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| Muligan | have an oddball on my hands here | 00:15 |
|---|---|---|
| Muligan | created a batch of ubuntu 22.04lts servers | 00:15 |
| Muligan | originally built w/a single NIC | 00:15 |
| Muligan | internal/LAN IP addresses set | 00:15 |
| Muligan | routed just fine, then added (2) more NICs | 00:15 |
| Muligan | programmed up the additional (2) NICs, moved default route from internal/LAN eth port, on over to WAN, same w/DNS | 00:16 |
| Muligan | LAN: ens160, WAN: ens192, NAS-NET: ens224 | 00:16 |
| Muligan | I've a static route built on ens160 for internal LAN resources | 00:17 |
| Muligan | and 0.0.0.0/0 built on the WAN interface for each VM | 00:17 |
| stringymail | #wikipediaisfun | 00:17 |
| Muligan | they route out just fine, resolve against WAN interface programmed DNS servers | 00:18 |
| Muligan | I can route to public WAN interfaces/IP addresses | 00:18 |
| Muligan | however: Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings | 00:19 |
| Muligan | I'm unable to even curl that URL | 00:20 |
| Muligan | apt update/upgrade works just fine however | 00:20 |
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| Muligan | these are VMs built within vCenter | 00:22 |
| Muligan | what gets me is on the LAN interface (ens160), when they were initially built, they were behind a router providing dhcp | 00:22 |
| Muligan | the initial worker and manager VMs were cloned down the line | 00:23 |
| Muligan | what I spotted is the (3) manager VMs were all receiving the same IP from the DHCP service | 00:23 |
| Muligan | and the other (2) worker VMs were receiving the same IP as well | 00:24 |
| Muligan | all NICs with newly generated MAC addresses | 00:24 |
| Muligan | using another freshly built VM from months ago, housed within the similar WAN segment of the network, 0 issues | 00:28 |
| tomreyn | i'd not want to be in your shoes, but if i was, i'd try to first establish whether i'm dealing with a dhcp, routing, other network configuration or resover issue | 00:32 |
| tomreyn | also whether the issue is outside of the system, in terms of network gear, or inside the system | 00:33 |
| Muligan | dhcp is out for now | 00:33 |
| Muligan | I only use DHCP for the initial phase of of setup for these machines | 00:33 |
| Muligan | routing isn't an issue either as i've another 100 or so VMs within the same networks | 00:33 |
| Muligan | resolvers work just fine as they're currently serving up thousands of queries/sec | 00:33 |
| tomreyn | have you don some traceroutes? are the right static routes being taken for the different targets? | 00:35 |
| tomreyn | oh you're saying you ruled out routing, i see | 00:35 |
| Muligan | yea, traceroutes are all clear | 00:35 |
| Muligan | i can even ping cvhangelogs.ubuntu.com from involved VMs | 00:36 |
| tomreyn | i guess it's over my head, or the part of it i want to dedicate to this question at this point. ;) you can also try #ubuntu-server and #networking | 00:36 |
| Muligan | this is a very first for me | 00:37 |
| tomreyn | (or wait here for someone else who is more happy to) | 00:37 |
| Muligan | however, the only thing different with this deployment was the cloning part of said VMs | 00:37 |
| tomreyn | you could also inspect traffic and especially arp | 00:37 |
| Muligan | but you'd think that the original units that these were spawned from wouldn't have an issue | 00:37 |
| tomreyn | i'd make sure to both change / clone MAC addresses but also machine ids | 00:39 |
| Muligan | tomreyn, looking over the machine IDs, they even report differently | 00:51 |
| tomreyn | well, that's the only things i could think of | 00:52 |
| tomreyn | even though i don't expect the machine id to actually affect networking as long as the mac address can be examined | 00:53 |
| Muligan | ditto | 00:53 |
| Muligan | heh, really scratching my head on this one for sure! | 00:53 |
| tomreyn | Muligan: so did you tcpdump the curl request? | 00:56 |
| Muligan | tomreyn, crazy | 01:22 |
| Muligan | so just doing a tcpdump on that singular WAN interface | 01:22 |
| Muligan | I'm seeing a wide array or broadcast traffic as expected | 01:23 |
| Muligan | targeting that specific dst host, pics up the icmp traffic as well | 01:23 |
| Muligan | however, the curl don't do squat | 01:23 |
| Muligan | i think imma re-arrange my interfaces accordingly | 01:23 |
| Muligan | ty for the help, imma step away for the night, grab some food, etc. | 01:24 |
| tomreyn | good luck | 01:24 |
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| paul424 | Hello, hello, I fight to install nvidia binary blob on 14 years old laptop. The systems proceeds to the gdm.service and loads infinetly . I do use NOMODESET | 07:10 |
| paul424 | I TRY to log to diffrent console, but that does not work. | 07:10 |
| paul424 | that is when I press c - a - NUMBER it immediatly jumps back to the X11 ( unstarted ) console | 07:11 |
| paul424 | what to do ? | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychj3 | paul424: wich ubuntu release/flavour? | 07:11 |
| paul424 | 22 | 07:11 |
| paul424 | 22 LTS | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychj3 | desktop? | 07:11 |
