[00:26] <vorlon> apw: you removed linux-modules-nvidia-390-lowlatency-hwe-22.04-edge but linux-modules-nvidia-390-lowlatency-hwe-*20*.04-edge is still built and is now uninstallable
[03:02] <apw> vorlon, will square the circle with xnox in the morning ... i don't think i am expecting it to still be built.
[03:15] <kanashiro> ubuntu-archive could you please take a look at docker-buildx and docker-compose-v2 in Focal, Jammy and Lunar? Those are new packages in those releases, and docker-buildx will fix a docker issue once it lands in the archive.
[03:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (jammy-proposed/main) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.14 => 1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.15] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[06:09] <vorlon> apw: ack thanks
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-mediatek-genio (lunar-proposed/multiverse) [3-0ubuntu1~23.04.1 => 4-0ubuntu1~23.04.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[08:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-mediatek-genio (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [3-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 => 4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[09:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware-mediatek-genio [source] (lunar-proposed) [4-0ubuntu1~23.04.1ubuntu1]
[09:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware-mediatek-genio [source] (jammy-proposed) [4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1ubuntu1]
[09:49] <xnox> vorlon: apw: i missed one extra transitional. but it is broken in release, will be gone for real in the next lrm respin
[09:50] <xnox> already commited, as i noticed this today as well.
[09:51] <xnox> vorlon: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/451632 requested review from ubuntu-release
[09:51] <xnox> let me know if you need a bug for that as well.
[09:51] <xnox> (in collab with alberto)
[14:30] <handsome_feng> Hi, release team, could you accept ukwm 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 which fix a fatal error? Thanks a lot!
[14:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alsa-ucm-conf (lunar-proposed/main) [1.2.6.3-1ubuntu9.1 => 1.2.6.3-1ubuntu9.2] (core)
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alsa-ucm-conf (jammy-proposed/main) [1.2.6.3-1ubuntu1.7 => 1.2.6.3-1ubuntu1.8] (core)
[14:53] <sil2100> handsome_feng: Beta freeze is not yet active, so it got accepted automatically o/
[14:53] <sil2100> Hello everyone! I disabled daily build cronjobs just now in preparation for Beta
[14:55] <handsome_feng> @sil2100: That's great
[14:55] <vorlon> ItzSwirlz: so there are conflicts now between ubuntucinnamon-environment and cinnamon-common, breaking the build? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/mantic/ubuntucinnamon/+build/499679
[14:56] <sil2100> vorlon: I already poked ItzSwirlz and Eickmeyer about that, ItzSwirlz will fix this shortly apparently!
[14:56] <vorlon> ok
[14:57] <sil2100> We'll still wait for things to settle before we actually build candidate images, but I guess I'll put the freeze block in place soon
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: If you could wait until after we get ubuntucinnamon-environment uploaded for that fix, it would be appreciated, unless you'll be available so I can bug you for the ack on it.
[15:03] <sil2100> Eickmeyer: I'll make sure it's one way or the other :) Just give me a ping when you upload the package either way
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: ack
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libfprint [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:1.94.3+tod1-0ubuntu2~22.04.06]
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hello (bionic-proposed/main) [2.10-1build3 => 2.10-1build3+test1] (core)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hello (bionic-proposed/main) [2.10-1build3 => 2.10-1build3+test1] (core)
[15:19] <cjwatson> ^ rejecting these - sorry for the noise, but we're deploying a new primary archive upload processor for production so I had to test here
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected hello [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.10-1build3+test1]
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected hello [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.10-1build3+test1]
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> Nice way to say hello. :)
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> sil2100, vorlon: Uploaded ubuntucinnamon-environment with a dpkg-divert on the problematic file.
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> sil2100: Saw your timeout, ubuntucinnamon-environment fix uploaded.
