[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <ogayot> o/
[15:01] <zhsj> o/
[15:01] <bdrung> \o
[15:02] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:02] <dviererbe> o/
[15:02] <upils> o/
[15:02] <bdrung> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:03] <bdrung> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:03] <bdrung> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-14-sep-2023/38635
[15:04] <bdmurray> With the -security pocket fix will that end up in the jammy version of the snap?
[15:04] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:04] <bdmurray> ogayot: ^^
[15:05] <ogayot> bdmurray: when the snap is promoted to latest/stable, it should
[15:05] <bdrung> bdmurray, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/autopkgtest/+git/development/+merge/450971 - jq will be much better at parsing json and spitting out what you want
[15:06] <bdmurray> bdrung: Yes, see the line above. We are just sorting out issues installing jq in the charms...
[15:06] <ogayot> or a more specific channel if there is one for jammy - but the intention is indeed to have a refresh available for jammy
[15:06] <bdmurray> I just don't want to have to think about this in February
[15:06] <adrien> \o
[15:07] <adrien> zhsj: I love OCaml :)
[15:07] <bdmurray> waveform: Started filling out release notes for mantic - yeah \o/
[15:08] <zhsj> adrien: 😯😯
[15:11] <schopin> zhsj: if that's about the ocaml thing, it's oddly popular among French programmers, because it's widely used as a teaching language.
[15:12] <bdmurray> I wish discourse would tell me the bug title on mouseover
[15:16] <bdrung> all finished reading?
[15:17] <adrien> zhsj: I don't have much time to checkout that and debug it but overall the debian ocaml team is very good; I'd be surprised this isn't already noticed and planned
[15:19] <zhsj> adrien: same error in debian, and liquidsoap has been removed testing. Debian bug #1042099
[15:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Debian bug 1042099 in src:liquidsoap "liquidsoap FTBFS: Error: This expression has type ... but an expression was expected of type" [Serious, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1042099
[15:20] <zhsj> actually it's no longer problem for nbs, as it has been removed from mantic-release. i'm just on an old nbs.html when i did the work
[15:22] <vorlon> upils: discourse pointedly reminds me to say welcome :)
[15:22] <upils> thanks :)
[15:22] <bdrung> zhsj, you mentioned https://code.launchpad.net/~zhsj/ubuntu/+source/libevent/+git/libevent/+merge/451102 which is not sponsored yet but it does not appear on https://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[15:23] <schopin> bdrung: he pinged us directly in -devel
[15:23] <vorlon> upils: could be helpful if you give us a realname mapping in your IRC client and discourse profile
[15:24] <adrien> zhsj: unfortunately the debian release schedule is not the same as ours :'(   I'd need to checkout the sources and build myself which I can maybe do tomorrow
[15:25] <zhsj> adrien: awesome
[15:27] <bdrung> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:27] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:27] <bdrung> bug #2034986
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2034986 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "some text became unreadable during a distribution upgrade" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034986
[15:28] <bdmurray> vorlon suggested I report that
[15:28] <vorlon> \o/
[15:29] <vorlon> longstanding issue where fonts go wonky after things are upgraded on disk
[15:29] <vorlon> my 10,000ft suspicion is that it's triggered by the update to the system fontconfig cache
[15:29] <vorlon> but I don't really *know*; I just know that it's a recurring issue
[15:30] <bdrung> I have seen such behaviour on upgrade in the past as well
[15:31] <vorlon> if we can put some time into investigating it this cycle, that will serve us for 24.04
[15:31] <vorlon> because if it happens on 23.04->23.10 it will also happen on 22.04->24.04
[15:33] <bdrung> I agree that we will expect that bug to appear on 22.04->24.04
[15:33] <bdmurray> I also agree it should be sorted
[15:34] <vorlon> ok let's take it \o/
[15:36] <bdrung> next: bug #2033440
[15:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033440 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Mantic) "ubuntu-desktop: unnecessary hard 'Depends: pipewire-audio'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033440
[15:36] <vorlon> that's a desktop team decision
[15:36] <vorlon> also, it's targeted to mantic
[15:36] <vorlon> so the tag should be cleared
[15:37] <vorlon> also I would wontfix it if it were me
[15:37] <bdrung> it targets lunar and mantic.