| paul424 | yes 64 bit | 07:11 |
| lotuspsychj3 | perhaps try a xubuntu or lubuntu on your older hardware paul424 | 07:12 |
| paul424 | I somehow once proceeded to the console | 07:12 |
| lotuspsychj3 | might work better then a heavier gnome | 07:12 |
| paul424 | with very good luck | 07:12 |
| paul424 | lotuspsychj3, know that , will try xfce4, BUT FIRST need to log to this console | 07:12 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !tty | paul424 | 07:13 |
| ubottu | paul424: To get to the TTY terminals 3-6, use the keystroke Ctrl + Alt + F3-F6 respectively. Ctrl-Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F1 will get you back to your graphical login (Ctrl-Alt-F7 on 16.04). To change TTY resolution, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychj3 | or recoverymode with rootshell & networking enabled | 07:13 |
| paul424 | that is when I press c - a - NUMBER it immediatly jumps back to the X11 ( unstarted ) console | 07:13 |
| paul424 | that is when I press c - a - NUMBER it immediatly jumps back to the X11 ( unstarted ) console | 07:13 |
| paul424 | I want Ubuntu , cause we use Ubuntu already at our school, and don't want to bring chaos into it. | 07:14 |
| paul424 | recovermode seems doable ... | 07:15 |
| paul424 | but maybe later , now I need to go, thanks lotuspsychj3 ! | 07:15 |
| lotuspsychj3 | later | 07:15 |
| mandem0110 | I'm trying to save as much power as possible on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS. In my bios I've turned off bluetooth and wifi. I've set USBS to suspend with tlp. turned off my turbo boost for my CPU and set my cpu hz to the lowest possible (1400) anything else I can do? | 08:22 |
| mandem0110 | screen brightness is on the lowest too. and I set my refresh rate to the lowest I could (40hz) | 08:25 |
| StucKman | beware, 40 might not be enough and can non-literally kill your eyes | 08:26 |
| StucKman | fatigue them, a lot | 08:27 |
| StucKman | more stuff: install ublock origin and noscript on firefox. they require some fiddling on every site's first use, but removes a lot of crap you don't really need | 08:28 |
| mandem0110 | StucKman: I've not really noticed a difference with 40 tbh. And I have AdGuard network-wide so I'm sorted on the "crap" end... | 08:29 |
| StucKman | right | 08:29 |
| StucKman | noscript might be a little too much, but I like it that way | 08:30 |
| mandem0110 | trying to get this as low as possible: energy-rate: 3.03912 W just irc open.... | 08:31 |
| StucKman | the other day a freind of mine was complaining about some frankly useless use of distributed cursor tracking on a page I sent him which I didn't see because of noscript | 08:31 |
| StucKman | mandem0110: I'm curious, how do you measure? | 08:31 |
| mandem0110 | upower. | 08:31 |
| StucKman | right | 08:31 |
| mandem0110 | oh and my laptop cpu fan is always off too. | 08:35 |
| imman | this author is nice for food of thought guys ... . hacking in modern era ... . https://dodoskraito.wordpress.com | 08:45 |
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| sreve | I need to create a user that can't login with ssh but have read/write access to one given directory. No password but a ssh-key is needed. | 09:29 |
| sreve | can someone point me in the right direction? | 09:29 |
| clos | i was wondering there is an update rolled out for libc because of a cve, does this update needs a reboot of the machune? | 10:06 |
| JanC | clos: to make all running processes use it you'll need a reboot, yes | 10:11 |
| clos | Thanks, JanC for you reply, well then we are going to reboot my machines | 10:12 |
| JanC | you can also look at if & how you are affected by the CVE to decide about an immediate reboot or waiting until after midnight or so | 10:14 |
| laguna123 | what is the deal with registering with nickserv | 10:41 |
| laguna123 | ok nevermind all that crap about register..i think its ok | 11:01 |
| laguna123 | at least thunderbird put a new approach for showing some menu options for messages on gnome and got around one problem with it on gnome | 11:02 |
| laguna123 | how far are the live patch backpatches for kernel 5.15 on jammy, have they backpatched it up to kernel 6.5.5 | 11:04 |
| laguna123 | who is doing the livepatch backpatching for ubuntu kernels | 11:05 |
| laguna123 | have they brought it up to date to kernel 6.5.5 | 11:06 |
| laguna123 | what is all these UK people doing in here, is UBUNTU a BRITISH OS or an AFRICAN OS | 11:08 |
| laguna123 | users like rypervenche and many others show up as accessing from Britain | 11:08 |
| lotuspsychj3 | laguna123: we dont take polls in the support channel | 11:09 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !discuss | 11:09 |
| ubottu | Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! | 11:09 |
| laguna123 | lotuspsychj3 well i do...a person should know their enemies so they don't underestimate them | 11:09 |
| laguna123 | i despise people that desire to make their graves with the filthy rich pigs | 11:10 |
| lotuspsychj3 | stop that please laguna123 | 11:11 |
