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[01:18] <mybalzitch> lol speedy +q, well done bots
[02:09] <josb25108004> when I use./code|wc -c| get the number 27 which is not the length of the output what should I do to get the length of the output
[02:11] <tomreyn> josb25108004: maybe you want   wc -m   instead?
[02:12] <PuchoNZ> Hi folks, I tried upgrading from 22.04 to 23.04 using do-release-upgrade and after the upgrade completed and rebooted, machine was still on 22.04 and all sources pointing to lunar. Any ideas?
[02:15] <tomreyn> PuchoNZ: that's peculiar. there's a log of what was done in /var/log/ somewhere, some subdirectory with "upgrade", i think.
[02:16] <tomreyn> maybe if you have a file system with point in time recovery (btrfs?), this could explain the situation.
[02:17] <josb25108004> tomreyn, I tried this and same result
[02:18] <tomreyn> josb25108004: how do yuo tell it's not the number you expect?
[02:19] <leftyfb> josb25108004: -c is byte count
[02:29] <josb25108004> https://termbin.com/4dzz  https://termbin.com/5vgn
[02:30] <rbox> that looks like 27 to me...
[02:31] <josb25108004> why
[02:31] <leftyfb> josb25108004: https://linux.die.net/man/1/wc#:~:text=read%20standard%20input.-,%2Dc%2C%20%2D%2Dbytes,-print%20the%20byte
[02:31] <rbox> what do you mean why
[02:35] <tomreyn> $ echo -n 'Pas bon soyez plus attentif' | wc -m
[02:35] <tomreyn> 27
[02:36] <tomreyn> josb25108004: what makes you say it's not 27 characters?
[02:39] <PuchoNZ> tomreyn only thing i found under /var/log/upgrade was a telemetry file with
[02:39] <PuchoNZ> {"From": "22.04", "InstallMedia": "Ubuntu-Server 22.04.3 LTS \"Jammy Jellyfish\" - Release amd64 (20230810)", "Type": "Text", "ThirdPartySources": false, "Stages": {"0": "start", "1": "PREPARE", "38": "MODIFY_SOURCES", "426": "FETCH", "445": "INSTALL", "446": "INSTALL", "478": "INSTALL", "873": "POSTUPGRADE", "876": "CLEANUP", "1962": "REBOOT"}}
[02:40] <josb25108004> Thank you tomreyn leftyfb rbox
[02:41] <tomreyn> PuchoNZ: hmm, sorry, i don't have an upgraded ubuntu system here right now, can't check where it should be.
[02:41] <PuchoNZ> dist-upgrade perhaps?
[02:43] <tomreyn> PuchoNZ: yes
[02:47] <migbits> hi gato
[02:48] <migbits> welcome to the fold
[03:53] <Juest> hey umm, anyone with experience dealing with issues that arise from upgrading 20.04 to 22.04?
[05:15] <guiverc> Juest, just outline problem & people will answer as they're able.  problems are usually 3rd party package caused in my experience
[05:17] <Juest> guiverc: in this case its ubuntu packages having gotten messed up. /etc/default/grub got removed from the packages, plymouth is unconfigured/shows nothing
[05:17] <Juest> there's probably more stuff
[05:21] <alkisg> Juest: what's the output of this: ls /usr/share/xsessions | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:22] <Juest> alkisg: why?
[05:22] <alkisg> Juest: to see which ubuntu desktop environments you have installed
[05:23] <Juest> this is a default ubuntu desktop installation, no other desktop environments are installed
[05:23] <alkisg> And what's the output of: dpkg -l | grep ubuntu | grep nc termbin.com 9999
[05:23] <alkisg> And if you again ask why, I'll pass :)
[05:38] <migbits> Juest, just answer
[05:38] <migbits> i took think i know somethings but for certain i probably know nothing completly
[05:39] <migbits> grub got removed?
