[04:11] <arraybolt31> How would I keep an external USB hard drive from ever spinning down? Running Kubuntu 22.04 on a laptop.
[04:12] <arraybolt31> Previously, I used an hdparm command that set its power management state to keep it from spinning down. That worked on a desktop (Ubuntu Studio 22.04 I believe), but on my laptop the disk spins down automatically after a period of inactivity anyway.
[04:13] <arraybolt31> I mainly want to avoid spindown in order to preserve the drive's longevity (I have to use this drive daily and spinning it up once or twice a day is something I'd rather not do if I can avoid it).
[04:13] <matsaman> if you can't control it reasonably with hdparm, honestly just replace it
[04:13] <matsaman> there are hacks, but why bother
[04:13] <arraybolt31> It's a 12 TB WD EasyStore, out of warranty and that cost over $200 :P
[04:14] <arraybolt31> Replacing it isn't an option with my current budget.
[04:14] <arraybolt31> It's not that old, it shouldn't need replacing for another several years most likely, especially if I can keep it from spinning down.
[04:15] <matsaman> oh, that's probably some kind of shingled pile of crap
[04:15] <arraybolt31> might not have actually cost over $200 but still, was pricey
[04:15] <arraybolt31> nah, it's good-ol SMR, I looked it up.
[04:15] <arraybolt31> PMR
[04:15] <arraybolt31> not SMR
[04:15] <arraybolt31> sorry
[04:16] <matsaman> nice
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> arraybolt31: maybe some ideas here? https://askubuntu.com/questions/39760/how-can-i-control-hdd-spin-down-time
[04:16] <arraybolt31> The drive reports itself as being a WD Red, I actually have part of the cover removed so I can see that it's one of the white-label ones but it should be a good-quality drive.
[04:17] <guiverc> arraybolt31, bad hack, but I recall using a cron job that would just do something pointless on the file-system (can't recall what it I did but it was read only)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> maybe the server guyes got ideas around that too
[04:17] <arraybolt31> guiverc: Thought about that, that would probably work.
[04:17] <arraybolt31> (also, hey lotuspsychje, guiverc :) nice to see you again)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> : )
[04:18] <arraybolt31> I think probably WD paired a great drive with a crummy USB controller and that's why it's not behaving itself well. It seems to take it when I use the hdparm command to avoid spindown, but it gives me a sense code error when I do that.
[04:18] <arraybolt31> Even though the drive reports that it apparently succeeded :shrug:
[04:18] <arraybolt31> Maybe the lowlatency kernel on Ubuntu Studio has to do with why it used to not spin down there.
[04:19] <arraybolt31> Actually though, I was using a power management hdparm command
[04:19] <arraybolt31> whereas this is a spindown time command lotuspsychje linked me to
[04:19] <arraybolt31> lemme try it
[04:20] <ComputerTech> can't figure out why the Appearance option isn't available in settling for my desktop installation of Ubuntu 22.04
[04:22] <ComputerTech> I had installed desktop on a normal server installation, then installed gnome-session gnome-terminal
[04:22] <arraybolt31> ran the command, we'll see how it works.
[04:22] <ComputerTech> then after that installed ubuntu-desktop, maybe this is the reason Appearances option is missing?
[04:24] <arraybolt31> ComputerTech: Not a direct answer (and I have to go soon), but generally "building" from a Server installation of Ubuntu is a bad idea if you're making a desktop install. The Server version of Ubuntu is configured significantly differently under the hood and installing things on top of it isn't guaranteed to work how you expect (as you are now experiencing). If you need a desktop, install Ubuntu
[04:24] <arraybolt31> Desktop or an official Ubuntu Flavor.
[04:25] <ComputerTech> Yeah i'm doing it on a remote server, so i didn't really have a choice
[04:25] <arraybolt31> ugh.
[04:25] <ComputerTech> ikr
[04:25] <ComputerTech> it's for using via vnc on my tablet xD
[04:25] <ComputerTech> just for fun and giggles :^)
[04:26] <arraybolt31> if you're paying for it, maybe look into Shells, they offer desktop VMs in the cloud
[04:26] <arraybolt31> dunno if that's what you're looking for but might be an idea
[04:26] <arraybolt31> at any rate, good luck :)
[04:26] <ComputerTech> cheers
[07:58] <oky_> hey
[09:43] <clarkk> Does anyone know what the package is called in 20.04 (and maybe later) that allows you to update your software? By default it would open once a day, if there were new packages available. If you open it manually, it would do an "apt update" (showing progress) and then show the list of updates, categorized in a tree structure, and let you toggle which ones you want to install.
