| mapreri | ddstreet, teward: I just got home and I really need to do a few things before our meeting. I might be a few minutes late. | 14:44 |
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| ddstreet | no problem | 14:44 |
| teward | no worries | 14:44 |
| ddstreet | let's wait few more minutes before starting | 15:02 |
| * Eickmeyer sends the backports team coffee and donuts ☕ 🍩 | 15:03 | |
| mapreri | alright, I'm here (slowly also getting my brain in here) | 15:03 |
| ddstreet | good morning/afternoon! | 15:04 |
| ddstreet | been a while since the last mtg :) | 15:05 |
| mapreri | *nearly evening | 15:05 |
| mapreri | ^^ | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | good evening too :) | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | i think we're all here so let's start | 15:05 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team | 15:05 |
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| ddstreet | probably should go through all the agenda items, though i've been busy with other work and summertime vacations so unfortunately i dont think i've done much of anything | 15:06 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 15:06 |
| mapreri | same, plus I've been traveling for 1+ month... | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send follow up email on no-bug-required ML thread mentioning cockpit | 15:07 |
| ddstreet | i did this one! :) and i think it's been resolved? | 15:08 |
| mapreri | nope | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | i have not caught up on my email, just got back today | 15:08 |
| mapreri | I mean, you did the followup, but we haven't follow up again on the topic | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | ah ok | 15:08 |
| mapreri | oh wait | 15:08 |
| mapreri | this is specific to cockpit | 15:08 |
| ddstreet | oh this is the no-bug-required one | 15:08 |
| mapreri | wait | 15:08 |
| * mapreri spawns up mails | 15:08 | |
| ddstreet | the cockpit self-approvals issue is separate i think | 15:09 |
| * ddstreet been gone too long, brain needs to catch up | 15:09 | |
| teward | (and handled) | 15:09 |
| mapreri | so, the pitti issues has finally been handled, though I do have some questions after reading his answer. | 15:09 |
| ddstreet | lemme go read that also | 15:09 |
| teward | so did I. It took the TB poking pitti to get attention, I don't accept their reasoning of simply sinkholing everything going to their ubuntu.com address but i cant validate any of that on their end | 15:10 |
| teward | and yes i did escalate it to the TB for intervention / poking | 15:11 |
| mapreri | well, let's just say that his "I'm not reading this email because it's only spam" is bullshit in my mind, so I want to dig deeper in there, since AFAIK we did try to reach him on multiple addresses. And our thing has been announced in ubuntu-devel-announce (IIRC), so one reason less for him not knowing, so… but yes, I believe it's handled enough for now. | 15:11 |
| teward | i brought those concerns up with the TB in a reply myself but it got eaten by my email so i have to resend it | 15:11 |
| mapreri | teward: you mean the points I raised? | 15:11 |
| teward | but yeah theres concerns at play, but at least Martin seems willing to work in the new processes | 15:12 |
| teward | mapreri: and others I am not at liberty of bringing up publicly or I'd have to eat my many hats | 15:12 |
| mapreri | heh | 15:12 |
| mapreri | then ok, I think I'll leave everything to you, thank you | 15:12 |
| teward | yep, the key was to poke Martin and get it handled such that he stops self approving. And I rejected his reasons as well for not replying prior. | 15:13 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: the actual "no-bug-required" topic is further down, btw, this seems to be specific to cockpit/pitti. | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | i'll read the full escalation TB thread later, it seems like for now his response seems fine and i think he did recently upload a new version to backports and did not self-approve | 15:13 |
| teward | and he has agreed to abide by our processes so. | 15:13 |
| ddstreet | yep, let's drop this action item as it seems done | 15:14 |
| mapreri | yes | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 15:14 |
| ddstreet | i guess we should keep this on the ML, unless either of you want to discuss it now? | 15:14 |
| mapreri | not now | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | ack | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 15:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet send short policy wording proposal to ML regarding https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-March/023030.html | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet send follow up email for clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | i think this can be dropped as we have the ML thread already | 15:15 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:16 |
| mapreri | as long as we don't forget (fwiw, I have a wording in my mind, but it will have to wait until I get to this) | 15:16 |
| mapreri | carry over pls | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:16 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] | 15:16 | |
