[00:33] <elyograg> timezones. :)  15:01 < gordonjcp> at nearly 10pm on a Sunday? No, no-one here
[00:33] <elyograg> timezones. :)  15:01 < gordonjcp> at nearly 10pm on a Sunday? No, no-one here
[00:33] <elyograg> oops.  didn't mean to send that twice.
[01:42] <KeyserSoze> exit
[06:09] <FieryCore> Anybody there
[07:17] <Guest32> I'm an Arch user, but use Ubuntu on an sd-card for emergency recovery purposes. I was going to re-make my sd-card with a newer version, but was shocked to see the torrent state the size was going to be ~5GB...
[07:18] <Guest32> I have v16 from 2017 that is 1.5GB and v20 from 2021 that is 2.7GB. Is that 5GB legit?
[07:19] <Guest32> I also re-downloaded the v20 torrent file to see what size claim it would say and it says 4.4GB. That's quite different from the 2.7GB I already have. How'd a revision get that much bigger?
[08:27] <Your_Dog> Guest32: No it isn't
[08:28] <Your_Dog> Even 22.04 is 3.7GB
[08:52] <ravage> there will be a mini iso for 24.04 again
[12:08] <_spk_> morning, I seem to have an issue with snap on 23.04 following moving home directory to a different zpool - it is still mounted under /home/<user> though
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:47] -LiberaAGP:#ubuntu- new 23.10 yeah
[13:06] <Yakov> how to test if I'm using wayland?
[13:10] <zniavre> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[13:10] <zniavre> Yakov, *
[13:41] <Square3> Wayland is default in Ubuntu 22.04 right?
[13:42] <tomreyn> Square3: i think so. maybe not for nvidia.
[13:53] <kzoo> hello, am on 18.04.. today was investigating where my ram is going to. I noticed that even though i am using icewm , there is still an instance of gnome-shell and xwayland running
[13:54] <leftyfb> kzoo: time to upgrade. 18.04 is EOL
[13:55] <kzoo> rebooted and logged into gnome shell, now there are 2 instances.. when gdm is launched.. there is an instance of gnome-shell already running under user gdm.. why?
[13:55] <kzoo> leftyfb, i know.. its a major task.. and this system is very old so upgrading will make it run even slower
[13:56] <leftyfb> unlikely
[13:56] <leftyfb> Ubuntu != Windows
[13:56] <kzoo> is it normal behaviour to be running 2 sessions of gnome-shell?
[13:56] <kzoo> and xwayland
[13:57] <kzoo> maybe you are right... as long i dont use gnome.. gnome [13:58] <leftyfb> except that isn't what I said at all
[14:00] <kzoo> i can drop my work and upgrade now atm.. not this week anyway.. anyone know if installing lightdm will fix this issue?
[14:01] <kzoo> *cant drop
[14:01] <nteodosio> kzoo, not sure, but as a Icewm user couldn't you just go without a login manager? https://askubuntu.com/q/16371
[14:02] <nteodosio> You can also test it without reboot by running 'systemctl stop gdm' and then manually running 'startx /bin/icewm-session'.
[14:02] <nteodosio> That will kill the existing session though.
[14:04] <kzoo> nteodosio, interesting idea.. one problem is i do boot into gnome on occassion because some of the settings apps don't work properly in icewm (iirc)
[14:05] <nteodosio> Yeah setting up all the shenanigans manually can be a pain, and many programs indeed just assume they are in place.
[14:05] <nteodosio> I'd then give SDDM a try. Really no reason for it to spawn Gnome Shell.
[14:07] <kzoo> nteodosio, is sddm a better alternative to lightdm?
[14:08] <qb> yo
[14:08] <nteodosio> Ah, that was just lack of attention. I do use Sddm when I want to make sure the full environment is setup and I'm pretty sure there is no Gnome Shell involved.
[14:09] <nteodosio> Lightdm might be similar, I cannot tell.
