ssh on the install because I need to know if I need to choose integrated graphics or not
[16:10] <blomberg> hi
[16:10] <Alex89912> Hello blomberg
[16:11] <blomberg> some random strokes were pressed by a cat, and it magnified in ubuntu and the screeen changes shift as i type,
[16:11] <blomberg> even mouse is in center position
[16:11] <blomberg> as i move mouse the entire magnified screen moves
[16:11] <blomberg> esc can't undo it , which ubuntu feature is it
[16:12] <Alex89912> Do you need to un magnify the screen?
[16:13] <oerheks> ctrl + + / ctrl - -  ?
[16:13] <Alex89912> Go to setting>accessibility>zoom and turn off
[16:13] <Alex89912> It is for desktop or server?
[16:14] <Alex89912> If server oerheks is right
[16:16] <blomberg> desktop ctrl - makes text smaller but still the text stays in the center and the entire screen moves to the left as i type
[16:17] <blomberg> ahh thx
[16:18] <blomberg> what key did the cat press to enable that zoom
[17:51] <cat-go-meow> how does this work i've never used irc before
[17:53] <happymeal`> you've completed atleast steps 1 and 2
[17:53] <happymeal`> connect, then chat
[18:02] <bhechinger> I keep getting the popup window  about closing the 'go' app so snap can update it. How do I tell what has it "open" though? I closed GoLand and nothing else should be using it as far as I can tell. It still won't update though.
[18:04] <oerheks> killall snap-store  # Then tell snapd to update all snaps:    sudo snap refresh
[18:56] <TuxBlackEdo> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz (3.60GHz) • Memory: 31.9 GiB Total (21.2 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.3 TiB / 1.8 TiB (488.1 GiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650, Citrix Indirect Display Adapter • Uptime: 1w 1d 2h 6m 55s
[18:57] <TuxBlackEdo> sorry about that
[18:59] <iadn> Hello, world!
[19:04] <SIRJUEX> Can someone help me please
[19:06] <leftyfb> SIRJUEX: not until you specify the problem
[20:12] <rocketbomb> a
[20:18] <hack> woot
[20:48] <xamindar> has anyone been stuck with ksshaskpass?
[20:48] <xamindar> im trying to remove this crap but my terminal keeps setting the SSH_ASKPASS env var to it
[20:48] <ash_m> When I wake up my laptop, some applications (namely, the console and thunderbird) appear behind the launcher like this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jvCc9.png
[20:49] <xamindar> any ideas where that is? I would assume removing the package would fix that, but nope
[20:49] <ash_m> lotuspsychje: I was told you'd probably know how to figure something like that out
[20:49] <xamindar> ash_m: have you tried moving them out? click the title and drag over, see if that fixes it
[20:50] <ash_m> xamindar: I can just restore/re-maximize, but it keeps happening, every time I wake the laptop
[20:51] <ash_m> that brings up a good fact though, the windows this happens to are maximized
[20:51] <ash_m> I have had this problem across 2 machines running 22.04
[20:51] <ash_m> the common thread there is that they were both originally running windows
[20:54] <sarnold> ash_m: that's probably worth a bug report, 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' and fill out the forms as it goes
[20:55] <sarnold> xamindar: I wonder if your terminal application is setting that variable before launching the shell?
[20:55] <ash_m> sarnold: is `ubuntu-bug` command?
[20:55] <sarnold> xamindar: grep -r /etc/environment* /etc/bash* ~/.*bash* ~/.profile* ~/.*login*  maybe ..
[20:55] <sarnold> ash_m: yes
[20:55] <ash_m> sarnold: thanks
[20:56] <xamindar> sarnold: good thought, just checked konsole and it doesn't set it.
[20:56] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: Probably more like gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock.
[20:57] <Eickmeyer> ash_m: More specifically, `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock`.
[20:57] <sarnold> Eickmeyer: how'd you know that's the extension in questino?
[20:58] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: Because the behavior is that the dock panel shouldn't allow windows to go underneath.
[20:59] <bhechinger> oerheks: snap-store: no process found
[21:00] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock well it does look like a promising group of subscribers
[21:08] <ash_m> sarnold: should I include my journal output in the bug report?