| mapreri | carry over | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) | 15:16 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | also i assume? | 15:17 |
| mapreri | yes | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 15:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 15:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) | 15:17 |
| mapreri | aye, sorry | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri follow up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/2012676 | 15:17 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2012676 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "[BPO] nfs-utils/1:2.6.1-2ubuntu4 from kinetic" [Undecided, Invalid] | 15:17 | |
| ddstreet | carry? | 15:17 |
| mapreri | no, this was done and over | 15:17 |
| ddstreet | awesome! | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic mapreri reply to TB charter email thread | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | i think this is done too? | 15:18 |
| mapreri | yes | 15:18 |
| mapreri | hold on a sec pls | 15:18 |
| ddstreet | ack | 15:18 |
| mapreri | I was reading that bug about nfs-utils, I missed the last answer from the OP. But I believe it's fine as it is (i.e., rejected) | 15:19 |
| ddstreet | yep i agree | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | ok moving on | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 15:20 |
| ddstreet | i think you looked at this at least somewhat? | 15:21 |
| teward | i havent poked everything but there were some issues | 15:22 |
| teward | so keep it for now | 15:22 |
| ddstreet | #action teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 15:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward make sure there are no bugs in requestbackport and backportpackage tools (in lunar) (carried over) | 15:22 |
| teward | (had bigger fish to fry since that was put on so) | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | ack, no worried | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | should we carry this or move to ML? or discuss now? | 15:23 |
| mapreri | keep it here | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 15:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) consider documenting an SLA for reviewing uploaded backport packages | 15:23 |
| ddstreet | works for me :) | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | probably should assign this to someone to look into ? | 15:24 |
| ddstreet | teward you have any extra time to look into this? | 15:24 |
| mapreri | imho better keep it in the backburner until we catch up with the rest, unless either of you want to take it on. | 15:24 |
| teward | nope no spare cycles | 15:24 |
| teward | FT job eats all my cycles atm | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | ack, yeah let's keep it here then | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | me as well, yeah | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML (carried over) | 15:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) check if backports pocket uploads and/or approvals go to a ML (carried over) | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | follow on to last item so carrying this one too | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one (carried over) | 15:25 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) if no ML for backports uploads/approvals, check on how to create one (carried over) | 15:25 |
| ddstreet | that's all the previous action items; moving on to ML threads unless anyone has any other previous items to discuss | 15:26 |
| teward | nope but i have a time crunch so can i bring a different item up ahead of ml threads | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | sure | 15:26 |
| ddstreet | #topic AOB | 15:27 |
| teward | i will need one of you two to poke distro-info later today | 15:27 |
| teward | i am reuploading after a self reject due to version strinfs | 15:27 |
| teward | strings* | 15:27 |
| mapreri | is it fine to accept it? | 15:27 |
| teward | this is the pings from cpaelzer_ in devel yesterdat | 15:27 |
| teward | mapreri: cpaelzer_ said yeah but i made a screwup with version strings so gonna fix and reup | 15:27 |
| mapreri | I mean, I have no cycles today or tomorrow to actually confidently look at things. for me it would be better if I did it next week. | 15:27 |
| mapreri | (and I believe it can wait) | 15:28 |
| teward | ack just putting it on the list | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | if it's not complicated, i can take a look today or tomorrow | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | i'll keep it in mind to try to get to this week | 15:28 |
| ddstreet | otherwise mapreri can tackle it next week :) | 15:29 |
| mapreri | ^^ | 15:29 |
| teward | yep this or next week is fine but wanted it on the list | 15:29 |
| ddstreet | since we're in AOB, anything else to discuss before going back to regular agenda? | 15:30 |
| mapreri | so, right now we have one open bug (which is a reject, launchpad will expire it in 10 days) | 15:30 |
| mapreri | and in the queue there is only cockpit from pitti | 15:30 |
| teward | i'm being pulled into a meeting @ work so i need to nip out but will read back after. | 15:30 |