[14:09] <raffo> If you're the only user, just pick a light weight display manager, even xdm should do be ok.
[14:16] <kzoo> 277 mb .. whew
[14:20] <nteodosio> What is that number, kzoo? What Gnome Shell was taking?
[14:23] <kzoo> nteodosio, sorry no .. space sddm is demanding to install
[14:25] <nteodosio> Ah, I'd be surprised... kzoo, I guess it's all Qt stuff. Try Xdm then, not so fun to configure if you have more than one window manager though.
[14:26] <kzoo> nteodosio, yah it looks like qtstuff mostly.. trying lightdm (slickgreeter) instead
[15:04] <aruns> !search The.Day.of.The.Jackal
[15:05] <aruns> Whoops, wrong channel
[15:05] <kbdlnx> aruns oooff!
[15:05] <kbdlnx> @aruns OOOFFF!
[15:08] <kzoo> well using lightdm has fixed the issue
[15:28] <pablo_> Hello
[17:29] <throwthecheese> How do I make maliit work on my system?
[17:30] <throwthecheese> I switched to KDE about a month ago and the only thing I couldn't quite set up is the screen keyboard
[17:35] <throwthecheese> As far as I know the only one that integrates with KDE is maliit, but I can't get it work by setting the input method env var
[17:40] <locke> When I do a su in unbuntu, it says that the password I give is incorrect. But it's the password I log into ubuntu with.
[17:41] <rbox> its asking for the root password
[17:41] <rbox> sudo asks for your user password
[17:42] <rjwiii> Try this: "sudo su" and enter your user password.
[17:42] <rbox> lol
[17:43] <ioria> locke, ' When called with no user specified, su defaults to running an interactive shell as root' ;butby default root password is not set on ubuntu
[17:44] <leftyfb> locke: do not set a root password. Use sudo su
[17:45] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: you need to contact the maliit vendor for support with that 3rd party application
[17:48] <tomreyn> throwthecheese: (while it's fine to ask here,) #kubuntu may be the better place to ask kde related questions.
[18:11] <LnxGnome> re: systemd-networkd, is there anything special I need to do to get networkd to recognize InfiniBand parameters?  Errors show up in the journal and the IPoIB interfaces are not getting configured.  Errors are like "Not a valid MAC address, ignoring" or "Unknown section 'IPoIB', ignoring" and "ibbond0: Reducing the requested MTU 65520 to the interface's maximum MTU 1500".  The IFs should be in connected mode, but when I check in /sys/class/net/ib*/mode,
[18:11] <LnxGnome> datagram mode.
[18:17] <LnxGnome> btw, it's Ubunut Server 22.04.03 LTS
[18:43] <anddam> howdy, I have two versions of a binary lib, one depends on python3.7 and the other on python3.9 . I am running a 20.04 and default repos provides 3.8
[18:44] <rbox> you can use pyenv to install alternative versions of python
[18:44] <anddam> is installing 3.7/3.9 from another source (I see ppa:deadsnakes/ppa as first results) a resonable approach or should I dist-upgrade?
[18:45] <anddam> rbox: I know, thanks I'd rather use binary packages
[18:45] <rbox> dist-upgrade as in switch to a different version of ubuntu? you want to switch your version of your os just for a single package?
[18:45] <rbox> okay fine, go through a bunch of hoops instead of do it  the sane way
[18:45] <anddam> the sane way being pyenv?
[18:45] <anddam> what about the third party repo?
