[00:04] <ravage> It should be installing the ububtu- desktop package
[00:04] <ravage> But if you can do a fresh install
[00:04] <ravage> In any case have a backup
[00:06] <tripstah> ravage: why a fresh install for lxde -> gnome? ubuntu can handle not doing a fresh install.
[00:06] <ravage> A lot of unnecessary packages
[00:06] <ravage> Could also affect future Upgrades
[00:07] <ravage> This situation is not part of regular QA for upgrades to new versions
[00:17] <guiverc> tripstah, fyi:  lubuntu uses LXQt & has used it on last 10 releases (not counting respins)
[00:32] <tripstah> guiverc: ok, didn't know that.
[00:34] <tripstah> guiverc: changing to gnome is the same in practice as changing from lxde tho.
[00:35] <guiverc> a touch more difficult; as LXDE was GTK2 (closed to GNOME's GTK4 today),, where as LXQt is Qt5 & thus user configs will be Qt5..  yes its basically the same, but depending on what you want to keep/end-with, can differ..
[00:36] <guiverc> My old (primary) box was Ubuntu Desktop install; on which I added `lubuntu-desktop`, `xubuntu-desktop` & `ubuntu-mate-desktop`.. to get all... I love multi-desktop environments however there are complications that can be a problem for newbies (esp. with many, eg. 4 desktops)
[01:16] <tripstah> guiverc: can you help for changing from kde-graphics back to gnome? i installed kinfocenter and it changed the graphics to kde-like, see https://ibb.co/pLWPCMq -
[01:17] <jsmooth> Does Ubuntu get in the way of apache by default?
[01:18] <rbox> "the way"?
[01:19] <jsmooth> Oops. I"m thinking of a different error. It's saying object is not foudn
[01:19] <rbox> what?
[01:20] <jsmooth> I think it means the file
[01:21] <jsmooth> I'm using xampp, so I'll look up the error
[01:23] <jsmooth> Yup! The server is working, but it's not finding wordpress even though I know I put it there.
[01:25] <guiverc> tripstah, what release...  usually if you reverse whatever changes you made you'll end up with whatever you had (except for config changes; which you can usually revert yourself).     (most changes are just configs; as your system may have GTK3 & GTK4 for modern GNOME (which is GTK4 but many apps are still GTK3), Qt5 for KDE or Qt5 apps, even GTK2 for really old apps (LXDE for example)
[01:26] <tripstah> guiverc: it's ubuntu 23.04.
[01:27] <tripstah> i'm a novice ubuntu user.
[01:27] <guiverc> tripstah, I don't see your issue in the pic; or what worries you.. installing packages for another DE can bring in a lot (https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/kinfocenter) ... what really worries you in the pic?
[01:28] <tripstah> guiverc: the graphics changed when i installed kinfocenter.
[01:28] <guiverc> I don't know what you mean by graphics.. is it icons?  (ie a theme which can change)...  if it's that change it back
[01:29] <tripstah> guiverc: the title bar, fonts and all.
[01:33] <guiverc> tripstah, sorry I'm using LXQt currently & my default maybe changed anyway, but https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/how-to-change-ubuntu-desktop-font maybe helpful... settings allow many changes, but gnome-tweaks can be faster
[01:34] <guiverc> (if you have multiple DEs installed; changes to one may impact others because they'll all adjust GTK3, GTK4, Qt5 (even GTK2) settings to match themselves; alas impacted other DE choices you have.. I love many DEs but one I have them installed, I pick options that work in all  (thus my system may not be default)
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[07:11] <lotuspsychje> !ops | rocketbomb
[07:13] <weedmic> wat was dat?
[07:55] <rocketbomb> a
[09:11] <Apachez> weedmic: a cat or somebody falling asleep on their keyboard ;)
[09:43] <Vercas-on-web> Hello. After a recent-ish update of Ubuntu 22.04 on 4 identical machines, I'm having the same problem on all of them. The NIC (using the r8169 driver for an RTL8168h/8111h) keeps crashing, I get a netdev watchdog warning and traffic stops completely.
[09:44] <Vercas-on-web> I've tried booting an older kernel on one of the machines and that didn't help. My next best guess is a firmware issue.