| laguna123 | i was never allowed to make my DOCTOR's enormous salaries because those god damn niggers fired me for not being a goddamn nigger and never corrected it and then stole my wife and kids and tried to erase me just because i was a GREEK Doctor and not a goddamn nigger...and they are enemies of HOLY and HOLY matrimony...trying to mess with my marriage | 11:13 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:06 |
| ComputerTech | Heya | 12:06 |
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| Windy | I've got a server (22.04) with an Intel X520 NIC. It works (eventually) if I 'modprobe ixgbe', but the module doesn't seem to load by default. what's the correct way to do this? | 13:31 |
| Windy | oh, is it /etc/modules ? | 13:32 |
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| ravage | yes | 13:32 |
| skraito-9day | hi all | 13:32 |
| skraito-9day | do you guys want to see heaven | 13:32 |
| skraito-9day | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA7uXNeVRjs&t=364s | 13:32 |
| skraito-9day | i skraito the earthquake guy | 13:33 |
| Windy | ravage: heh, thanks. Sorry, I was searching, but didn't come up with that answer until I'd already asked here. Thanks | 13:33 |
| skraito-9day | has come to you | 13:33 |
| skraito-9day | let's shake the earth boys | 13:33 |
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| skraito-9day | is finished is finished is finished finally it's finished | 13:36 |
| leftyfb | !op | skraito-9day | 13:36 |
| ubottu | skraito-9day: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant | 13:36 |
| skraito-9day | amen amen amen surely surely true ... . | 13:37 |
| Windy | o_o | 13:38 |
| Windy | hmm, I added "ixgbe" on it's own line in /etc/modules, but after rebooting the interfaces aren't up until I "rmmod ixgbe" then "modprobe ixgbe". any ideas? | 13:44 |
| Windy | or rather, the interfaces don't show up. | 13:46 |
| Windy | on a fresh boot ixgbe shows up in lsmod ... | 13:54 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Windy: perhaps the #ubuntu-server crew can advice you on that module? | 13:56 |
| Windy | thanks lotuspsychj3l, I'll try it | 13:56 |
| OlegD | I need to cover something over my VLC full screen video | 14:20 |
| OlegD | I would call some images and put it to coords, but I can not find way to open smaller icons then standard image preview -> any suggestions? | 14:21 |
| lotuspsychj3 | OlegD: cover your vlc? can you elaborate what you trying to do? | 14:23 |
| taylan | hey all, is there a way to make a service reload instead of restart when installing an update for it? in this case it's php8.1-fpm and the reason I'm asking is that the last time I updated it, the restart took ages on a live system and caused significant downtime... reload on php-fpm is supported and near-instant I believe. | 16:15 |
| taylan | (the issue during restart has, I think, mostly to do with the fact that my "vps" is actually a virtuozzo container on a badly over-provisioned system; I'm using an ultra-cheap crappy vps host and you get what you pay for) | 16:16 |
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| tomreyn | taylan: to your first question: no, the outdated processes actually have to shutdown / be killed so the updated ones can take over fresh. just reloading (sighup) would not replace the (outdated) process. your issue is really this limited system you have there. i'm happy to suggest alternatives if you provide your current budget in #ubuntu-offtopic | 16:54 |
| taylan | according to the php fpm log, it uses execvp when I execute "systemctl reload php8.1-fpm" so I'm not sure why it would need a full restart... | 17:08 |
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| paul424 | Hello , how do I run my Ubuntu installment into recovery mode ? | 17:58 |
| leftyfb | !recovery | paul424 | 17:58 |
| ubottu | paul424: If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode | 17:58 |
| lotuspsychj3 | paul424> Hello, hello, I fight to install nvidia binary blob on 14 years old laptop. The systems proceeds to the gdm.service and loads infinetly . I do use NOMODESET | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychj3 | from this morning^ | 17:59 |
| lotuspsychj3 | paul424 wasnt able to get a console, so i adviced recoverymode | 18:01 |
| fjordlord | hello | 18:02 |
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| lotuspsychj3 | welcome fjordlord | 18:11 |
| fjordlord | im new on linux but its quite nice | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychj3 | this is the ubuntu support channel here fjordlord you can ask questions around ubuntu if you like | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychj3 | we also have chatrooms | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !chat | 18:15 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 18:15 |
| lotuspsychj3 | welcome to the community | 18:16 |
| fjordlord | do you guys have tried Nicotine+? | 18:17 |
| lotuspsychj3 | hows that related to ubuntu fjordlord | 18:18 |
| fjordlord | I thought it was made for ubuntu? | 18:18 |
| paul424 | What is it ? | 18:19 |
| fjordlord | it is a file sharing application | 18:19 |
| naxil | hi | 18:22 |