[18:46] <rbox> what about it
[18:46] <rbox> if you trust packages from random people
[18:46] <rbox> go for it
[18:46] <anddam> is that sane or insane
[18:46] <anddam> ok, like you or anybody checks source of every package they ever compile
[18:47] <anddam> we are all playing a game of trust here
[18:47] <rbox> i trust the source of python
[18:47] <rbox> i dont fully trust random binaries from random people
[18:59] <BinarySavior> Hello, using Ubuntu Online accounts, I logged into my Nextcloud account and I am able to sync my calendar, but not another user's calendar who shared theirs with me. However, if I use Evolution's account UI to add my account, then I _can_ sync the shared calendar. It seems that Ubuntu "Online Accounts" isn't picking up the shared calendars on my nextcloud instance/account
[18:59] <BinarySavior> this is Ubuntu 20.04
[19:14] <tomreyn> LnxGnome: the codename for 22.04 is "jammy" - the relevant man page is https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man5/systemd.network.5.html - this man page does not mention a section "[IPoIB]" (whereas that of later releases does)
[19:15] <tomreyn> this may suggest that the systemd(-networkd) version in 22.04 does not support this interface type.
[19:16] <tomreyn> the "jammy" man page was generated from systemd_249.11-0ubuntu3_amd64
[19:28] <anddam> oh nvm, seems 20.04 has 3.9 in universe https://askubuntu.com/a/1398569/1654482
[19:30] <Apachez> when using apt-get, is it possible to only install a single file from a package?
[19:31] <Apachez> like if I want to install "strip" from "binutils-common" but not ALL the files that "bintuils-common" includes ?
[19:31] <tomreyn> LnxGnome: it seems that systemd 249 already had *some* infiniband-support, but seeing how 246 still had "The arp_type [..] just hardcoded to ARPHRD_ETHER in multiple places" (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/17322#issuecomment-715924903) I'm not sure if 22.04's system 249 was fully ready for IPoIB, yet.
[19:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 17322 in systemd/systemd "networkd: DHCP on InfiniBand(IPoIB) interface does not work" [Closed]
[19:31] <leftyfb> !info bindutils-commomn
[19:31] <leftyfb> !info bindutils-common
[19:32] <Apachez> !info binutils-common
[19:33] <rbox> Apachez: no
[19:33] <rbox> but you're worried about a 565kb package?
[19:33] <Apachez> yeah for an embedded system where I only need to append strip and not the other tools
[19:33] <rbox> then run a script once you're done building your systm ethat strips out whaever you dont want
[19:33] <leftyfb> it's half a megabyte
[19:34] <rbox> or use a proper embedded dist
[19:34] <Apachez> I thought one could select just a single file from a package similar to how you can "lock" to a specific version
[19:34] <leftyfb> nope
[19:34] <rbox> what made you think that
[19:37] <Apachez> I thought apt was a competent package installer with ability to select parts of a package aswel
[19:37] <Apachez> aswell
[19:38] <leftyfb> Apachez: what other package manager lets you install only a single file from a package from a repository?
[19:40] <Apachez> Im not asking about other packet managers, Im asking about the capabilities of apt-get
[19:40] <rbox> lol
[19:41] <leftyfb> Apachez: as far as I'm aware, the feature you're asking for doesn't exist in any package manager for any operating system
[19:51] <Apachez> leftyfb: too bad, only options then seems to create a custom script to download the deb file, extract it and then manually place the file and finally throw away both the deb and the extracted directory
[19:51] <tomreyn> Apachez: i think the closest you could get to what you're looking for is to apt download a binary package, extract it, copy files from it into place. but that's really bad practice on a system which uses a package manager. or you could build your custom package providing just the one file and use "equivs" to sort out package interdependencies (and apt pinning to prevent this package from getting overriden). but that's pretty ugly as well,
[19:51] <tomreyn> especially for such an important package.
[19:52] <Apachez> yeah I was hoping to avoid those manual workarounds (even if scripted)
[19:53] <Apachez> would have been nifty if something like    sudo apt-get packagename[include:binary1]  or similar (and "exclude:" if one want to install the full package but exclude one of the files)
[19:54] <tomreyn> as someone else mentioned previously, you should probably choose a different distribution for your embedded OS needs.