[15:38] <bdrung> leaving it for the desktop team (ubuntu-meta is in their list as well)
[15:38] <vorlon> ok there's ambiguity about whether removing the tag drops it from the desktop team's incoming queue
[15:39] <bdrung> next: bug #2034759
[15:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2034759 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "riscv64 and generic preinstalled images use default ubuntu:ubuntu user where no other images do" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034759
[15:40] <vorlon> there was clarification that they set a default l/p but disable ssh password authentication
[15:41] <vorlon> and in fact I thought riscv64 was worse that pi but it was the other way around :)
[15:41] <sil2100> +1 on that. I'd love us using ubuntu-image for riscv64 images too
[15:42] <vorlon> anyway I think this is not actionable for mantic
[15:42] <vorlon> because "make riscv64 as good as pi" was what I meant and there's nothing to be done
[15:43] <vorlon> I'm fine to just close it invalid
[15:43] <sil2100> Would like to revisit this for nn though
[15:44] <vorlon> sil2100: I think we need to sink with local-optimum before we could commit to anything
[15:44] <vorlon> sink?
[15:44] <vorlon> sync
[15:45] <sil2100> Let's do that :) I might forget though..!
[15:45] <vorlon> it's basically only solvable if we integrate console-conf (or equivalent) + give users a good UX for preseeding
[15:45] <vorlon> which is out of scope for livecd-rootfs
[15:45] <waveform> I should add some context in that bug (the livecd-rootfs bits haven't been used on the pi for a loooong time now; our defaults for that have been set in the cloud-init seed)
[15:46] <sil2100> waveform: it's all in the raspi-settings package, right?
[15:46] <vorlon> waveform: please do
[15:46] <vorlon> bdmurray: next?
[15:46] <vorlon> eh
[15:46] <vorlon> bdrung: next?
[15:46] <sil2100> Ah, I guess in the gadget..?
[15:46] <waveform> no -- most of the hacks from livecd-rootfs migrated there, but the initial authentication settings have been in the cloud-init seed (from the gadget) for yonks
[15:47] <bdrung> next: bug #2034986
[15:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2034986 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Mantic) "some text became unreadable during a distribution upgrade" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034986
[15:47] <bdmurray> We talked about that.
[15:48] <bdrung> yes
[15:48] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:48] <bdrung> nothing there for us
[15:49] <bdrung> but there are three under unknown
[15:49] <bdrung> for timidity, virtualbox, and marco
[15:50] <vorlon> we can take that out of band and follow up with the taggers that they're following a process that won't work for them
[15:50] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:50] <vorlon> (I'll do that)
[15:51] <bdrung> bug #1990798
[15:51] <bdmurray> heh, one is tagged champagne
[15:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798
[15:52] <bdrung> it is incomplete and with pro team, skip
[15:53] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:53] <bdrung> nothing for foundation, but 13 in unknown category
[15:53] <bdrung> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:53] <bdrung> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:54]  * bdrung hands over the baton to vorlon
[15:54] <liushuyu> I can probably take one proposed-migration
[15:54] <vorlon> s390-tools*: MIR.  schopin, is this still on your todo?
[15:54] <schopin> There aren't that many to take :)
[15:54] <schopin> vorlon: yes :)
[15:55] <vorlon> ginggs isn't here to make cards for us, but maybe you want to make one manually for tracking if you don't already have one?
[15:55] <vorlon> llvm-toolchain-15 is "just" waiting for a riscv64 build, nothing to do
[15:55] <schopin> I might actually have several -_-
[15:55] <vorlon> haha
[15:55] <vorlon> glibc is blocking linux-raspi-meta, I'll take a look at that
[15:55] <vorlon> done
[15:55] <vorlon> bdrung:
[15:56] <bdrung> #topic AOB
[15:56] <bdrung> zsh 5.9-5 FTBFS on i386. Someone could look at that.
[15:57] <vorlon> any volunteers?
[15:57] <liushuyu> I can take a look
[15:57] <bdrung> undefined reference to `fmod'
[15:57] <liushuyu> (probably another fp math issue?)
[15:57] <adrien> ah, doko pushed an update to strace but I'm surprised he didn't hit the same build issue as I did
[16:00] <bdrung> Speak now or forever hold your peace.
[16:00] <ogayot> adrien: the changelog entry says: "New upstream version, fixing FTBFS". So maybe he did?
[16:01] <bdrung> 3
[16:01] <bdrung> 2
[16:01] <bdrung> 1
[16:01] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:01:31 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-14-15.02.moin.txt
[16:01] <adrien> ogayot: the ftbfs was "expected" for all arches due to the new kernel and I think that's what he's refering to  but then I also had a build issue specifically for arm64 (which I had on LP builders and pi4)