[21:09] <manhastami> who
[21:09] <ash_m> Eickmeyer: I changed it on the form
[21:10] <Eickmeyer> ash_m: Right, but the logs and everything that got uploaded probably was wrong.
[21:11] <ash_m> Eickmeyer: yes, it probably was, I was too late reading back here
[21:15] <sarnold> ash_m: hopefully the ubuntu-bug command grabs whatever is useful for the package in question
[21:17] <ash_m> there were a few other attachments automatically appended to it
[21:17] <ash_m> the OOTB terminal is called "gnome-shell" right?
[21:18] <ash_m> I think it's probably not, and I goofed that.
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> ash_m: The terminal is gnome-terminal, the overall graphical user envionment is gnome-shell.
[21:19] <ash_m> can I edit the bug?
[21:19] <ash_m> or ammend it?
[21:19] <ash_m> oh I found the pencil
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> ash_m: You can. Click the yellow icon in the upper left... yeah, you found it.
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> s/left/right
[21:21] <ash_m> Anything else? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/2034975
[21:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2034975 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Maximized windows appear behind launcher after waking laptop" [Undecided, New]
[21:21] <ash_m> (that is, to make the bug better)
[21:22] <sarnold> ash_m: could you add the image as an attachment? that way it'll still be useful when slack throws away the image
[21:22] <sarnold> ash_m: look for 'add attachment or patch' near the bottom of the page
[21:25] <jayson25>  I fear the day when - Technology overlaps humanity - because then - we will have a generation of idiots -Einstein.
[21:26] <ash_m> sarnold: sure, it's actually not my image, but my screen looks just like it. I could take my own though.
[21:26] <sarnold> ash_m: probably a good idea
[21:26] <ash_m> sarnold: leave the link?
[21:27] <ash_m> (and add an attachment)
[21:27] <sarnold> ash_m: yeah, might as well
[21:27] <bitbinge> I hope they'll fix this bug in time for 24.04. It's a 2 year old bug.
[21:30] <jayson25> what bug do you have
[21:30] <jayson25> i missed it
[21:31] <gordonjcp> bitbinge: any bug in particular?
[21:31] <bitbinge> The one you've been talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/2034975
[21:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2034975 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Maximized windows appear behind launcher after waking laptop" [Undecided, New]
[21:32] <jayson25> wayland ?
[21:34] <jayson25> or - generic graphics drivers.
[21:34] <jayson25> Graphics i everything in linux.
[21:35] <jayson25> Its a constant battle.
[21:35] <jayson25> That and the devs eating 2 much pizza.
[21:36] <bitbinge> No, it's not. Graphics support is great on Linux.
[21:36] <jayson25> what card AND De.
[21:37] <bitbinge> Yes, it's an issue with the dock and wayland. Has been known for years. Everyone who uses wayland on gnome has it.
[21:37] <jayson25> I am under the suspicion , this is a laptop
[21:38] <jayson25> convert back to xorg
[21:38] <jayson25> wayland is a work in progress.
[21:38] <ash_m> jayson25: for me, yes it's a laptop
[21:39] <bitbinge> What I did is I enabled dock hiding, but it's not a solution for old people.
[21:39] <ash_m> that is not explicitly stated, but implied since I say "close the lid" in the bug. Should I clarify?
[21:39] <jayson25> stop torturing yourself
[21:39] <jayson25> go back to x.org.
[21:39] <akik> jayson25: it's WIP even if it's being pushed into use?
[21:39] <jayson25> nonsense
[21:40] <akik> jayson25: well stop saying nonsense then
[21:40] <ash_m> I'd like more consensus on jayson25 solution of "just don't use wayland" ... anybody?
[21:40] <jayson25> no one does not support X
[21:40] <gordonjcp> bitbinge: oh. Steps to reproduce?
[21:41] <gordonjcp> bitbinge: it's going to be one of those "specific chipset specific app" things isn't it?
[21:41] <jayson25> exactly
[21:41] <gordonjcp> at least you've got a chance of fixing it in Linux
[21:42] <gordonjcp> have any of you tried this Windows thing?
[21:42] <bitbinge> Log into a GNOME wayland session. Make sure Dash to Dock extension is enabled and set to not hide.
[21:42] <gordonjcp> zero support
[21:42] <jayson25> i did, sukt
[21:42] <bitbinge> Then suspend and wake.
