[01:17] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:50] <PeGaSuS> morning 
[10:46] <Guest76> hi, i am trying to decide between alpine linux and ubuntu.
[10:46] <Guest76> can someone help ?
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> as we are in the ubuntu chat(s) we advice ubuntu
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu has a great, big community
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> but it all depends on what you really need Guest76 
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> maybe if you share whats important to you, volunteers can share ideas
[10:48] <Guest76> I want to build a server that is specific for running backend apps like Java & Node.js and maybe mysql.
[10:48] <Guest76> I want it to be as lean as possible but not sure if I should choose alpine linux because they dont have a revenue business model.
[10:48] <Guest76> Unless I am wrong about that
[10:50] <Guest76> lotuspsychje
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> i never tested alpine myself, so i cant advice on that
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> we do have a great #ubuntu-server channel here, in weekdays pretty active
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> and ubuntu server is a swiss knife for all your needs too
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> solid base
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> lets assume you want to try 22.04 server, you might take a look at the releasenotes Guest76 
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> !22.04
[10:52] <Guest76> ok thank you
[10:53] <Guest76> lotuspsychje how do i learn to gut down all the stuff i dont need in an ubuntu server for my scenario of running java & node.js apps?
[10:53] <Guest76> so its as lean as possible.
[10:53] <Guest76> i dont know where to begin.
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !server
[10:56] <Guest76> lotuspsychje, no current is this "Download Ubuntu Server 22.04.3 LTS"
[10:56] <Guest76> not 20.04
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> good spot
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> for your case, the server docs and releasenotes would be a good start
[10:58] <Guest76> lotuspsychje it wont talk about what I can remove or not remove from the server, it will talk about updates in that version.
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !no server is <reply> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is !Jammy Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish)- More info: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition - Guide:  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs - Support in #ubuntu-server
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> Guest76: when installing ubuntu-server things are prety vanilla, then you start building up the services you want on your server
[11:02] <Guest76> lotuspsychje I understand that things are pretty vanilla but my goal is that if there is a 10kb file that i wont need, i want to delete it. How do I start learning to reach this goal?
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> lol?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> good luck with that
[11:05] <Guest76> big task i assume
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> Guest76: there are plenty of shredders and cleaners to wipe unwanted stuff around too
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> bleachbit for example
[11:08] <Guest76> lotuspsychje thats for cleaning disk space, it wont make the distro smaller
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> why
[17:22] <leftyfb> that latest spam troll has been posting the same garbage on multiple networks for at least 14 years (I have logs)
[17:31] <jeremy31> Someone up to banning 14 years worth of IP addresses
[17:32] <leftyfb> they're over on EFnet now. I'm asking why they have been doing this for over a decade. I can understand for a few years. We were all dumb kids once. But they're an adult now.
[17:32] <leftyfb> and they simply refuse to answer the question
[17:34] <leftyfb> I used to have an eggdrop over on EFnet that would ban anyone that said their predictable garbage. I think it had over 100 regex's to look for. They stopped a few years ago so I took it offline.
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> libera staff is aware. It's like playing whack-a-mole because it's scripted through multiple VPNs.
[17:40] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: yeah, there's no way to block them completely. You have to put up with the garbage spam and be reactive. Like I said, my bot used to catch all of his garbage and he was removed immediately after posting once. Here, we have to wait for staff to respond, if available.
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> As you see, they got K-lined, but that only works on cloaks and IPs.
[21:44] <JanC> leftyfb: I doubt it's the same person all these years; the scripts for this have been around as open source since the 1990s
[21:44] <jeremy31> Obviously modified to include Libera 
[21:45] <leftyfb> It’s the same person
[21:46] <JanC> jeremy31: maybe, or they just scrape netsplit.de for a list of networks  :)
[21:47] <JanC> leftyfb: if it is known who this is, why has nobody reported them to the police / sued them?
[21:47] <jeremy31> Could be some AI behind it
[21:48] <leftyfb> Nope. Not when I had an entire conversation with them on EFnet shortly after they got Klined here
[21:48] <leftyfb> JanC: police? For spamming IRC?
[21:49] <jeremy31> Canadian IPs?
[21:49] <JanC> spamming is illegal, but you could also see it as harassment/stalking, and there is the cost of dealing with it (which you could probably sue them for)
[21:49] <leftyfb> They use proxies.
[21:50] <leftyfb> Spamming is not illegal
[21:50] <JanC> it is in some countries
[21:50] <leftyfb> Hell, SPAM email isn’t even illegal in the U.S.
[21:50] <jeremy31> Spam phone calls in the USA are only legal in some cases
[21:51] <JanC> I think the law here says you can only spam customers or people who agreed to be spammed
[21:51] <JanC> or members of a group, etc.
[21:51] <leftyfb> Either way, online trolls hardly ever get brought to justice. Most of them grow out of it. But some don’t apparently
[21:52] <jeremy31> JanC: similar here for phone 
[22:11] <Square> I would like to install https://github.com/Fausto-Korpsvart/Everforest-GTK-Theme but the creator talks about copying files here and there. Is there some place to look for a ppa to avoid all the manual work? 
[22:14] <leftyfb> Square: unlikely