[09:45] <Vercas-on-web> How can I roll back the linux-firmware package? The only instructions I can find tell me to uninstall the package with apt and manually install an older version with dpkg instead.
[09:47] <oerheks> Vercas-on-web, i just read the same issue in 23.04; `pcie_aspm=off` might help https://www.mail-archive.com/kernel-packages@lists.launchpad.net/msg509777.html
[09:48] <Vercas-on-web> oerheks, I'll try that, thank you.
[09:49] <oerheks> and this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2032706
[09:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2032706 in Ubuntu "r8169 transmit queue 0 timed out (after upgrade from kernel 5.x to 6.x)" [Undecided, New]
[09:49] <oerheks> even the bug is about mint, RTL8111/8168/8411
[09:51] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1995147
[09:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1995147 in linux (Ubuntu) "r8169 : eth0 link down after 5 minutes 'kernel: [ ] NETDEV WATCHDOG: enp2s0 (r8169): transmit queue 0 timed out" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[09:52] <oerheks> last one with 5.15 kernel
[09:59] <Vercas-on-web> Wow.
[09:59] <Vercas-on-web> It can take up to a day to get a crash on my machines.
[09:59] <oerheks> kernel 6.2.x ?
[10:00] <Vercas> oerheks, yes.
[10:40] <deadrom> hi
[10:40] <deadrom> the latest Signal desktop client for ubuntu on their site is for xenial, so horribly outdated
[10:41] <deadrom> anyone know what my options are there currently? is there any signal desktop officially atm at all for ubuntu or other generic linux?
[10:44] <jnth> i am using dwm and i have changed the cursor to right_ptr using xsetroot
[10:45] <jnth> but in firefox, it resets to its original shape
[10:45] <jnth> how do i fix it?
[10:48] <deadrom> nvm signal-desktop 6.7.0 works despite the old repos name.
[10:50] <deadrom> jnth: my best guesstimate is the gtk theme firefox uses overrides dwm. do you call ff from cli?
[10:51] <jnth> dmenu
[10:56] <jnth> deadrom: is there a settings.ini configuration for gtk to manually set the cursor shape?
[11:37] <deadrom> jnth: not even sure if there is such fine grained control about theme elements. I think there's a gtk channel that might help... ummm on irc.gnome.org for sure
[11:38] <jnth> okay
[11:39] <deadrom> jnth: out of curiousity: why the effort? it sounds too cosmetic for me to bother. While I get the need for continous look/feel
[11:42] <jnth> it feels weird to use the left shaped cursor when i'm left handed
[11:55] <linux_> Hi, Can somebody help me please. Wireless network keep disconnectin after a while. It says ii is because a timeout of authentication. I set the wifi powersafe to 2 in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf  but it kepps disconnecting.
[11:55] <linux_> kepps=keeps
[12:14] <Swahili> Q: How to make install update commands non interactive? I used to use> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive sudo apt-get  ... but now there's this pink screen coming up all the time which is quite annoying
[12:15] <Swahili> hmm just thought maybe pipe yes | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive -yq etc, I'll try that I guess
[12:18] <wise> hey
[12:19] <geirha> Swahili: sudo is filtering out the env variable so it never reaches apt-get
[12:20] <Swahili> geirha: thanks for looking! So that's why. Interesting. Should I put the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive after sudo ?
[12:20] <geirha> Swahili: you can either edit sudoers to allow DEBIAN_FRONTEND to be passed through, or try  sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get ...
[12:20] <Swahili> geirha: I'll try! Thank you!
[12:21] <scottpedia> Swahili: yeah i think so
[12:21] <Swahili> thanks!
[12:21] <geirha> sudo -E is another option
[12:22] <scottpedia> Swahili: use "export"
[12:22] <geirha> export won't make a difference
[12:22] <scottpedia> "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive"
[12:22] <scottpedia> geirha: it does
[12:22] <Swahili> geirha: how that'd look like for -E
[12:22] <geirha> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=... sudo -E apt-get ...