[16:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (lunar-proposed/main) [252.5-2ubuntu3.1 => 252.5-2ubuntu3.2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (jammy-proposed/main) [249.11-0ubuntu3.10 => 249.11-0ubuntu3.11] (core, i386-whitelist)
[17:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: darktable (mantic-proposed/universe) [4.2.1-4 => 4.4.2-1] (ubuntustudio) (sync)
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> Shoot.
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Can somebody update the topic to Archive: Beta Freeze?
[17:16] <Eickmeyer> (I was trying to slip that sync in)
[17:28] <AlsoItzSwirlz> Are cinnamon images rebuliding right now? (and is there a link I can monitor these things)
[17:31] <bdmurray> AlsoItzSwirlz: You could look at the ISO tracker for your product. AFAICT it is not building now.
[17:32] <AlsoItzSwirlz> as long as it builds today im happy
[17:32] <bdmurray> today where? ;-)
[17:32] <fnordahl> dear release team, I wonder if you have a moment to take another look at this ffe bug 2032605. The desired version is now uploaded to Debian and ready to sync as soon as we reach agreement
[17:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2032605 in ovn (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update OVN to new 23.09.0 upstream version" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032605
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: evince (mantic-proposed/main) [45~rc-1 => 45.0-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (mantic-proposed/main) [23.10.41 => 23.10.42] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[17:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.42]
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: orca (mantic-proposed/main) [45~rc-1ubuntu1 => 45.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-calculator (mantic-proposed/main) [1:45.0.1-1ubuntu1 => 1:45.0.2-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[18:49] <vorlon> seb128: well, do we want to bump the desktop image size limit again now
[18:49] <seb128> vorlon, yes...
[18:49] <seb128> at this point we are not expecting another increase for this cycle
 hold my beer
[18:50] <ahasenack> ;)
[18:50] <vorlon> :|
[18:55] <sil2100> Beta freeze is up!
[18:56] <ahasenack> brrrrrr
[18:56] <ahasenack> (frozen sounds)
[18:56] <ahasenack>  /topic
[19:04] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: from last week's discussion https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/+git/ubuntu-cdimage/+merge/451676
[19:06] <xnox> vorlon: did merge proposals "to follow ubuntu desktop" for the merged nvidia seed change in ship pool the top ones from me are outstanding nvidia proposals https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds/+merges?field.status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.status-empty-marker=1
[19:08] <xnox> i don't know if release team wants to merge them anyway, if flavour don't respond about it.
[19:08] <xnox> specifically kylin and cinamon are huge in size because they ship all nvidias ever or like all desktop nvidias ever
[19:08] <xnox> instead of the latest/greatest/best one only.
[19:09] <vorlon> I will generally push seed changes to the flavors myself when there's not a decision to be made, yes
[19:09] <xnox> lunar cinnamon had 5 nvidia releases, and lunar kylin had 9 nvidia releases
[19:10] <xnox> kubuntu had / has 2, which might be their choice because it is one legacy driver and one recent, so sort of ok, and would wait on them to respond.
[19:11] <xnox> or if we force change to only update "the recent one" to actually recent. i.e. 525->535 seed change only
[19:11] <xnox> to avoid "works on ubuntu, fails on kubuntu"
[19:11] <vorlon> xnox: not a blocker, but it would be nice if this could be moved into a ship-live-common in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform
[19:12] <xnox> true
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I approved, but I'm fairly certain I can't perform the merge on that since I'm not part of that team.
[19:19] <vorlon> sure
[19:19] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: just wanted sign-off from you because we hadn't discussed the exact numbers we were adjusting to
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apt-cacher-ng (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.7.4-1build2 => 3.7.4-1build3] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dnsproxy (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.17+git20211129.22329c4-5 => 1.17+git20211129.22329c4-5build1] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fstrm (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.6.1-1build1 => 0.6.1-1build2] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: getstream (mantic-proposed/universe) [20100616-2build2 => 20100616-2build3] (no packageset)
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: sure, figured as much. Looked good.
