[11:32] <enyc> Whats' the right place to  bung in development investigational suggesions ?
[11:32] <enyc> .. Definitely of the view  that  something like  System76's pop-os Zram setup Script  or  full blown zram-generator  needs serious investigation for ubuntu
[11:33] <enyc> essentially zramswap has considerable benefit for majority of users and if set suitably not a detriment,  reduces SSD wear and swapping and increases speed.  In my experience on old and new machines alike.
[11:34] <enyc> fedora and pop!_os (and indeed osx and w**dows) have this already aiui
[11:36] <enyc> in short even just installing  zram-tools  package out the box has a conservative default  in /etc/default/zramswap
[11:37] <enyc> Ubuntu really needs to question things like this for default install
[11:37] <enyc> p.s. how is Wayland in ubuntu improving, what are the snags, etc?
[13:05] <guiverc> enyc, Ubuntu mantic has had past a number of freeze points already (feature, UI); so it's too late for mantic
[13:05] <guiverc> I'd assume Ubuntu Community Hub/discourse; eg. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/replacing-shotwell-as-photo-manager-and-editor/3635
[13:51] <enyc> guiverc: at what point would it be too-late to provide an extra mantic installable package with equivalent of downstream system76 zram script in it, and encourage people to test it [but not provide it by default] ?
[13:52] <guiverc> if it's in a package not included on ISO, it's not too late.  the freeze(s) (& not all have past/hit) relates to packages included on released ISO
[13:53] <enyc> guiverc: do you know people (or teams) better-involved in processes who could be asked to make a trivial package in that regard?
[13:53] <enyc> alas IRL messes of many at the moment myself
[13:56] <guiverc> developers are the people to really know (I'm not a developer sorry!)... If it's to be on installed Ubuntu Desktop the desktop team make sense; however if it's optional & thus a 'universe' or community package; MOTUs maybe.. For flavor packages, they each have their own teams (& most include MOTUs (or better/CoreDev) anyway I'd bet)
[13:56] <enyc> guiverc: AHA good point thaknyou!
[14:02]  * guiverc clarifies:  by "if it's to be on installed Ubuntu Desktop" - I meant on the ISO itself; where feature freeze has already happened...
[14:09] <enyc> guiverc: yes, that makes sense.