[12:23] <geirha> scottpedia: they're allready passing it to sudo as an env variable, and sudo rejects it
[12:24] <scottpedia> geirha: idk the way I described just works as it has been working in my auto-deployment script for a long time
[12:24] <geirha> scottpedia: then the default sudoers config has probably changed since then
[12:25] <Swahili> geirha: thanks
[12:26] <geirha> VAR=value cmd   is effectively the same as   export VAR=value ; cmd   just that the latter resets VAR to its original state afterwards, or unsets it if it was unset
[12:26] <geirha> err, *just that the former resets VAR
[12:27] <scottpedia> specifying with export is different from doing so without it
[12:28] <despotic> hey
[12:28] <scottpedia> why do you use export for path then right?
[12:28] <Beladona> Can I have 2 mouse working independantly? Ie two cursors?
[12:29] <oerheks> Beladona, no, but you can have 2 mouse working with 1 cursor
[12:29] <Beladona> oerheks i see. No options of contrary?
[12:30] <oerheks> if you find any, let us know?
[12:31] <oerheks> your already posting in multiple channels
[12:33] <geirha> scottpedia: It's explained under SIMPLE COMMAND EXPANSION in man bash
[12:34] <geirha> "If no command name results, the variable assignments affect the current shell environment.  Otherwise, the variables are added to the  environment  of the executed command and do not affect the current shell environment."
[12:40] <Vercas> oerheks, FWIW the solution with the kernel command-line parameter didn't work.
[12:43] <Beladona> oerheks this but not all desktop env support https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multi-pointer_X
[12:43] <Beladona> I guess
[12:53] <weedmic> oerheks: how did you setup two cursors?  I have a computer with two keyboards, but only one cursor.  I should prefer to have twe.
[12:54] <oerheks> not?
[12:54] <oerheks> but you can have 2 mouse working with 1 cursor
[12:54] <weedmic> oic, Beladona said that and you said one cannot - i am now reading the link
[12:54] <oerheks> and that arch article is somewhat multidesk, 2 screens/mouse/kb on 1 machine
[12:55] <oerheks> or multiseat
[12:57] <ioria> i think you need a dedicated Wayland login manager
[12:57] <ioria> * display manager
[12:58] <ioria> but never been interested so far
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:05] <alkatraz> hi
[13:07] <yuri_boyka> hii
[13:09] <yuri_boyka> hii
[13:11] <redlegion> hii
[13:13] <yuri_boyka> hi
[14:02] <despotic> how can i close this tab, man?
[14:02] <leftyfb> despotic: which application?
[14:03] <despotic> irssi
[14:03] <despotic> leftyfb: ^
[14:04] <leftyfb> despotic: did you try the irssi documentation? https://irssi.org/documentation/help/window/
[14:05] <despotic> leftyfb: thanks 👍
[14:39] <cbreak> try /window close
[14:40] <zaggynl> close a tab? pay it off first
[14:41] <mybalzitch> or /wc if you're pressed for time
[14:45]  * enyc meows effortDee 
[14:46] <effortDee> lol
[14:46] <leftyfb> enyc: can we help you with something?
[14:47] <enyc> leftyfb: yes, get packaging / development helpers to reply to my key question in #ubuntu-packaging =)
[14:47] <leftyfb> enyc: that's OT here
[14:48] <oerheks> use mailinglists
[15:22] <meowchow> Dear Ubuntu, when I go to update software in Ubuntu, it manages to detect (sometimes) bios updates for other hardware, like nvme SSD's for example. Is it the proper way to flash firmware, is if Ubuntu Updates automatically detects firmware updates?
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | meowchow
[15:23] <meowchow> Is that the application I should be using to do biosupdates?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> sorry meowchow the bot seems down atm
[15:23] <meowchow> iz ok
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> meowchow: some computer models would drag in firmware versions via software centre
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> like some lenovo models
[15:24] <meowchow> That is surprising to me. Ubuntu, out of ALL distros, is the only one that detected an SSD firmware update on my lenovo laptop, you are right.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> the methods depend on the brand
[15:24] <meowchow> ok
[15:24] <meowchow> It installed ok.
[15:24] <meowchow> firmware is now updated according to disks. is that generally safe to do?
[15:24] <oerheks> https://fwupd.org/ is pretty good
[15:25] <meowchow> oerheks: thankx
[15:25] <oerheks> if it was not safe, these bid brands would not have joined
[15:25] <oerheks> bid/big
[15:26] <meowchow> Fair. It was a Samsung SSD, but a rarer 2242
[15:28] <enyc> meowchow: theres something called fwupd  yes
[15:28] <meowchow> ok. Is that preinstalled?