[09:48] <clarkk> OK, it's the "Software Updater". See screenshot.  https://i.stack.imgur.com/tsxBQ.png  Does anyone know what the package is called that provides this?
[09:50] <PaulW2U> clarkk: that's update-manager
[09:51] <toddc> clarkk: default is update-manager and updatenotifier   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier
[09:57] <toddc> clarkk: you may be thinking abouy synaptic package manager
[10:01] <clarkk> Thanks, guys. update-manager it is :)
[11:20] <Tach> Hi all, is there a reason why python3-venv instas 3.10and not 3.11 ? So it defaults not (ever) to the latest version because of "stable"?
[11:20] <Tach> Oops...
[11:20] <Tach> Hi all, is there a reason why python3-venv installs 3.10 and not 3.11 ? So it defaults not (ever) to the latest version because of "stable"?
[11:25] <ravage> !latest | Tach
[11:26] <Tach> ravage true, I know that. So packages that are in apt repo's are not considerable to be stable ?
[11:26] <PeGaSuS> they're stable but not necessarily the latest
[11:31] <Tach> PeGaSuS you mean the packages are not the latest or the latest are not stable ?
[11:33] <Tach> As ubuntu has python3.10-venv and python3.11-venv in repo's where python3-venv shows 3.10 version info
[11:33] <PeGaSuS> as ubottu said: "Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest.". this means that packages aren't always the latest
[11:33] <Tach> PeGaSuS read my previous line
[11:33] <ravage> there is usually only one version in the repos
[11:34] <ravage> for 22.04 LTS that is 3.10
[11:34] <Tach> indeed
[11:35] <Tach> but why not 3.11 when 3.11 is in repo as well ? 3.11 should be stable enough then
[11:35] <PeGaSuS> it's not on Jammy repos (3.11)
[11:35] <ravage> package versions stay the same through a release lifetime with some exceptions
[11:35] <ravage> python is a big part of apt and so the version will not change
[11:36] <ravage> it gets security fixes like all packages in the main repo
[11:36] <ravage> see !latest
[11:36] <Tach> PeGaSuS it is ?
[11:37] <ravage> it is not
[11:37] <PeGaSuS> unless added via some PPA or something, it isn't
[11:37] <PeGaSuS> https://0bin.xyz/?2de8445bea92a0fb#B2RN2tAnX8sZ9wcN4kF5LZ1dgQgkDvZGZ9eG8QpgsCdH -- stock Ubuntu, without any PPA
[11:37] <Tach> it's in universe and packages
[11:38] <Tach> APT-Sources: https://mirror.hetzner.com/ubuntu/packages jammy-updates/universe amd64 Packages
[11:38] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/python3-all
[11:39] <ravage> or in your case https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/python3-venv
[11:39] <Tach> ravage do you read ? do a apt-cache search  python venv
[11:39] <Tach> you will see both
[11:39] <Tach> and non versioned points to 3.10
[11:41] <PeGaSuS> I'm wondering if `apt-cache` searches in all versions instead only the actual OS version
[11:42] <Tach> PeGaSuS why would it ?
[11:42] <Tach> PeGaSuS did you run that command ?
[11:42] <PeGaSuS> Tach: I did and that's why I'm raising the question
[11:42] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/witjuurv.txt
[11:43] <ravage> this are all versions available for jammy
[11:43] <PeGaSuS> ^ I got the same
[11:44] <Tach> ravage why do you hide your mirror ? it's pubic but no-one may know ?
[11:44] <PeGaSuS> even https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python3-venv poinys that 3.11 in only available on Lunar
[11:44] <ravage> Tach: because i can
[11:44] <PeGaSuS> points*
[11:44] <Tach> ravage because you are afraid :)
[11:44] <ravage> good luck
[11:44] <Tach> here guys...update your repo's https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&keywords=python3.11-venv&searchon=names
[11:45] <Tach> ravage don't need it, I'm good thanks!
[11:45] <PeGaSuS> https://p.haxxors.com/0104gti8.txt
[11:45] <PeGaSuS> Tach: our repos are up-to-date with the current repos on Jammy
[11:46] <ravage> i see those packages too
[11:47] <ravage> but im not sure i would install "rc1"
[11:47] <ravage> and no clue how that behaves with the default version installed
[11:47] <ravage> if yoyu want to install that make sure you have a backup
[11:50] <Tach> PeGaSuS you ask for policy I think that will never show the 3.11 package
[11:53] <Tach> *unless they put it in policy
[11:54] <PeGaSuS> `apt policy` shows the stable (lets call it that way) package versions for 22.04.. apt-cache searchs ALL package names (not only for 22.04)
[12:00] <PeGaSuS> in case you're wondering about my mirrors: https://p.haxxors.com/zm4a50ka.txt
[12:05] <ravage> PeGaSuS: totally unrelated but consider if https://vscodium.com/ works for you :)
[12:06] <PeGaSuS> ravage: I'm always open to ideas. I'll definitely try it :)
[12:07] <ravage> they basically build the source from MS without the tracking
[12:08] <PeGaSuS> oh, it has a snap.. handy..