[05:40] <Juest> my whole issue with grub and things going amiss was caused by /etc/defaults/grub not existing
[05:41] <Juest> i had to copy it from /usr/share/grub/default/grub and update-grub
[05:41] <Juest> sudo update-grub
[05:41] <Juest> i've realized that the issue i was having is resolved
[05:42] <Juest> migbits: no, the grub packages removed /etc/defaults/grub from the package
[05:50] <Juest> alkisg: first command: https://termbin.com/x2o9
[05:50] <Juest>  second command, which failed because you put grep nc instead of just nc https://termbin.com/3i3f
[05:53] <Juest> please help me understand, why /etc/default/grub was removed and not restored during the upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04?
[05:55] <alkisg> Juest: OK, your metapackages seem to be there. I'd also run this, to check for file and settings changes. It will take a lot of time: sudo dpkg -V
[05:55] <alkisg> When it's done, put the result to some pastebin
[05:58] <Juest> alkisg: nothing about grub but other packages, just minor things
[05:59] <alkisg> Juest: nothing that would explain the plymouth difference? Also, apart from grub and plymouth, did you observe other things missing?
[05:59] <fichero> Juest: i upgraded from 18 something to 22.04 and grub file is there on /etc/default/
[06:00] <Juest> alkisg: the plymouth issue was due to grub configuration
[06:01] <Juest> fichero: i dont know what happened but it went away for me, maybe something was left mid-progress somewhere and it didnt tell me
[06:01] <Juest> plymouth splash was not showing up
[06:02] <Juest> alkisg: no, i have not observed anything else amiss
[06:02] <alkisg> Juest: OK. I don't know of any cases where /etc/default/grub was deleted on upgrades or otherwise. Did you already restore it or do you need help on that?
[06:03] <Juest> I have already got instructed to copy it from /usr/share/grub/default/grub which did exist, i dont know where it comes from because looking at the grub packages the files do not contain any configuration paths other than grub.d stuff
[06:04] <Juest> and inputted pci=nomsi which is needed on this gigabyte brix s i3-6100U computer.
[06:10] <Juest> very strange
[06:10] <Juest> glad its resolved
[06:10] <Juest> thanks
[06:14] <Juest> alkisg: dpkg -V output https://pastes.io/dyubrgyzvk
[06:15] <alkisg> Juest: minor stuff indeed, but it might indicate some unclean shutdown at some point, as the files that are corrupted aren't files that anything would touch
[06:16] <Juest> is there anything to fix with those files?
[06:21] <alkisg> Juest: yes, you may run: dpkg -S /path/to/file => this tells you which package it belongs in,
[06:21] <alkisg> then: sudo apt install --reinstall that-package
[06:22] <alkisg> dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man5/sane-umax_pp.5.gz => libsane-common
[06:22] <alkisg> sudo apt install --reinstall libsane-common
[06:23] <Juest> thanks, figuring it out myself
[06:25] <Juest> the /var/cache/appinfo files belonged to fwupd
[11:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:56] <mandem0110> Hi BluesKaj
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hi mandem0110
[12:07] <holzkopf> Hi,
[12:08] <holzkopf> I have a Problem with PXE booting Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop Live via PXE - there is no DNS available then. 23.04 works fine. Is there any boot-option to force a DNS Server?
[13:35] <sinclair> -ChanServ
[13:59] <SteelRose> HI all!
[14:00] <SteelRose> which file defines where the default path for the user's home directory is layed out?
[14:00] <SteelRose> Some users on a system are under /home and others under /home/users ... and that's confusing
[14:01] <leftyfb> SteelRose: /etc/passwd
[14:01] <SteelRose> leftyfb: that's a negative.
[14:01] <SteelRose> when you useradd a new user, it reads from some config file to know where to create the home directory ...
[14:02] <SteelRose> I already checkec in /etc/login.defs but nothing there
[14:04] <leftyfb> SteelRose: sudo useradd -d /path/to/new/home newuser
[14:05] <leftyfb> your users with /home/users were probably created by some 3rd party app/script that defined the home as /home/users
[14:06] <SteelRose> that's what I was guessing too... these are legacy systems
[14:06] <SteelRose> btw: /etc/defaults/useradd is where HOME is defined and is "/home" by default
[14:07] <leftyfb> but that is only for the "useradd" application
[14:08] <leftyfb> SteelRose: for instance, that won't work for adduser
[14:08] <SteelRose> I'm trying to use Smallstep and it can't cope with the users under /home/users...