| paul424 | I download this file with the speed of 20 KB/s , why is that ? https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy/blob/340.108/6.2/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.108-patched-kernel-6.2.run | 18:24 |
| fjordlord | hello | 18:24 |
| paul424 | How do I get network in recovery mode ? | 18:47 |
| leftyfb | paul424: try running: dhclient | 18:48 |
| paul424 | ohhhh silly me, for sure | 18:48 |
| paul424 | How do I install the equivalent of openSuse pattern c++-programmer ? | 18:49 |
| Eickmeyer | paul424: build-essential might give you *most* of what you need. | 18:51 |
| paul424 | oki thanks | 18:51 |
| paul424 | leftyfb, okey dokey - the machine still has a problem resolving a DNS domain address. | 18:53 |
| Eickmeyer | paul424: Instead of patterns, apt has what are called "metapackages" which have recommended packages as soft dependencies. | 18:53 |
| paul424 | I see | 18:53 |
| leftyfb | paul424: add your nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf #it'll get overridden on next boot | 18:53 |
| paul424 | leftyfb, what's my nameserver ? the address of a router ? | 18:54 |
| leftyfb | if that's your nameserver, sure | 18:54 |
| leftyfb | if you need local resolution, then probably | 18:55 |
| paul424 | no I need global name resolution of course | 18:55 |
| leftyfb | paul424: if you need local resolution, you probably need to add your router for the nameserver. If you need internet as well as local resolution, then add your router for the nameserver. If you don't care about local resolution, then add whatever public nameserver you want: 8.8.8.8, 1.1.1.1, 75.75.75.75, etc | 18:56 |
| cbreak | nice, 23.10 next week. Seems like I took vacation at the right time :) | 19:06 |
| alicekomp | hi | 19:12 |
| paul424 | How do I tell Ubuntu I want an xfce4 session if I cannot get to the gdm login screen ? | 19:28 |
| KingShark | does startx work? | 19:28 |
| KingShark | my bad you said xfce4 | 19:29 |
| xangua | "startxfce4" ? | 19:29 |
| KingShark | xfce4-session should work | 19:29 |
| paul424 | but I suppose the X11 server is running , but something wrong with it | 19:29 |
| paul424 | oki will try both | 19:29 |
| leftyfb | paul424: at this point, it would have been quicker to reinstall from scratch and restore from backup | 19:31 |
| BarnabasDK | leftyfb, but you would have learned nothing :-) | 19:33 |
| paul424 | loading out-of-tree module taints kernel module verfication failed and/or req missing | 19:37 |
| paul424 | so hwo I could bypass that module verification thing ? | 19:37 |
| paul424 | Tainting the kernel just means you have a binary, probably proprietary firmware blob, and when the module loads it the kernel is "tainted," meaning it's not 100 percent open source anymore. This is quite common with a lot of firmware that's shipped in the firmware packages, and it's the price we pay to be able to use all the hardware Linux is now compatible with due to modules and firmware like this. | 19:40 |
| paul424 | anyway the nvidia-settings doesn't start at all | 19:40 |
| paul424 | and lsmod shows nvidia is present | 19:41 |
| Eickmeyer | paul424: Are you trying to load a driver from outside the Ubuntu repositories? | 19:42 |
| paul424 | sure | 19:42 |
| paul424 | this one https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy/blob/340.108/6.2/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.108-patched-kernel-6.2.run | 19:42 |
| Eickmeyer | You do know that's not supported here, right? | 19:42 |
| Eickmeyer | Support for that is at https://github.com/MeowIce, not here. | 19:43 |
| paul424 | O_O what ? Is there again some anti-close software crusade again, which stirred the range of Richard Stallman ? | 19:43 |
| Eickmeyer | We only support what's in the Ubuntu repositories. We have to draw a line somewhere on what the scope of this channel is. | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Otherwise we'd be supporting everything. | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | FWIW, we have Nvidia drivers in the Ubuntu repos. | 19:44 |
| Eickmeyer | !nvidia | 19:44 |
| ubottu | Drivers for Nvidia graphics cards: (A) No gaming/CAD/CUDA needed or legacy hardware? Use "nouveau" (open source, lacks many features). (B) Otherwise, "nvidia" (proprietary driver, fully featured). Install using "ubuntu-drivers" CLI or apt - not from nvidia.com. Driver series, hardware support (release notes): https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ - Latest drivers !PPA: https://pad.lv/ppa/graphics-drivers | 19:44 |
| iconoclasthero | I have a laptop with 23.04 on it that was booting fine this morning (on /dev/nvme0n1p10) and I installed Rhino along side it on another partition I had created for it. | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | At first, os-prober wouldn't even see the 23.04 install that I had, because, i think i'm using btrfs and it doesn't look in the @ subvolume. | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | I mounted it via `$ mount /dev/n..10 -o subvol=@ /mnt` and ran os-prober again. it recognized the 23.04 install, but when I tried to select it from grub, I got the error | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | "error: file `/boot/vmlinuz-6.2.0-34-generic' is not found. | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | error: you need to load the kernel first." | 19:46 |
