[14:58] <bdrung> \o
[14:59] <liushuyu> o/
[14:59] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[14:59] <ogayot> o/
[14:59] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:00] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-28-sep-2023/39009
[15:00] <xypron> o/
[15:00] <ginggs> o/
[15:00]  * juliank will have to update tomorrow because brain too slow today
[15:03] <bdmurray> "dead weight"
[15:03] <dviererbe> o/
[15:04] <dbungert> bdmurray: that's the belief, yes
[15:04] <bdmurray> my comment was about word choice
[15:04] <bdmurray> I don't think I've heard that in a while
[15:05] <juliank> you may also enjoy the word salad I come up with today
[15:09] <juliank> .
[15:10] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:10] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:10] <juliank> bug 2037425
[15:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037425 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Mantic) "ubuntu-server pulls in ZFS userspace" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037425
[15:11] <juliank> dbungert:
[15:11] <juliank> ?
[15:12] <dbungert> work in progress, next step is a review from server.  I think we can untag mm.
[15:12] <juliank> ack
[15:13] <juliank> bug 2036999
[15:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036999 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity: Wifi password not copied to new install Edit" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036999
[15:13] <dbungert> I have untagged 425
[15:13] <juliank> as did I when I wrote ack :D
[15:13] <dbungert> hah
[15:14] <juliank> bug 2036997 is related
[15:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036997 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "Wifi password not copied to new install since netplan transition" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036997
[15:14] <juliank> one is old installer, other new instalelr
[15:15] <dbungert> ubuntu-desktop-installer has a postinstall hook that handles this, so that hook should be updated
[15:16] <danilogondolfo> Yes, this I suppose https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer/blob/main/snap/local/postinst.d/10_copy_network_config
[15:16] <juliank> I tagged them foundations-todo
[15:16] <juliank> bug 2037210
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037210 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "unable to add PPA by its sources.list line" [Medium, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037210
[15:17] <juliank> this makes sense, yes
[15:17] <juliank> we did not implement conversion of lines to PPAs
[15:17] <juliank> I didn't expect people would actually pass PPA lines
[15:18] <juliank> We're going to have to fix that some way but not necesarily for the release
[15:19] <juliank> oh it's also tagged todo already
[15:19] <juliank> I'm just removing incoming
[15:19] <juliank> bug 2033440
[15:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2033440 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Mantic) "ubuntu-desktop: unnecessary hard 'Depends: pipewire-audio'" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033440
[15:19] <vorlon> still Not For Us
[15:19] <juliank> ack
[15:19] <juliank> bug 2036440
[15:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036440 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Choosing 'Try Ubuntu' on daily-legacy image produced a crash" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036440
[15:19] <bdmurray> very repeatable
[15:20] <vorlon> and we need to fix apport?
[15:21] <bdrung> we should fix bugs #2015857 and the desktop team should fix the gnome-shell crash
[15:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2015857 in apport (Ubuntu) "Repeatedly unusable truncated crash files (on log-out)" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015857
[15:21] <juliank> I still don't know
[15:21] <vorlon> should we close on the apport task on 2036440 then?
[15:21] <vorlon> close out
[15:21] <bdmurray> ^- that
[15:21] <juliank> I think that sounds reasoanably
[15:22] <juliank> done
[15:22] <juliank> bug 2037015
[15:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037015 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Screen corruption of slides during install on Raspberry Pi" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037015
[15:22] <bdmurray> From a release team or QA team perspective I don't have try ubuntu crash right away is great
[15:22] <bdrung> 2015857 needs to be fixed first. afterwards we might want to tweak the apport gnome-shell hook.
[15:23] <bdmurray> We could do something shady like blacklist gnome-shell crashes in the live environment?
[15:23] <juliank> I suggest discussing the details outside the meeting
[15:25] <juliank> I guess we tag this one todo but probably this needs someone with a pi to actually do the work
[15:25] <waveform> I need to double-check this with the new images with the updated mesa; I mostly filed the bug to remind myself to do that
[15:25] <juliank> I'll just assign it to you
[15:25] <waveform> sure
[15:26] <juliank> accidentally assigned it to me, lol
[15:26] <juliank> but fixed now
[15:26] <juliank> bug 2037202
[15:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037202 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "Mantic/23.10: PXE boot tries to initialize DHCP before network link is up" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037202
[15:26] <juliank> in the initramfs tools
[15:26] <bdrung> someone should try to reproduce (but I will be on vacation)
[15:27] <juliank> sad
[15:27] <juliank> oh but this is kernel, does kernel not have special capser initrd?