[14:09] <leftyfb> so change the path for those users
[14:53] <sourav> danse-nr3 good evening
[15:28] <lubuntu> lubuntu
[16:52] <Warr> To become a ghost, achieve a situation where the mind gives the perceived death signal, by watching a scary movie alone in the dark, and when it does just ignore it or pay no attention to it. - GhostPeople@gmx.com
[16:53] <leftyfb> Warr: spam is offtopic here. This is a support channel
[17:15] <Yakov> how to hide wolf head gimp icon @ ubuntu
[17:17] <ravage> write a smiley on a post-it and put it over the icon
[17:22] <JanC> "wolf head"?
[17:22] <JanC> it's a dog  :)
[17:22] <JanC> a dog named Wilber
[17:34] <Yakov> he has nice name :)
[17:35] <Yakov> he makes me want to driver a car
[17:46] <iomari891> greetings, which app can I install for ubuntu for fingerprint scanning
[18:50] <paul424> Recommended system requirements: 4 GB system memory, should it work with 3 GB or ram ?
[18:51] <paul424> s/or/with
[18:52] <holzkopf> on what 64 Bit capable system are only 3GB of RAM available? (Desktop, not router)
[18:54] <paul424> ??? it's an old asus laptop
[18:58] <leftyfb> paul424: if the recommended requirements aren't meant, adequate performance cannot be guaranteed. But your mileage may vary
[19:04] <xangua> paul424: you may wanna try Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[19:05] <paul424> Is there a big diffrence between xfce based Ubuntu and Xubuntu ?
[19:08] <Utkojhamela> paul424: no. Except the DE, it is same.
[19:09] <leftyfb> paul424: yes, the entire UI
[19:09] <leftyfb> paul424: try them out and see which one suits your personal needs
[19:30] <reginal> Courtney Rickett Gets Gangbanged by the Braves - The Shitty Clarinet Courtney Rickett takes ecstasy suppositories with Edna Skilton and ends up gangbanged by the Atlanta Braves and consensually sodomized by her trusty clarinet.  https://justpaste.it/Courtney_Rickett_Gangbanged
[19:32] <osse> tomreyn: Belated thanks. There is such a line in /etc/gdb/custom.conf but it's commented out. I am using the nouveau drivers when using 5.19. How can I check for 6.2? is it even possible to change that based on kernel?
[19:37] <tomreyn> osse: it's possible that it differs by kernel version, since the proprietary module may have been built against one but not the other kernel version
[19:38] <tomreyn> osse: you can see the graphics driver in settings -> about, if i remember correctly
[19:40] <osse> it says "llvmpipe (LLVM 15.0.7, 256 bits)" and sudo lshw -class display says "driver=noveau"
[19:40] <osse> No idea what it would have said with 6.2 because I don't get that far
[19:41] <tomreyn> oh, so how far do you get with 6.2?
[19:41] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[19:42] <osse> I have removed quiet and splash before and (visually anyway) it stop's at [ OK ] Mounted /home. I will try the systemd.log_level thing
[19:43] <osse> journalctl -b -1 seems fine. But I'm not sure what to look for
[19:43] <tomreyn> maybe do a file system check on / and /boot  as well just to be sure
[19:44] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -1   would show what was logged during the previous (i.e. not current) system runtime (which got far enough to start systemd logging to disk)
[19:46] <tomreyn> if you want to share a log (cutting off at 100 lines), you could use    journalctl -b -1  |& nc termbin.com 9999    (for example)
[19:46] <tomreyn> *1000 lines
[19:47] <tomreyn> journalctl -kb -1     would show just what the kernel logged - this may be sufficient already. assuming the failed boot was logged to disk, and it was the last but one.