| Eickmeyer | !paste | iconoclasthero | 19:46 |
| ubottu | iconoclasthero: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | uh, i typed all that in just now | 19:46 |
| iconoclasthero | sorry | 19:46 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: You almost got muted by the bot. :) | 19:47 |
| iconoclasthero | yeah, i saw | 19:47 |
| iconoclasthero | anyway, it wasn't a paste | 19:47 |
| iconoclasthero | i just wanted to keep my thoughts together. | 19:47 |
| Eickmeyer | Right, best to do it multi-line manually rather than a huge bunch of lines at once. | 19:47 |
| iconoclasthero | i also have another partition with archbang on it that wasn't being recoginzed by the os-prober on 22.10 or 23.04. | 19:48 |
| iconoclasthero | and i think that's also because of the btrfs subvolume. | 19:48 |
| iconoclasthero | i did not know that there was such a thing 10 minutes ago. | 19:48 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: So, the big thing there is that, for security reasons, os-prober is off by default as of 22.04, so you need to go to /etc/default/grub and turn it on. | 19:48 |
| BarnabasDK | 340 - thats old isn't it? | 19:48 |
| iconoclasthero | oh it's on. | 19:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Hmmm.... | 19:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Beyond that I don't know what to say. | 19:49 |
| iconoclasthero | you mean setting the osprober disable to false, yes, it's set that way. | 19:49 |
| BarnabasDK | probably will not work with newer gpus | 19:49 |
| Eickmeyer | BarnabasDK: ? | 19:49 |
| Eickmeyer | !who | BarnabasDK | 19:50 |
| ubottu | BarnabasDK: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) | 19:50 |
| iconoclasthero | but i ran os-prober directly and it didn't see it unless the subvolume was mounted... maybe it has to be mounted directly off the root directory (which is why /mnt worked) | 19:50 |
| iconoclasthero | and that might be how i can get it to see the archbang install | 19:50 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: So, you're saying when you run update-grub it's not detecting it? | 19:50 |
| iconoclasthero | it wasn't | 19:52 |
| iconoclasthero | then when i mounted it using the subvol flag, it did see it | 19:52 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh! Interesting. | 19:52 |
| Eickmeyer | So, your archbang install is on a subvolume in btrfs? | 19:53 |
| iconoclasthero | yes. | 19:53 |
| iconoclasthero | well | 19:53 |
| iconoclasthero | i mean i guess so, the others are in subvolumes | 19:53 |
| iconoclasthero | including my /home | 19:53 |
| iconoclasthero | i'd noticed this before but it wasn't causing a problem so i didn't look into it. | 19:54 |
| iconoclasthero | i thought it was some new ubuntu thing, but i guess it's from btrfs | 19:54 |
| Eickmeyer | That might be why. By default, Ubuntu doesn't work with btrfs and I don't believe our grub scripts know to look in btrfs subvolumes. | 19:54 |
| Eickmeyer | It'd require some script-foo for you to make that happpen. | 19:55 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, it can, but YMMV. | 19:56 |
| iconoclasthero | well, i take it back | 19:56 |
| iconoclasthero | it looks like the archbang is not on a subvolume. | 19:56 |
| iconoclasthero | ok. | 19:57 |
| iconoclasthero | so i just ran os-prober and what i have listed are | 19:58 |
| iconoclasthero | /dev/nv..1p1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootm....:Windows:efi | 19:58 |
| Eickmeyer | Looks like your EFI boot volume. | 19:58 |
| iconoclasthero | /dev/nv..1p10:Ubuntu 23.04 (23.04):Ubuntu:linux | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | There's Ubuntu. | 19:59 |
| iconoclasthero | /dev/nv..1p04:Arch Linux (rolling):Arch:linux | 19:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Archbang. | 19:59 |
| iconoclasthero | and that happens if i 10 mounted on /mnt | 19:59 |
| iconoclasthero | but, presumably only the subvolume | 19:59 |
| iconoclasthero | if i have it in /mnt/10 or don't mount the subvolume, osprober doesn't see it. | 20:00 |
| iconoclasthero | anyway, so it's seeing them when i run that or updategrub, but then grub is not doing it's grubbing. | 20:00 |
| Eickmeyer | And the grub from Ubuntu is what's installed, correct? (you can always run grub-install to be sure). | 20:01 |
| iconoclasthero | well, i think that rhino took over the /boot/efi and so now it's rhino's | 20:02 |
| iconoclasthero | even though grub says "ubuntu" it boots into rhino | 20:02 |
| Eickmeyer | You're using Rolling Rhino? | 20:02 |
| iconoclasthero | Rhino Linux 2023.3 - Generic (x86_64) | 20:02 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, we don't support that here. | 20:03 |
| Eickmeyer | That's unofficial. | 20:03 |
| iconoclasthero | i know, i am trying to get back to my ubuntu install. | 20:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh. I see. | 20:03 |
| iconoclasthero | so i started here since i want to get there. | 20:03 |