[15:28] <juliank> anyway tagged
[15:28] <juliank> bug 2036604 we are going to skip over this cycle, nothing we can do right now
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2036604 in shim (Ubuntu) "Synchronous Exception when booting VMs via qemu-efi-aarch64" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036604
[15:28] <juliank> bug 2037228
[15:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037228 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox doesn't work after 23.10 upgrade" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037228
[15:30] <bdmurray> jbicha: you confirmed this bug did you recreate it?
[15:31] <vorlon> it doesn't look like a u-r-u issue anyway, should we just close that task invalid (for now)?
[15:31] <juliank> Reassign that task to snapd :D
[15:32] <juliank> I just do
[15:32] <juliank> and https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty, hooray
[15:32] <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:32] <juliank> still has bug 1990798
[15:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798
[15:33] <juliank> but pro folks are on that
[15:33] <juliank> and https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty too
[15:33] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:33] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:33] <juliank> vorlon: only light gray today :D
[15:33] <vorlon> none of our own packages are "late", but we also don't have much time left before release
[15:34] <vorlon> a lot of systemd autopkgtest failures on arm64
[15:34] <vorlon> enr0n: do you know what this is about? blocking a lot of kernels apparently, that it didn't before
[15:34] <juliank> oh I should unblock grub2 I suppose
[15:34] <vorlon> OTOH linux-meta-azure on arm64 is sort of a non-thing
[15:34] <enr0n> vorlon: looking
[15:34] <vorlon> thanks
[15:35] <vorlon> LP: #2030482 seems to still be blocked on MIR process
[15:35] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2030482 in s390-tools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] s390-tools Rust dependencies (vendored)" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2030482
[15:35] <juliank> oof
[15:36] <vorlon> and then there's glibc
[15:36] <vorlon> schopin is out I think?  is someone else driving this?
[15:36] <ginggs> i'll retry things
[15:37] <vorlon> ok
[15:37] <enr0n> vorlon: I have not seen that error before so I will need to look closer
[15:37] <ginggs> (hopefully all that's needed)
[15:37] <vorlon> then that's it for proposed-migration
[15:37] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:37] <juliank> ginggs:
[15:38] <ginggs> LP: #2031879
[15:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2031879 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "Fail to remove a device via 'mdadm -r' on ubuntu server 22.04.3" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031879
[15:38] <jbicha> bdmurray: yes, I experienced that Firefox bug a week ago
[15:38] <ginggs> in the email to foundations-crew, it was asked "should I tell them to just not use -r?"
[15:39] <ginggs> and apparently the patch ust removes the -r option from the help output so that users only see --remove as an option
[15:39] <juliank> so they ask for the fix in the commit to be SRUed really I think?
[15:39] <ginggs> which i think is pretty much the same thing
[15:39] <bdrung> i'll be on vacation starting from end of today
[15:40] <bdmurray> jbicha: Could you provide more details in the bug? Like answering comment #2.
[15:42] <juliank> ginggs: are there two meanings of -r?
[15:42] <ginggs> you can --manage -r
[15:42] <dbungert> mdadm manpage still mentions -r for remove, we should hit that also.
[15:43] <ginggs> and --monitor -t
[15:43] <ginggs> err
[15:43] <ginggs> -- monitor -r
[15:43] <ginggs> which are different
[15:44] <juliank> OK I added tasks for jammy and lunar
[15:44] <juliank> I guess lunar can also be Won't fix but meh
[15:44] <juliank> I don't think it warrants tagging particularly
[15:44] <juliank> ginggs: Does that sound right?
[15:45] <ginggs> my question was really, is this worth fixing?
[15:45] <ginggs> --remove works
[15:45] <juliank> I probably should take some time off next week, tuesday is a holiday, and I need to go visit the cat and play
[15:45] <bdmurray> What are the consequences of using `-r`?
[15:45] <ginggs> and per the email, the patch just removes -r from the help
[15:46] <juliank> it changes the options
[15:46] <bdmurray> Is there data loss involved?
[15:46] <juliank> the parsing of them in getopt
[15:46] <ginggs> bdmurray: you get no output -- nothing happens
[15:46] <bdmurray> the pfft
[15:46] <bdmurray> s/the/then/
[15:46] <juliank> I suggest taking this back to the mailing thread
[15:47] <juliank> If there's no other business in 20s I'll end the meeting
[15:47] <juliank> OK I guess that's it then?
[15:47] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:47:45 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-09-28-14.59.moin.txt