[19:48] <tomreyn> i mean the previous one (not the current)
[19:51] <osse> 6.2: https://termbin.com/17xx    5.19: https://termbin.com/0920l  the latter is longer and contains several lines after what is the last line in the 6.2 case
[19:55] <Reyaina> Courtney Rickett Gets Gangbanged by the Braves - The Shitty Clarinet Courtney Rickett takes ecstasy suppositories with Edna Skilton and ends up gangbanged by the Atlanta Braves and consensually sodomized by her trusty clarinet. https://justpaste.it/Courtney_Rickett_Gangbanged
[19:55] <Reyaina> Courtney Rickett Gets Gangbanged by the Braves - The Shitty Clarinet Courtney Rickett takes ecstasy suppositories with Edna Skilton and ends up gangbanged by the Atlanta Braves and consensually sodomized by her trusty clarinet. https://justpaste.it/Courtney_Rickett_Gangbanged
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> !ops | Reyaina
[20:06] <tomreyn> osse: try a bios upgrade. you have BIOS 2407 07/01/2020, the latest is Version 4802 (released 2023/07/14)
[20:07] <tomreyn> https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-f-gaming-model/helpdesk_bios/
[20:10] <tomreyn> page 3-22, section 3.11.2 of your mainboard manual explains how to carry out a bios upgrade from a usb stick (no need for windows): https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/ROG_STRIX_X570-F_GAMING/E15827_ROG_STRIX_X570-F_GAMING_UM_v2_WEB.pdf?model=ROG%20STRIX%20X570-F%20GAMING
[20:16] <osse> tomreyn: Oh, wow, thanks! I'll definitely try that!
[20:16] <Guest76> Hey, is this the official Ubuntu channel?
[20:16] <tomreyn> osse: if bios upgrade is not an option right now, temporarily disabling iommu (in bios or with kernel cmdline option) should work around it.
[20:16] <tomreyn> Guest76: yes
[20:17] <tomreyn> i mean, we're mostly volunteers here
[20:17] <toddc> Guest76: yes
[20:17] <Guest76> I am looking for info on how to build a lean Ubuntu server that still has all of the essential security packages. My usecase is that it needs to run Node.js & MySQL apps.
[20:17] <Guest76> i dont know how to go about this
[20:18] <Guest76> I came across "Ubuntu server". I want to know if it can be made even leaner than that.
[20:19] <ravage> Guest76: Ubuntu Server is what you want
[20:19] <Guest76> What about minimal Ubuntu?
[20:20] <ravage> you can choose a minimal server setup during the install process
[20:20] <Guest76> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Minimal
[20:21] <Guest76> How much memory does a minimal ubuntu server use?
[20:22] <Guest76> ravage
[20:23] <ravage> a few gb
[20:23] <ravage> i dont know the exact number
[20:23] <tomreyn> dpeneds on the architecture, but you'll probably get away with a little more than 1 GB RAM to boot it.
[20:23] <tomreyn> *depends
[20:23] <ravage> RAM is minimal on ubuntu server just to boot it
[20:24] <ravage> but if you plan to use mysql that really is not what you need to worry about
[20:24] <Guest76> How are they giving 0.5 gb if the minimum required 1gb? https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#cloud-compute/
[20:24] <toddc> Guest76: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-server#1-overview
[20:24] <tomreyn> it can work with less, i just suggested a safe value
[20:25] <Guest76> toddc I already checked out the link, they dont give RAM requirements under "requirements"
[20:26] <tomreyn> for what you plan to do, you'll want more than 1 GB RAM anyways
[20:26] <tomreyn> "My usecase is that it needs to run Node.js & MySQL apps."
[20:27] <toddc> as above it can run with less than 4GB but may become a issue  later it depends on load and work processes it may well need more  I use 4 a0s a minimum to start
[20:28] <leftyfb> running mysql and node.js don't take much memory. Loading them up with some undetermined amount of data does                                                                                                                                            `````
[20:28] <leftyfb> ugh, sorry. was having keyboard issues earlier (still am)
[20:31] <Guest76> Whats a cheap VPS that you guys recommend
[20:32] <leftyfb> Guest76: we don't, that's offtopic here
[20:33] <Guest76> ok got it
[20:33] <Guest76> is there an offtopic channel?
