[01:12] <xu-irc56w> Hi all... I noticed while using the xfce version of LM that AppImages display various icons for the apps... but Xubuntu 22.04 uses a grey gear. Is there a chance this might change to different icons for a future version of Xubuntu?
[13:49] <xu-help18w> New to Xubuntu have got it up and running, configured the way I like it for now. Before I go to far want to learn how to backup/clone what I have done.
[18:06] <AMPed> I'm trying to update sqlite3 to the latest version. `sudo apt upgrade sqlite3` tells me I'm already on the "latest" version, 3.31.1-4ubuntu0.5, but I know 3.43 is out. How do I get that?
[18:08] <tomreyn> !latest | AMPed 
[18:09] <tomreyn> most of the time you also don't actually *need* the very latest version of something.
[18:10] <tomreyn> so my question would be: why do you *need* sqlite version 3.43
[18:11] <AMPed> tomreyn: I'm trying something that requires, at least, 3.35. I can go that low, but I have the same problem.
[18:11] <tomreyn> are you building software?
[18:12] <tomreyn> maybe you want to build slqite3 yourself from source
[18:13] <AMPed> I'm trying to run privateGPT, which uses Chroma
[18:13] <AMPed> and get the error: "RuntimeError: Your system has an unsupported version of sqlite3. Chroma requires sqlite3 >= 3.35.0."
[18:13] <tomreyn> actually, if Xubuntu provides you with 3.31.1-4ubuntu0.5 that means you're on Xubuntu 20.04, which should be EOL.
[18:14] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=sqlite3
[18:15] <AMPed> You are, in fact, correct. Time to upgrade the system. (Anxiety increases.)
[18:15] <tomreyn> no need for anxiety if you have backups
[18:17] <AMPed> tomreyn: you *say* that, but I've hosed installs and upgrades to the point where, even though I have data backed up, I can't *do* anything with it until I un-fsck my host. But that's, as they say, a "me" problem.
[18:18] <tomreyn> hmm, sorry to hear that. i can't think of how you'd run into a situation where you could not reinstall and restore backups
[18:19] <tomreyn> i mean, unless the backups were bad or incomplete
[18:19] <AMPed> ADHD. I used to scoff at the diagnosis. I can mess up very simple things, sometimes. But thanks for the info, I will make a backup and possibly have a weekend project ahead of me.
[18:20] <tomreyn> oh i see, sorry, i really failed to think of such
[18:21] <AMPed> Like I say, a "me" problem.
[18:22] <AMPed> But one question I do have, come to think of it: is there an automatic way to let the system know what tools and packages you have installed since the last system upgrade, so I don't have to install PostgreSQL or Emacs afterward?
[18:23] <AMPed> Every time I upgrade, for days or weeks afterward, I run into that situation. I only backup $HOME, but perhaps I should backup something else as well?
[18:31] <xangua> AMPed: a separate /home partition could help
[18:37] <tomreyn> I was going to point them to this command which tries to guess what you manually installed. But they left, got called away.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: apt-mark showmanual
[19:33] <tomreyn> yes, that's close, but not perfect
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Right, because it'll also show stuff they accidentally "apt install"-ed which sets it to manual.
[19:38] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/2389/how-to-list-manually-installed-packages#answers
[19:39] <tomreyn> ...as well as packages initially installed (and marked as manual) by the installer
[19:40] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz still exists on ubuntu flavors, though
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> It does.
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: All flavors are Ubuntu. They're not separate distros.
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> Merely a different out of box experience.
[19:43] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: i'm aware of this. some use different installers, though, right? and i don't know if some of these installers create this file and others don't.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> The only one that's different is  Calamares in Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio ( 22.04-23.04), but that doesn't matter because initial-status.gz is there regardless.
[19:44] <tomreyn> how about server?
[19:44]  * Eickmeyer checks
[19:44] <tomreyn> and how about the new ubuntu desktop installer ;)
[19:44] <tomreyn> i don't mean to make a task list for you ;)
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> New desktop installer is merely subiquity which is same as server.
[19:45] <tomreyn> i see, i was thinking it is like a wrapper around suibiquity
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> initial-status.gz does not appear to be there for server, so presumably not for anything installed using subiquity.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Yes, it's a wrapper.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> In other words, one can kiss initial-status.gz goodbye in the future.
[19:46] <tomreyn> so for curent ubuntu desktop and server people should just run "apt-mark showmanual"
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> That's probably most sane, yes.
[19:47] <tomreyn> (and then strike out what they did not manually install)
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Right. They should probably look at what they really want. Usually what they want are packages.
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Another good one to look at is "snap list" because... who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:48] <tomreyn> oh, right, probably.
[21:12] <marcoWolf72> Buonasera. Stavo solo testando la chat.