[21:42] <ash_m> gordonjcp: for me, steps are: (1) maximize a terminal (2) close your laptop (3) open it back up.
[21:42] <gordonjcp> let me just try and find my laptop
[21:42] <jayson25> back-up and punt - reload with X
[21:43] <bitbinge> Well yeah, you need a maximized window too. Any window.
[21:43] <leftyfb> ash_m: have you tried enabling autohide, rebooting, then disabling autohide and testing?
[21:43] <leftyfb> others online have pointed out reverting to xorg resolved it for them (no reinstall of ubuntu needed)
[21:44] <ash_m> bitbinge: doesn't affect firefox for me
[21:44] <gordonjcp> I'm using xorg on my desktop because Resolve doesn't like Wayland much
[21:44] <leftyfb> it's an active bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1961508
[21:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1961508 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Dock displaying over window after resuming from blank screen" [Medium, In Progress]
[21:44] <jayson25> ash_m:    post the chipset model
[21:44] <bitbinge> ash_m, try running it with env MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox
[21:44] <leftyfb> jayson25: the issue isn't with the video driver
[21:44] <ash_m> jayson25: is there a command that'll dump that?
[21:45] <ash_m> leftyfb: so you agree that the solution is to use x
[21:45] <jayson25> yes
[21:45] <leftyfb> ash_m: I suggest try the troubleshooting step I gave you and then we'll go from there
[21:45] <jayson25> its incomplete
[21:45] <ash_m> leftyfb: roger
[21:46] <ash_m> bbl, rebooting
[21:47] <jayson25> its a cheap lapop that has incapable-ness.
[21:47] <bitbinge> That won't work.
[21:47] <leftyfb> bitbinge: what won't work?
[21:47] <jayson25> poor guy
[21:47] <jayson25> be done with it and put it back to X
[21:48] <leftyfb> jayson25: you've already said that. Back away from the hourse
[21:48] <leftyfb> horse*
[21:48] <jayson25> lol lefty.. we love lefty.. no worries.
[21:50] <jayson25> how many ebgineers does it take to cure - wayland ??
[21:50] <bitbinge> ash_m, you've got three workarounds (not fixes): maximize the window each time it happens (fe. with Super + Up), enable dock autohide, use x
[21:50] <gordonjcp> bitbinge: I can't get it to do it
[21:52] <jayson25> lol, that guy cant reboot
[21:52] <leftyfb> jayson25: can we help you with something?
[21:52] <jayson25> yes
[21:53] <jayson25> you can
[21:53] <leftyfb> jayson25: what do you need help with?
[21:53] <jayson25> help the guy.
[21:54] <jayson25> ban-daiding his cheap system- wont fix it.
[21:54] <leftyfb> jayson25: ok, that's enough
[21:54] <jayson25> put the man on X
[21:54] <jayson25> i hear you lefty
[21:56] <jayson25> he cant even boot or he would have been back
[21:58] <jayson25> have a good day people
[21:59] <ash_m> leftyfb: the autohide trick did not work; so I never "switched" to wayland per-se (at least idr specifically indicating I wanted to run wayland); how does one "switch back"?
[22:00] <leftyfb> ash_m: https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[22:01] <ash_m> leftyfb: why did ubuntu start shipping with wayland (that is, configured to use wayland)?
[22:02] <leftyfb> adoption
[22:02] <ash_m> nvm that question.
[22:02] <ash_m> brb again
[22:02] <leftyfb> it was only right at release that they started noticing issues with nivida so they suggest people with nvidia not use wayland at all
[22:03] <gordonjcp> ah, that might be why I've never seen any wayland issues ;-)
[22:04] <ash_m> yay that works.
[22:04] <jeremy31> ash_m: it works better now than it did 6 years ago
[22:05] <ash_m> and now I can take out my silly `WAYLAND_DISPLAY= pass` alias
[22:05] <ash_m> jeremy31: not entirely sure what you mean by that, but huzah
[22:06] <jeremy31> ash_m: wayland didn't work so well on a short term support version in 2017
[22:09] <ash_m> jeremy31: Ah, you mean wayland works better now. I take it my peeves are trivial compared to then. :P
[22:12] <loswedseded> does ffmpeg work as well as mkvmerge to trim mkv files?
[22:14] <leftyfb> loswedseded: I would try them both and see which one works best for you