[15:29] <enyc> depends on the ubuntu version and image used etc
[15:29] <oerheks> that is the tool in updates you just used
[15:29] <meowchow> ok. I just updated the system, and saw it update the ssd firmware.
[15:29] <meowchow> This was about a month ago now, but it hasn't had any issues.
[15:33] <meowchow> so do I just run "fwupd" as another application in terminal, or?
[15:34] <oerheks> long story https://askubuntu.com/questions/1394105/how-can-i-upgrade-my-device-firmware-from-the-command-line
[15:34] <meowchow> oerheks: You rock, thanks for sharing that link
[15:34] <oerheks> fwupdmgr get-updates
[15:34] <meowchow> I figured I would have to boot from windows, just to do firmware updates
[15:35] <oerheks> that is so 2021 ..
[15:35] <meowchow> lol
[15:36] <meowchow>  WD BLACK SN770 500GB
[15:36] <meowchow> Devices with the latest available firmware version:
[15:36] <meowchow>  • SAMSUNG MZALQ256HBJD-00BL1
[15:36] <meowchow> No updates available for remaining devices
[15:36] <oerheks> have fun!
[15:37] <meowchow> oerheks: Thanks for sharing that, as well as the terminal command. That makes it REALLY easy for me to do on all machines, thanks.
[17:31] <blizzow> I have been bitten multiple times by having an out of date app because it was installed via apt instead of snap. The latest problem for me was with thunderbird. I know if I ask how to prevent this, I'd get a bunch of "use snap install foopackage". It seems there is no end in sight for having two package managers and this makes me sad.
[17:34] <leftyfb> blizzow: the apt package is considered stable and patched by Ubuntu maintainers. The Thunderbird snap is always kept up to date by Mozilla
[18:06] <eagle> wtf is this
[18:07] <leftyfb> !ubuntu | eagle
[18:07] <eagle> !ubuntu
[18:07] <enyc> leftyfb: I think the bot may be broken not sure
[18:07] <leftyfb> eagle: This is an Ubuntu support channel
[18:07] <enyc> eagle: HexChat 2.16.0 / Linux 5.15.0-83-generic [x86_64/2.40GHz/SMP]
[18:08] <enyc> 'eagle in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS ?
[18:08] <leftyfb> they left
[18:08] <enyc> lol
[18:25] <webchat14> When security fixes are backported, is it normal to see the original unpatched version reported by the tool?  For example, 'openssl version' says 1.1.1f and 'apt-cache policy openssl' says: Installed: 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.19 which contains fixes for several CVEs.  I'm trying to determine how to show that a security scanner reporting the original
[18:25] <webchat14> version is incorrect, or whether I'm incorrect that the fix has been installed
[18:26] <leftyfb> webchat14: the reporting tool is the issue
[18:27] <leftyfb> webchat14: just checking the packages version isn't adequate, especially with Ubuntu/Debian packages
[18:30] <webchat14> Thanks - so they should be doing some type of fingerprinting/hashing of the files to detect accurately I'm guessing
[18:30] <leftyfb> webchat14: if you ask me, they should be checking for the vulnerability, not versions and assuming. But that's OT here
[19:06] <plastikman> woot finally migrated my VPS to ubuntu
[21:04] <Anonamy> Hi So I am trying to put Ubuntu on a USB stick and make it bootable. (Xubuntu 22.04 specifically).
[21:04] <Anonamy> I have a USB stick that is fat32 formatted
[21:04] <Anonamy> I have tried two methods to put the .iso file onto the USB stick, one is using 'dd' , the other is using a program called unetbootin
[21:05] <Anonamy> neither of them work.
[21:05] <Anonamy> I used gparted to format the usb to fat32. Do I need to make special partitions or something ?
[21:07] <oerheks> no need to partition at all, dd should work, with sync
[21:09] <oerheks> sudo dd if=/<name>.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M status=progress && sync
[21:09] <oerheks> status=progress could be added
[21:15] <leftyfb> Anonamy: if you're using ubuntu, just open the "Startup Disk Creator" application