[19:55] <tomreyn> there is https://elbe-rfs.org/ if you are looking for something debian-like, but i have no experience with it
[19:56] <tomreyn> see also https://www.get-edi.io/Debian-for-Embedded-Systems/
[19:58] <tomreyn> or you could talk to canonical about https://ubuntu.com/embedded
[20:05] <apm70> how to watch utube in fullmode and hide small square with streamer face?
[20:06] <rbox> not sure what that has to do with ubuntu
[20:07] <apm70> maybe some ubuntu white magic :)
[20:14] <leftyfb> apm70: that's not a thing
[21:20] <topcat001> apm70: maybe you want yt-dlp?
[21:24] <tekisui> Hello, would ubuntu touch run on a hammer II ?
[21:25] <tomreyn> !touch | tekisui
[21:25] <tekisui> MediaTek MT6276W
[21:25] <tekisui> Oh
[21:32] <tekisui> Well i still have ny trusty nokia
[21:32] <tekisui> 7 years old now
[21:33] <tomreyn> !ot | tekisui
[21:33] <tekisui> No need for any tweaks :p
[22:08] <davros1> Broken install .. I've got a 256gb drive - main 192gb partition with an ubuntu install - fails to boot. Secondary partition - another ubuntu install - this boots fine and I can look at the main partition data. Before I backup & re-install everything .. any other things to try ?
[22:08] <davros1> I've done "update grub"
[22:09] <davros1> I'm wondering if I interrupted it mid update or something like that
[22:09] <davros1> I can boot into 'root/recovery mode' in the main install
[22:10] <jeremy31> davros1: try a sudo update-grub from the one that does boot
[22:10] <EriC^^> davros1: what happens when you normally boot and di dyou try and older kernel
[22:10] <davros1> jeremy31, yeah I've done that . And it did update the grub menu
[22:11] <davros1> So I get the grub menu. The default install (192gb partition) is the broken one. I navigate to the secondary partition , and I can boot into that just fine
[22:12] <jeremy31> davros1: listen to EriC^^, likely better than me with this
[22:14] <davros1> Anyway i'm not in peril here .. I can copy everything from the 192gb partition onto a USB drive , and probably just re-install the 192gb partition...
[22:14] <davros1> But I wondered if there's a way to do it inplace .. "reinstall ubuntu in this partition whilst keeping all the data there"
[22:15] <jeremy31> davros1: Ubuntu boot repair might be an option
[22:15] <leftyfb> davros1: what release of ubuntu are you trying to recover?
[22:15] <davros1> 20 something
[22:15] <davros1> 20-10 I think
[22:16] <leftyfb> I really hope it's not 20.10
[22:16] <davros1> I think its 20.10
[22:16] <EriC^^> davros1: what happens when you try boot boot normally, any did you try the recovery kernel?
[22:16] <leftyfb> I would strongly recommend the re-install since that went out of support almost 3 years ago
[22:17] <EriC^^> davros1: if you press esc while its booting it should show what it's doing while booting
[22:18] <EriC^^> *recovery kernel i meant older kernel
[22:18] <davros1> Heh just for context. One thing thats making me dread re-intall is .. its got PyTorch/cuda etc .. and I remember that being a nightmare to get working lol. But the guides are out there
[22:18] <davros1> I have a second computer that I'm on right now (Mac mini). And another spare.. I have other places to keep things running
[22:20] <EriC^^> davros1: you're literally just ranting and not responding to support questions
[22:30] <kostkon> davros1, if you can afford a reinstall just go with it, 20.10 is eol anyways as EriC^^ has said already. Unless there's important data on it
[22:30] <kostkon> or probably leftyfb
[22:43] <davros1> (Backups & download of 23.04 in progress)
[22:45] <leftyfb> davros1: mind you, 23.04 will be unsupported in January
[22:46] <leftyfb> davros1: I would recommend installing 22.04 which will be supported until 2027
[22:47] <davros1> Ok thanks
[22:54] <cores> i'm on ubuntu 20.04 and i have a usb-c mini doc connected to a dell xps 13. when i plug my monitor into the displayport on the usb hub, it is recognized. when i plug my monitor into the hdmi port in the usb hub, it is not recognized. what commands can i use to see what's going on? 'lsusb' doesn't show anything monitor related.