[20:33] <toddc> Guest76: I have a web server running with 256mb but it use/load is very small and took a lot of tweaking to get it there
[20:33] <Guest76> Thats 2nd point anyways. Back to lean Ubuntu LTS server. How do I do it?
[20:34] <Guest76> toddc what are you doing with that tiny thing? Thats what she said.
[20:34] <leftyfb> Guest76: install ubuntu server and pick minimal when asked
[20:35] <toddc> weather station weewx on a raspberry pi First edition
[20:35] <mandem0110> Guest76: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:36] <toddc> I usually recemmend a old desktop 4gb any disk lean to install and update then add features
[20:36] <Guest76> toddc what kind of tweaking are you talking about?
[20:36] <toddc> learn
[20:37] <Guest76> tell me how
[20:37] <Guest76> I am currently reading a book on Ubuntu administration. So that tells you i am very new
[20:37] <toddc> Guest76: memory and read write
[20:37] <Guest76> leftyfb I checked out a video for doing it and that option does not pop up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2m52F0S2w8
[20:38] <Guest11> Hello; The 23.04 release states that it fully supports Microsoft Intune, but I'm unable to get it to proceed past sign-in. I just get stuck at a "Get the app" screen
[20:38] <Guest76> toddc i dont understand, what do you mean by memory and read write?
[20:40] <toddc> Guest76: my chages only apply to rpi with sd card you will not need to
[20:41] <leftyfb> Guest76: pretty sure that is a tutorial for ubuntu 20.04 which was released over 3 years ago and doesn't have the minimal option. I would recommend 22.04 which does have the minimal option
[20:42] <Guest76> I got disconnected, dont know why
[20:42] <Guest76> leftyfb Is there any documentation on which ubuntu packages are essential for security and networking so I can handpick those?
[20:43] <leftyfb> Guest76: you are asking very loaded questions. Security is a very broad topic, which doesn't fit into 1 piece of documentation nor something that can just "enabled"
[20:43] <Guest76> And you guys didnt comment on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Minimal
[20:43] <Guest76> leftyfb I am sorry, I just want to learn. Can you atleast tell me what I should read after I am done with my Ubuntu admin book? If my goal is to have the leanest meanest secure Ubuntu server?
[20:47] <leftyfb> Guest76: sorry, I do not have any tutorials bookmarked or that I'm aware of that I would personally recommend other than typing "ubuntu security" or "linux security" into google. I also wouldn't learn this stuff on a public-facing machine.
[20:50] <Guest76> leftylb Ok, how do I learn about the different parts of Ubuntu? I guess that is the right place to start? Do you agree?
[21:04] <larrytriumph650> anyone know how to add a new user
[21:06] <rfm> larrytriumph650, I use the "adduser" command, read the man page if it's the first time.  Most of the DEs have a graphical account manager, but I've never used them...
[21:06] <toddc> sudo adduser username
[21:12] <larrytriumph650> thanks
[21:20] <Guest76> idk why i got disconnected. If you guys shared info, please share again
[21:20] <Guest76> Anyone have info on lean linux server for backend applications?
[21:27] <Guest76> nothing?
[22:22] <morgan-u2> 22.04 I think - I want to change my highlight color. I read I cannot change if from orange. WHAT? Mine is blue. As in bookmark something and see the text highlighted in hard to read "darker blue with black letters. Yellow might be good. or pink. or light blue. I just want to read it more easily. Chrome. all updates installed.
[22:26] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/highlight-color/dllbflhpdeinobodaaibnojmgejkkjii
[22:26] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: 2nd result on google for: "google chrome change highlight color"
[22:26] <leftyfb> morgan-u2: this also isn't related to ubuntu at all
[22:27] <morgan-u2> so thanks. I looked it up as ubuntu not as chrome.
[22:40] <morgan-u2> Just fyi neither cultom highlight nor highlight color changes the highlight color. Oh well.
[22:40] <morgan-u2> fyi leftyfb