| Eickmeyer | Is that what's being run currently? | 20:03 |
| iconoclasthero | rhino is all that boots (i've never booted into windows on this machine, it may work) | 20:04 |
| Eickmeyer | I see. | 20:04 |
| iconoclasthero | when i try to select the newly-discovered-after-mounting-the-subvolume 23.04 install, grub says the thing about loading the kernel | 20:04 |
| Eickmeyer | I have a longshot that maybe an alternate bootloader might solve this, because the one I have in mind looks at all volumes and kernels upon run and doesn't require a preconfiguration script. | 20:05 |
| Eickmeyer | !info refind | 20:05 |
| ubottu | refind (0.13.2-1, lunar): boot manager for EFI-based computers. In component universe, is optional. Built by refind. Size 3,180 kB / 5,216 kB. (Only available for amd64, arm64, i386.) | 20:05 |
| Eickmeyer | Is refind available in Rhino? | 20:05 |
| iconoclasthero | probably since their package manager is a wrapper for apt and pacstall | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Weird. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | Try installing refind and see if you can get into your Ubuntu install from that. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | It'll basically take-over as your default bootloader. | 20:06 |
| Eickmeyer | It's nice and graphical and will tell you what you're booting with the text if you pay attention. | 20:07 |
| iconoclasthero | so it is installed. | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh! | 20:07 |
| iconoclasthero | and it came from apt | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Nice. | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, so that means your EFI has an entry for it in its boot entries. | 20:07 |
| Eickmeyer | Just make it the default and you're all set. | 20:08 |
| iconoclasthero | yes, i gave it permission for that. | 20:08 |
| Eickmeyer | You just need to go into your EFI setup (BIOS settings) and that'll take care of it. | 20:08 |
| iconoclasthero | well, it booted into that by default | 20:09 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh cool! It should've detected every grub and every kernel available. | 20:09 |
| iconoclasthero | sort of | 20:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Everything else would be in a submenu (like old kernel versions) | 20:10 |
| iconoclasthero | it sees a bunch of stuff, but when i tried to boot into 23.04, it said No root device spefified. Boot arguments must include a root= parameter. | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh weird. | 20:11 |
| iconoclasthero | and now i;m in busybox | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, that does seem odd. | 20:11 |
| iconoclasthero | which was basically the same thing that i think grub was doing | 20:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Now we've got another situation where basically the fstab on the Ubuntu install is wrong. | 20:11 |
| iconoclasthero | well, refind let me into rhino ok... | 20:12 |
| Eickmeyer | Right, which is nice, but your Ubuntu install's fstab has a bad fstab entry for its root partition, which means it's unable to mount it. | 20:12 |
| iconoclasthero | the line in the 23.04 fstab is | 20:13 |
| Eickmeyer | Basically, it's looking for the wrong UUID. | 20:13 |
| iconoclasthero | UUID=x / btrfs defaults, subvol=0 0 1 | 20:13 |
| iconoclasthero | sorry | 20:13 |
| iconoclasthero | subvol=@ | 20:13 |
| Eickmeyer | I highly recommend this: https://www.supergrubdisk.org/ | 20:13 |
| Eickmeyer | It has bailed me out of many situations similar to yours. | 20:14 |
| iconoclasthero | it's 12.8 MB? | 20:15 |
| cbreak | an other reason for me to be happy to have moved away from grub | 20:15 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: Yep. It's only running grub for the most part. | 20:15 |
| iconoclasthero | ok. | 20:15 |
| Eickmeyer | cbreak: Yeah, I run refind usually. | 20:15 |
| iconoclasthero | i have enabled the suspend/restore | 20:15 |
| iconoclasthero | which means i have secure boot off, right? | 20:16 |
| cbreak | refind + zfsbootmenu is nice | 20:16 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: That may or may not be true. | 20:16 |
| iconoclasthero | i think it is... | 20:16 |
| iconoclasthero | i remember that being part of the steps | 20:16 |
| iconoclasthero | i don't remember what it was, but i found something that made my gub menu look better. | 20:20 |
| iconoclasthero | and it did until today. | 20:20 |
| iconoclasthero | i figured since i wasn't on an lts anyway, i might as well try something different. don't think i'll go to a non-lts ever again. | 20:21 |
| BarnabasDK | iconoclasthero, only do it if you have hw so new it lacks support in the lts | 20:21 |
| BarnabasDK | else, I really do not see the benefit | 20:22 |
| iconoclasthero | ok | 20:22 |
| iconoclasthero | no, i don't either | 20:22 |
| iconoclasthero | won't make that mistake again. | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | so i'm in super grub 2 beta | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | and the first option is detect and show boot methods | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | i don't have raid or lvm | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | i doubt i need to enable all disk drivers | 20:23 |