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bitlbee (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.6-1.3build1 => 3.6-1.3build2] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fvwm3 (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.0.6a+ds-1 => 1.0.6a+ds-1build1] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: farpd (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.2-11.1 => 0.2-11.1build1] (no packageset)
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> xnox: I'm probably going to sign-off on the ubuntucinnamon one there, since I'm fairly certain ItzSwirlz isn't available and we need to get this moving.
[19:21] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: your ubuntucinnamon-environment upload has an extra file in it
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fvwm3 [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.0.6a+ds-1build1]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grok (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.20110708.1-7build1 => 1.20110708.1-7build2] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libevhtp (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.18-2 => 1.2.18-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libopensmtpd (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.7-2build1 => 0.7-2build2] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lua-event (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.4.6-2build1 => 0.4.6-2build2] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted getstream [source] (mantic-proposed) [20100616-2build3]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libmemcached (mantic-proposed/main) [1.1.4-1 => 1.1.4-1build1] (ubuntu-server)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ladvd (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.1.2-2 => 1.1.2-2build1] (no packageset)
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libverto (mantic-proposed/main) [0.3.1-1ubuntu4 => 0.3.1-1ubuntu5] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop)
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Yup, that was my bad. Shouldn't have any impact.
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted farpd [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.2-11.1build1]
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fstrm [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.6.1-1build2]
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: System literally crashed in the middle of updating the changelog.
[19:21] <vorlon> sil2100, bdmurray: ^^ self-approving these no-change rebuilds for the libevent that's waiting in -proposed
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apt-cacher-ng [source] (mantic-proposed) [3.7.4-1build3]
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dnsproxy [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.17+git20211129.22329c4-5build1]
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openbsd-inetd (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.20221205-1 => 0.20221205-1build1] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openiked (mantic-proposed/universe) [7.2-1 => 7.2-1build1] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: poolcounter (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.1.3-2build1 => 1.1.3-2build2] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sslsplit (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.5.5-2.1build1 => 0.5.5-2.1build2] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bitlbee [source] (mantic-proposed) [3.6-1.3build2]
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: opencu (mantic-proposed/universe) [3-3build1 => 3-3build2] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: scanssh (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.1-0ubuntu9 => 2.1-0ubuntu10] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ocproxy (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.60-1build3 => 1.60-1build4] (no packageset)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pgqd (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.5-1 => 3.5-1build1] (no packageset)
[19:22] <vorlon> apparently there were a lot more of them for libevent than for libevent-core and I overlooked this until britney sent me the nag mail :/
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: A consecutive upload will not have that extra file. The debdiff I sent ItzSwirlz doesn't include that file so when he updates his git repo he won't have it.
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted scanssh [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.1-0ubuntu10]
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sstp-client (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.0.18-1 => 1.0.18-1build1] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tgl (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.0.1+git20160323.ffb04cac-3ubuntu3 => 2.0.1+git20160323.ffb04cac-3ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: trickle (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.07-12 => 1.07-12build1] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unworkable (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.53-5build3 => 0.53-5build4] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sslsplit [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.5.5-2.1build2]
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tmate (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2build1 => 2.4.0-2build2] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ustreamer (mantic-proposed/universe) [4.9-1build1 => 4.9-1build2] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: telegram-cli (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3.1+git20160323.6547c0b21-3.1 => 1.3.1+git20160323.6547c0b21-3.1build1] (no packageset)
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tvoe (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.1-1build3 => 0.1-1build4] (no packageset)
[19:23] <vorlon> sil2100, bdmurray: ^^ oops no the bot will autoaccept these for me anyway
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openiked [source] (mantic-proposed) [7.2-1build1]
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted poolcounter [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.1.3-2build2]
[19:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pgqd [source] (mantic-proposed) [3.5-1build1]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ocproxy [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.60-1build4]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted opencu [source] (mantic-proposed) [3-3build2]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openbsd-inetd [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.20221205-1build1]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: watchcatd (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-4 => 1.2.1-4build1] (no packageset)
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libevhtp [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.18-2build1]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lua-event [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.4.6-2build2]
[19:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libopensmtpd [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.7-2build2]
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grok [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.20110708.1-7build2]
[19:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ladvd [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.1.2-2build1]
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Thanks for the merge on ubuntucinnamon, I was just about to do it. :)
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unworkable [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.53-5build4]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted watchcatd [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.1-4build1]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ustreamer [source] (mantic-proposed) [4.9-1build2]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sstp-client [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.0.18-1build1]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tgl [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.1+git20160323.ffb04cac-3ubuntu4]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted trickle [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.07-12build1]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted telegram-cli [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.3.1+git20160323.6547c0b21-3.1build1]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tvoe [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.1-1build4]
[19:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tmate [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.4.0-2build2]
[19:33] <bdmurray> vorlon: libverto and libmemcached are in the unapproved queue, do you want them accepted before building images?