[12:08] <ravage> never tried that. please report back if everything works with that :)
[12:09] <PeGaSuS> aye! definitely will :D
[12:15] <PeGaSuS> so far, so good. even repo cloning and stuff works
[12:16] <ravage> cool. before we get intro trouble maybe we continue in #ubuntu-discuss
[12:17] <ravage> only if you have more feedback of course. and i would like to hear it :)
[12:24] <ubuntu> o
[12:24] <ubuntu> hello
[12:24] <Guest3815> hello
[12:24] <Guest3815> anyone here?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <nicoz> hi BluesKaj
[12:38] <nicoz> ;)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> hi nicoz
[12:57] <Jackneill> hey. i a folder with images in nemo 5.6.3. when i click on an image the 1st one opens always. when i open it from the open with.. menu the corretc one opens. any idea why? gnome files works correctly so it must be a nemo problem. (https://termbin.com/v4na)
[13:43] <dipta> suka blay
[13:43] <dipta> hi
[13:43] <dipta> there is some1
[13:43] <dipta> uasd
[13:43] <dipta> asd
[13:43] <dipta> asd
[13:43] <dipta> a
[13:45] <toddc> Jackneill: see https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo and file a issue there
[13:49] <Jackneill> toddc, in linuxmint they said file an issue for cinnamon package in ubuntu
[13:49] <JanC> well, it might be fixed upstream already, so better file a bug in Ubuntu...
[13:49] <Jackneill> everyone just points at each other.
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> on ubuntu i would go for launchpad too
[13:53] <JanC> Jackneill: when you right click or otherwise use the open width menu, do you select the default application that also opens when you double click?
[13:53] <Jackneill> JanC, yes
[13:54] <Jackneill> i checked gnome files app, and that works. any image i double click is the same that opens (same default image viewer)
[13:59] <Jackneill> JanC, i checked other image viewer set as default (shotwell instead of gnome image viewer) and the double click then works
[13:59] <Jackneill> in nemo also
[13:59] <JanC> hm
[13:59] <JanC> what if you switch it back?
[13:59] <Jackneill> somehow the nemo-gnome image viewer combination seems to be bad
[13:59] <Jackneill> its bad again
[14:00] <JanC> weird; I assume Nemo would just use the default Gtk functionality for opening files, so it should in theory be the same...
[14:24] <Tach> TheRedQueen Do you ever heard about the red sea as well ? :P
[14:24] <Tach> Oh bot doesn't reply :(
[14:41] <ravage> Jackneill: https://p.haxxors.com/s3389gtw.webm this is on Cinnamon 23.04
[14:44] <Jackneill> ravage, im not sure what you are trying to convey. that is the normal behaviour. in my case (nemo-gnome image viewer) for example if you double click on the second image the 1st one would open.
[14:44] <ravage> i click on the 2nd image and the 2nd image opens
[14:48] <ioria> Jackneill, maybe you can do a little screen video as ravage did
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: on wich ubuntu Flavour/DE are you testing as base?
[14:54] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje,  https://termbin.com/v4na
[14:55] <Jackneill> everything is default, gdm
[14:55] <Jackneill> except that the WM is cinnamon
[14:56] <Jackneill> cinnamon 5.6.7
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> Jackneill: did you install cinnamon ontop ubuntu desktop 23.04?
[14:56] <Jackneill> lotuspsychje, yes
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> can you try to create a new user to reproduce it Jackneill
[14:58] <Jackneill> i have 2 users, its present with both (tested)
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> cant reproduce that on 22.04 neither, installed nemo on ubuntu-desktop to test
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> pictures open as expected
[15:07] <JanC> yeah, it's no problem on 22.04 as I use it with Nemo myself
[15:14] <JanC> Jackneill: can you check the commandline of eog (Gnome image viewer) in both cases (double click + open file from menu)?
[15:30] <Jackneill> JanC, how ? is there a log file?