| Eickmeyer | So, iconoclasthero , grub-customizer is horrible, for future reference. I've only seen it give people headaches. Never use it. | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | i don't think that's what it was. | 20:23 |
| iconoclasthero | and yes, it sucks, it's never worked for me | 20:24 |
| iconoclasthero | might have been this: https://www.pling.com/p/1482847/ | 20:25 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, theming grub is one thing, but using grub-customizer to do it. | 20:27 |
| Eickmeyer | That's another. | 20:27 |
| Eickmeyer | I developed the themes for Edubuntu and Ubuntu Studio. | 20:27 |
| iconoclasthero | well, supergrub2 does not seem to be getting me any closer to booting that other partition. | 20:30 |
| iconoclasthero | what about trying to get the file it says it can't find into /boot? | 20:30 |
| BarnabasDK | Eickmeyer, you also themed grub? | 20:30 |
| BarnabasDK | seems sort of overkill to me | 20:30 |
| Eickmeyer | BarnabasDK: Enhanced UX. It's minimal theming. | 20:31 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: The file is /etc/fstab in the Ubuntu install. | 20:32 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: The UUID for the root needs to be fixed for whatever the intended root for the Ubuntu install is. | 20:33 |
| iconoclasthero | secure boot is off | 20:34 |
| iconoclasthero | let me get the fstab and lsblk and blkid into a paste | 20:35 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: secure boot, in this case, is irrellevant. | 20:35 |
| iconoclasthero | patebin.com/QejgJXxP | 20:38 |
| iconoclasthero | pastebin.com/QejgJXxP | 20:39 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: Which partition is supposed to be the root for Ubuntu? | 20:40 |
| iconoclasthero | 10 | 20:40 |
| Eickmeyer | ok | 20:40 |
| iconoclasthero | you see this? UUID_SUB="79abf317-b3c7-4882-86ba-cdf4fceadb35" | 20:40 |
| iconoclasthero | if i can use that in fstab then i don't have to worry about the subvolume. | 20:41 |
| iconoclasthero | (i assume) | 20:41 |
| Eickmeyer | I see the problem. Yeah, I see that. Do you see the comment? "/ was on /dev/sda2 during installation" implies it was on a different partition at one point. | 20:41 |
| iconoclasthero | honestly, i don't remember nor do i know how that would've happened. | 20:42 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not sure how to help you on this. | 20:43 |
| iconoclasthero | yeah | 20:43 |
| Eickmeyer | I know there's a reason why Ubuntu doesn't support btrfs by default and it's a "do it at your own risk" thing, but I'm not sure this is the reason. | 20:43 |
| iconoclasthero | what about commenting out that line in ubuntu/fstab and putting in UUID_SUB=.... in instead and trying btrfs? | 20:43 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, you could try. At this point, you've got nothing to lose. You might also try searching on askubuntu.com and see if anything shows up there. | 20:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Be sure to comment out the line and copy it to a new line so you don't completely destroy it. | 20:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Or backup the fstab. | 20:45 |
| iconoclasthero | the secure boot thing is relevent because there are two different versions of super grub2 | 20:57 |
| iconoclasthero | and the error i get when trying to chainload that partition is "Sorry, but we are booted via UEFI and can not load this OS. Please try booting SG2D via BIOS Compatibility Mode. Press escape to return to the menu" | 20:58 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: Ah. That means it was installed with BIOS compabitility mode and not via EFI mode, which means secure boot isn't a factor, but EFI itself is a factor. Did you switch EFI off when you installed Ubuntu initially? | 21:01 |
| iconoclasthero | i couldn't tell you that, but when i switched to BIOS mode, it says invalid signature | 21:01 |
| iconoclasthero | and i was booting into UEFI mode yesterday | 21:01 |
| Eickmeyer | Then I seriously couldn't tell you how to get into your Ubuntu partition. The good news is that if your /home partition is separate, you've lost nothing. The bad news is, you may have to reinstall Ubuntu. | 21:02 |
| iconoclasthero | https://www.lorenzobettini.it/2022/04/multibooting-with-grub/ | 21:13 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | hello | 21:22 |
| iconoclasthero | man in a box | 21:23 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | iconoclasthero: so you know AIC | 21:23 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | man in the box is one of my faves | 21:24 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | with Nutshell close behind | 21:24 |
| iconoclasthero | i mean, i listened to them in the early 90s but not my thing anymore | 21:25 |
| iconoclasthero | i had that cd | 21:25 |
| rubixyt | hi | 21:25 |
| rubixyt | what system are you using | 21:26 |
| rubixyt | im using manjaro, and you? | 21:27 |
| rubixyt | anyone? | 21:28 |