| mapreri | are we going to ask him for bug or shall we just look at it as it is? | 15:30 |
| teward | *whooshes out* | 15:30 |
| mapreri | teward: o/ | 15:30 |
| ddstreet | i can take a look at the cockpit backports, if they are the typical 'no-change' backports that we usually don't require bugs for, i think it's ok to just approve without a bug | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | unless you think we should ask for a bug at least for the first cockpit we approve | 15:32 |
| mapreri | that was pretty much my question | 15:32 |
| ddstreet | how about if i see *anything* that i have a question about i'll ask for a bug, otherwise if the backports look fine and i have no q's i'll approve them without a bug | 15:33 |
| mapreri | the wording for the no-bug-required thing I was thinking of was indeed to require the bug for the first upload to series, and then not require a new it if it's only no-change with no real risk to it (and instead just keep referring the old bug in the changelog also for the new updates). | 15:33 |
| mapreri | that would work for me. | 15:34 |
| mapreri | It would be unfair to ask for a bug for a process that has not been defined (the no-bug-required thing) when we are silently accepting simple no-change updates. | 15:34 |
| ddstreet | yep, once we have the policy in place it should be easier | 15:35 |
| ddstreet | i'll action that at least | 15:35 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet review cockpit backport uploads | 15:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet review cockpit backport uploads | 15:35 |
| mapreri | ty | 15:35 |
| mapreri | no further AOB from me today | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ML threads | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #undo | 15:36 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #topic ML threads | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | i think this is the only ML thread? at least, in the agenda | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-February/022680.html | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | no movement for a while on it | 15:36 |
| ddstreet | i'll send another ping to try to keep it alive :) | 15:37 |
| mapreri | ty | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet ping email to keep thread alive: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:37 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet ping email to keep thread alive: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions | 15:37 |
| ddstreet | i think that's everything, besides picking a next mtg date? | 15:37 |
| mapreri | yes | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic next mtg date | 15:38 |
| mapreri | according to my calendar, regular schedule would say Oct 18th? | 15:38 |
| mapreri | ah, no, sorry wrong ubuntu team | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | 4 weeks as 'usual' would be Oct 25 | 15:38 |
| mapreri | not in my recurring calendar? | 15:38 |
| ddstreet | yeah we've been just doing one-off mtgs so far, though we could switch to recurring | 15:39 |
| mapreri | oh, was it you sending gcal invite? | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | yep | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | after each mtg | 15:39 |
| mapreri | see, it has been too long since the last meeting i forgot! | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | lol | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | maybe we should just commit to monthly mtgs? | 15:39 |
| mapreri | I'm fine with oct 25 | 15:39 |
| mapreri | would normally wfm | 15:39 |
| ddstreet | sounds good, i'll set up the next for oct 25 and set it as recurring every 4 weeks, and we can cancel/resched as needed | 15:40 |
| mapreri | hold on | 15:40 |
| mapreri | the 25th is right before the DST change | 15:40 |
| mapreri | what about after? | 15:40 |
| mapreri | I'm keen on keeping this at 5pm Europe/Rome time :> | 15:41 |
| ddstreet | in the past, we were sticking with DST | 15:41 |
| ddstreet | US DST change is first sunday in Nov, so i think it would be the same time | 15:41 |
| mapreri | let's just schedule next 25th that's before the change, and let's growl at DST next week ^^ | 15:42 |
| mapreri | s/week$/meeting/ | 15:42 |
| ddstreet | sounds good | 15:42 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet sched next mtg oct 25 | 15:42 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet sched next mtg oct 25 | 15:42 |
| ddstreet | isn't the EU getting rid of DST? | 15:42 |
| mapreri | ahahahaha | 15:42 |
| mapreri | that will happen after whatever next "crisis" pass | 15:43 |
| mapreri | but then postponed to the after the next-next crisis, I'm sure | 15:43 |
| ddstreet | lol yeah i dont see the US dropping it anytime soon either | 15:43 |
| ddstreet | ok i think we're wrapped | 15:44 |
| ddstreet | any final items? | 15:44 |
| mapreri | none from me | 15:44 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 15:44:48 UTC. Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-27-15.05.moin.txt | 15:44 |
| ddstreet | thanks mapreri teward o/ | 15:44 |
| mapreri | o/ | 15:45 |
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