[21:07] <snd> Eickmeyer: heya, just uploaded lsp-plugins 1.2.11 to unstable :)
[21:09] <cjdg> ohh thats great!!! will test them!
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Likely not to land in Ubuntu until the repo opens for n-n. snd was talking about Debian. It's too late in the cycle for them to get in for mantic.
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> snd: Yeah, I got the upload email. Thanks!  :)
[21:18] <cjdg> im using debian also, 
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> Oh, perfect then! So, it will be in unstable if you wish to test.
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> I might even be able to create a special testing PPA if we really want to get dirty for Ubuntu.
[21:19] <cjdg> thats the one im runing
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> Excellent.
[21:20] <cjdg> unfortunally, one of the packages im using, sonic pi, only works with debian unstable
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> Does sonic pi not work on Ubuntu?
[21:21] <cjdg> nope
[21:21]  * Eickmeyer blinks
[21:22] <cjdg> actually takes a little bit to make it work on debian desktop
[21:23] <cjdg> at least no with non lts, specially if you use pipewire
[21:23] <cjdg> and right now, im not going back from pw
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> In mantic (if you're testing) you should be able to disable pipewire-jack using Ubuntu Studio Audio Config on-the-fly.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Then use pure JACK using qjackctl.
[21:27] <cjdg> yes but being honest, i love a lot pw
[21:27] <cjdg> XD
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> It's only a matter of time until pipewire-jack gets the kinks worked out and becomes fully-compatible.
[21:30] <cjdg> right now for the pis I use jack, and desktops only pw
[21:30] <cjdg> mostly because openframeworks, processing, pd and supercollider packages depends a lot of jack
[21:31] <cjdg> but being honest, im quite more than happy with pw on desktops
[21:32] <cjdg> and hope it lands soon on raspbian, it works well on armbian
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> I use pipewire most of the time. I route most of my audio through a computer dedicated to running Harrison Mixbus (a downstream derivative of Ardour) and control the mix via a Behringer X-Touch. If I have to use it as a DAW, I have a USB switch to switch it to my main computer.
[21:34] <cjdg> do you have any recomendation for multi input/output soundcards?
[21:34] <cjdg> i need for a project to have at least 6i/6O but want a linux compatible one
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> I use a Behringer UMC404HD and also have a Behringer UM204. They work great.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> Anything that is class-compliant (works with a Mac) should work out-of-the-box since they're driverless.
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> Overall, I've had great luck with Behringer.
[21:38] <cjdg> wow i was looking at the ones you had
[21:38] <cjdg> they have great features
[21:38] <cjdg> being honest
[21:38] <Eickmeyer> And they're inexpensive.
[21:38] <cjdg> maybe will return to behringer
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> Behringer has a bad reputation from their past, but when MusicTribe bought Midas they upped their game.
[21:39] <cjdg> yes i had that, but being honest
[21:39] <cjdg> many stuff made from behringer worked amazing
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> snd: > Mention that the hurd build still not work *giggle*
[21:40] <cjdg> i have the bcd3000, als o the bcr2000
[21:40] <cjdg> and they still work! and like new
[21:41] <cjdg> plus yesterday i bought one bigfoot an u1 mics
[21:41] <cjdg> and i was surprised about the quality and the price
[21:41] <cjdg> not even m-audio had that quality
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> There's this mentality in the industry that more money = better quality, and that's simply not true. Also, people liked to get on Behringer for copying other products and selling for cheaper, but that's just business and competition.
[21:45] <cjdg> here in mexico we have 2 famous music schools, fermatta and g martell, and they promote to their students to buy the most expensive stuff, but all their music sounds soo flat, and then found what people is doing with almost nothing, 
[21:47] <cjdg> its kinda sad that a lot of people believes that having a very expensive macbook makes you an artist, but if you came with a pi, they kinda doubt you can do something of quality
[21:47] <cjdg> an even, in many projects, they ask you "do you have an apple product"? for giving you a job
[21:49] <cjdg> thanks for the recomendations man, have to leave, kids want to eat, see you later
[21:49] <Eickmeyer> Ok, have a good evening!
[21:50] <cjdg> thanks, today is mexico independence, and kids want me to make pozole
[21:50] <cjdg> XD
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> NICE!
[21:50] <cjdg> so there is a lot of work to make the soup!
[21:51] <cjdg> see ya!
[21:51] <Eickmeyer> o/