[15:33] <ioria> Jackneill, cd in the image directory and run 'xdg-open imagefile.jpeg'  and see what is set to use to open the pic
[15:33] <JanC> ioria: not useful
[15:34] <JanC> Jackneill: while you open it & it's still running you can see it in the process properties in System Monitor, or you can use 'ps -f -C eog' in a terminal
[15:36] <JanC> do that for both cases: close image viewer (all windows!), double click, check eog commandline, close image viewer, use the menu, check eog commandline
[16:38] <Jackneill> JanC, it seems when i double click, all the image in images in the folder gets added to the arg list
[16:38] <Jackneill> but when i start from set as default menu, only the clicked image
[16:38] <JanC> interesting
[16:38] <Jackneill> thus the first image is shown the the clicked one
[16:44] <JanC> at least we know it's not because it opens the folder instead of the file
[16:44] <JanC> but opening all files is weird
[16:44] <JanC> it's like it selects all files or something
[16:49] <JanC> might be useful to mention that in the bug report
[17:39] <JanC> anybody else seeing frequent Firefox crashes after the last update? (on 22.04)
[17:44] <toddc> JanC: yes but I had way to many tabs open and ran out of ram   I also had several vm and other programs so user error
[17:45] <JanC> I have lots open too, but that is normally not an issue; now I get crashes every couple hours or so  :-/
[18:23] <JanC> *boom* Firefox gone again...   :-(
[19:13] <flamki> hey
[19:13] <flamki> any one there
[19:14] <topcat001> JanC: what does the journal say? You can try running with a clean temporary profile from the command line.
[19:29] <SwedeMike> deeps: /win 207
[19:29] <SwedeMike> oops
[19:29] <rud0lf> who has 207 windows open?
[19:30] <SwedeMike> rud0lf: people who don't close windows because they don't cost anything
[19:32] <JanC> I'm in ~150 channels, I think, so not (yet) 207  :P
[19:33] <SwedeMike> each time someone msg:s me it opens a new window
[19:34] <SwedeMike> and I've been using irssi for 20 years
[22:23] <Juest> hi, i've upgraded from 20.04 to 23.04 or whatever lts is now and i've found that grub lost the ubuntu branding, why would that be?
[22:23] <Juest> it just says GNU/Linux instead of Ubuntu, and a entry called grub appeared in the firmware boot menu
[22:25] <jeremy31> Juest: another OS installed?
[22:26] <jeremy31> The firmware entry should take you to BIOS/UEFI settings
[22:36] <Juest> jeremy31: i am talking about the firmware boot menu not the firmware entry in grub. and previously, all ubuntu based third party distributions used the same grub entry but deferred to ubuntu's bootloader
[22:36] <Juest> as in, the firmware boot selection
[22:38] <jeremy31> Juest: is it a multi boot?
[22:38] <Juest> there's multiple distributions and for some reason ubuntu is the only functional uefi grub to my disposal, others seem to either not offer a uefi grub bootloader or have the mbr grub thing installed
[22:42] <Juest> yes jeremy31
[22:44] <jeremy31> Mixed UEFI/MBR is a mess
[22:44] <Juest> the problem here is that ubuntu suddenly lost the branding of ubuntu in its own bootloader, its now called GNU/Linux and the theme is not ubuntu-like but something that debian would have. (blue dialog on black background)
[22:45] <jeremy31> Juest: force grub to install from Ubuntu
[22:45] <Juest> initially the linux distributions were installed in uefi mode onto a mbr disk that was converted to gpt
[22:46] <jeremy31> In Ubuntu you can use EFI on msdos partitioned drives
[22:46] <Juest> jeremy31: when i upgraded ubuntu from lts to lts things went amiss and it started calling itself GNU/Linux and grub instead of Ubuntu and ubuntu (the distribution name and the uefi boot menu entry for ubuntu)
[22:47] <Juest> okay, don't worry about the disk stuff, the point is that somehow the branding of ubuntu went amiss and i would like to see how i could resolve that
[22:48] <jeremy31> Juest: what was the OS last installed before the Ubuntu  update?  You might have to update grub there
[22:49] <Juest> Ubuntu seemed to have taken precedence over everything and its my only functional grub bootloader in the system.
[22:49] <Juest> this is a ubuntu controlled grub
[22:49] <Juest> the upgrade messed up the grub branding
[22:49] <Juest> the entry called GNU/Linux is ubuntu
[22:50] <Juest> did i explain myself correctly?
[22:56] <jeremy31> I have never seen grub installed by Ubuntu do that
[22:57] <Juest> this happened during the upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 LTS
[22:57] <Juest> i misspoke earlier
[22:59] <jeremy31> Juest: can you get a BIOS boot menu and select ubuntu
[22:59] <Juest> jeremy31: I see ubuntu and i also see grub, plus its duplicated a few times, all of the options give me the same grub bootloader that belongs to the ubuntu installation
[23:54] <EriC^^> Juest: can you pastebin /etc/default/grub