[19:33] <RikMills> vorlon: xnox merged for kubuntu
[19:33] <vorlon> bdmurray: they don't need to be in for beta, but we should accept them and let them build
[19:33] <vorlon> RikMills: ah cheers
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libmemcached [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.1.4-1build1]
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libverto [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.3.1-1ubuntu5]
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-software (mantic-proposed/universe) [45~rc-1ubuntu1 => 45.0-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-budgie, xubuntu)
[19:58] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-cacher-ng/3.7.4-1build3 grrr
[20:00] <vorlon> sergiodj: hi, ^^ this is all fallout from libevent which was a +1 maintenance thing from last week; we synced libevent dropping Ubuntu delta to fix a FTBFS, but that requires no-change rebuilds of revdeps, and now apt-cacher-ng has an Ubuntu-specific FTBFS because of new glibc
[20:02] <ahasenack> ...and it's not symbol-related
[20:03] <ahasenack> hmm, although...
[20:04] <ahasenack> HAVE_STRLCPY is mentioned :)
[20:16] <sergiodj> vorlon: thanks, I'll have a look tomorrow
[22:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] (20230919.1) has been added
[22:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Xubuntu Minimal amd64 [Mantic Beta] (20230919.3) has been added
[23:11] <ItzSwirlz> xnox, would you like me to update ubuntucinnamon-meta with the nvidia driver thingy?
[23:11] <ItzSwirlz> (im a radeon user so i dont understand these things..(
[23:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: malcontent (mantic-proposed/universe) [0.11.0-4 => 0.11.1-1] (ubuntu-budgie, xubuntu) (sync)
[23:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dvd-slideshow (mantic-proposed/multiverse) [0.8.6.1-1.1 => 0.8.6.1-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dvd-slideshow [sync] (mantic-proposed) [0.8.6.1-2]
[23:14] <vorlon> Eickmeyer, ItzSwirlz: cinnamon build failed, again, because thumbnail.png is not the only file conflict (latest failure is /usr/share/cinnamon/thumbnails/cinnamon/unknown.png)
[23:14] <vorlon> someone should do a local test install of this before uploading again
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> ItzSwirlz: That's going to have to be you.
[23:15] <ItzSwirlz> yep
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> ItzSwirlz: WRT the nvidia driver thing, that doesn't need to be updated in meta. It's a ship-live seed thing which only affects the iso image.
[23:16] <ItzSwirlz> cool
[23:47] <amurray> hey release team - would anyone be able to take a look at the apparmor ffe in LP: #2036128 - thanks ☺️
[23:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2036128 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "[FFe] enable unprivileged user namespace restrictions by default for mantic" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036128
[23:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop (Legacy) amd64 [Mantic Beta] (20230919.1) has been added
[23:56] <bdmurray> amurray: The members of the release team that are around right now are working on building images for the Beta.
[23:57] <bdmurray> Well or at least I am. ;-)
[23:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] (20230919) has been added
[23:59] <amurray> bdmurray: fair enough - I was hoping to land this in the beta to get wider testing (although it looks like the required kernel is still in -proposed so perhaps that wouldn't have mattered anyway)