[22:58] <tomreyn> cores: you can always keep a logtail running against the systemd journal, and see what is logged when you try to connect the monitor one or the other way:  journalctl -f
[22:59] <tomreyn> cores: but this is more likely an issue on the hardware layer where you'd need debugging hardware to understand why the signal is not coming through the dock.
[23:00] <cores> yeah that's what i'm starting to fear
[23:00] <cores> i thought everything would be plug and play like it is with the thunderbolt dock i have
[23:00] <tomreyn> some docks allow for firmware upgrades
[23:00] <cores> but i actually don't remember if i tried hdmi on the tb dock
[23:01] <cores> tomreyn: it's little $50 dell usb-c dock
[23:02] <tomreyn> maybe you can return / replace it, or search the exact product title / number with "linux" and "hdmi"
[23:03] <cores> yeah you were right, i plugged in the hdmi cable while running 'sudo journalctl -f' and nothing happened. i plugged in a usb keyboard into the dock right after just to confrim i can get something and it did scroll a buch of stuff.
[23:06] <tomreyn> it could also be a broken hdmi cable, of course.
[23:07] <cores> i doubt it, i used it recently on a windows laptop
[23:10] <cores> i think it could be a hdmi-over-usb-c support issue on linux in general? i'm currently using power, usb, ethernet and dp through this little dock
[23:13] <tomreyn> generally speaking, hdmi-over-usb-c works on linux for a good while now.
[23:13] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you using there, which graphics driver?
[23:14] <cores> chris@xps:~$ grep DESCRIPTION /etc/lsb-release
[23:14] <cores> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS"
[23:15] <cores> i'm using an intel graphics driver probably because that's all the machine has
[23:15] <cores> how i check it?
[23:15] <tomreyn> no need to check then, you'll be using i915
[23:16] <cores> this is what 'usb-devices' says about the dock https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fRXFqZ9985/ it's suspicious "Ver = 2.01"
[23:16] <tomreyn> i do think that 20.04 LTS should support hdmi-over-usb-c, but later releases may improve upon that.
[23:17] <cores> oh ok, that's fine then. i was wondering if there was some setup issue
[23:18] <cores> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1379068/dell-da310-dock-is-stuck-in-usb2 that's the only promising thing i found
[23:18] <cores> it's worth a shot. i'll give a try later. thanks.
[23:20] <tomreyn> that's lsusb -v output
[23:20] <tomreyn> i'm not sure that the version number refers to the usb version, or to the hardware device itself
[23:22] <tomreyn> https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/usb-c-mobile-adapter-da310/drivers provides a firmware update
[23:23] <cores> it's the usb version, i believe. the rest of the usb devices on my system only have 2 or 3 in that field
[23:24] <cores> tomreyn: yah, i will try that. it's windows only so i will try later
[23:25] <tomreyn> lsusb -d 413c:c010 -v     may provide more readable output
[23:26] <cores> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DG2QpyZm97/
[23:31] <tomreyn> hehe, funny they have a url in there o fthe original manufacturer
[23:32] <cores> cypress - i didn't even notice
[23:32] <tomreyn> but yes, i think the bcdUSB indicator says which usb protocol version is in use
[23:32] <cores> that URL doesn't even work
[23:33] <cores> cypress bought by infineon, i wonder if that has something to do with it
[23:34] <tomreyn> i don't see how
[23:35] <cores> maybe the new owners took it down
[23:35] <cores> i don't know why
[23:36] <cores> i'm going to try updating the firmware on the dock. if that doesn't work i'll quickly try a newer OS live session
[23:43] <tomreyn> sounds like a good strategy - good luck!