| Eickmeyer | !chat | 21:28 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 21:28 |
| BarnabasDK | rubixyt, I think chances are people here are using ubuntu | 21:28 |
| rubixyt | ok | 21:28 |
| rubixyt | im using manjaro | 21:29 |
| BarnabasDK | do you have an Ubuntu related question? | 21:29 |
| Eickmeyer | !manjaro | 21:29 |
| ubottu | Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Arch Linux, Manjaro, Slackware (using other packaging systems) | 21:29 |
| rubixyt | yes | 21:29 |
| BarnabasDK | great | 21:29 |
| rubixyt | whats the latest version of ubuntu, termux ubuntu, terminal tutorial in ubuntu. | 21:30 |
| Eickmeyer | 23.04 is the latest supported version of Ubuntu. | 21:30 |
| Eickmeyer | 23 is the year, 04 is the month of release. | 21:30 |
| Eickmeyer | 23.10 will be released on October 12. | 21:30 |
| iconoclasthero | so i created another menu entry using the 40_custom in /etc/grub.d | 21:30 |
| iconoclasthero | and i booted into ubuntu. | 21:31 |
| Eickmeyer | iconoclasthero: YAY! | 21:31 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | funny. i googled it and it said 22.04.3 was the latest ubuntu version | 21:31 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | i find that a little strange | 21:31 |
| rubixyt | yy.mm.dd | 21:31 |
| Eickmeyer | AliceInChainsGuy: 22.04.3 is the latest long-term-support release. | 21:31 |
| AliceInChainsGuy | i was just about to say that | 21:32 |
| rubixyt | what about the rest of my questions? | 21:32 |
| Eickmeyer | rubixyt: No, yy.mm.p p=point release version. | 21:32 |
| Eickmeyer | rubixyt: You can always check packages.ubuntu.com for that information. | 21:32 |
| Eickmeyer | rubixyt: But it depends on what supported version you're using, which can be either 20.04, 22.04, or 23.04. | 21:33 |
| BarnabasDK | rubixyt, for the last part of your q why would terminal gymnastics be different in ubuntu as opposed to your manjaro? | 21:33 |
| * Eickmeyer afk now | 21:34 | |
| rubixyt | the last part in q is "terminal in ubuntu tutorial". | 21:35 |
| iconoclasthero | i can't get back to my old desktop though | 21:35 |
| BarnabasDK | rubixyt, bash is bash on linux and on freebsd | 21:36 |
| rubixyt | hello! ruenoak! | 21:37 |
| rubixyt | !online | 21:38 |
| rubixyt | !manjaro | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Arch Linux, Manjaro, Slackware (using other packaging systems) | 21:39 |
| rubixyt | 69420 is funny as same as ubuntu having a update. | 21:40 |
| BarnabasDK | rubixyt, there is a thousand people in this channel, if you want to fool around with ubotto I think she is on ubuntu-offtopic too | 21:40 |
| mirko__ | i need help about a5/1 | 21:51 |
| iconoclast_hero | So I'm going to have issues switching back and forth between these distros as long as my uid is different on the two installs, right? how do i go about making them the same? | 21:53 |
| iconoclast_hero | since i'm 1000 on ubuntu and NOT 1000 on rhino, i assume i'd need to match ubuntu to what rhino has (1002??), correct? | 21:53 |
| Drukarex | hi | 21:56 |
| JanC | or vice versa, yes | 21:58 |
| JanC | you can also use an external user database like LDAP/AD or such | 21:59 |
| iconoclasthero | i don't wanna! | 22:01 |
| iconoclasthero | lol | 22:01 |
| BarnabasDK | yp to the rescue :-) but it will probably require a third machine running this somewhere | 22:06 |
| iconoclasthero | that looks more complicated | 22:13 |
| rubixyt | how do install chrome on ubuntu and manjaro? | 22:26 |
| jeremy31 | chrome google.com | 22:27 |
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| iconoclast_hero | mkdir -p ~/bin/src | 22:32 |
| iconoclast_hero | wget -O ~/bin/src/google-chrome.deb https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb | 22:32 |
| iconoclast_hero | sudi dpkg -i ~/bin/src/google-chrome.deb | 22:32 |
| iconoclast_hero | sudo dpkg -i ~/bin/src/google-chrome.deb | 22:33 |
| BarnabasDK | yp is complicated but I know of no other unix/linux like technology that approaches the idea of distribution of users, roles and rights the way say, windows does it though the ad etc. | 22:35 |
| Eickmeyer | FWIW, we do not support Google Chrome here. | 22:41 |
| Eickmeyer | (it comes from outside of the Ubuntu repos) | 22:41 |
| * ravage hides all his snaps | 22:42 | |
| Eickmeyer | ravage: You know we support the installation of snaps, just not the snaps themselves. | 22:43 |
| * Eickmeyer looks at all of ravage's snaps that he's made | 22:43 | |
| ravage | just some | 22:43 |
| Eickmeyer | XD | 22:43 |
| ravage | 8 so far | 22:44 |
| * Eickmeyer knows who to go to for help in the future with snap development. XD | 22:44 | |
| * ravage points to ogra | 22:44 | |
| Eickmeyer | HAHAHAHAHAHA | 22:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, when I see ogra next month, I'll tell him where the fingerpointing came from. XD | 22:45 |
| ravage | where? | 22:45 |
| Eickmeyer | Ubuntu Summit | 22:45 |
| ravage | ah right. its not really around the corner. | 22:46 |
| Eickmeyer | November 3-6 | 22:46 |
| Eickmeyer | or something like that. | 22:46 |
| Eickmeyer | 3-5 | 22:46 |
| ravage | Riga is nice but im not sure i can get away from work | 22:46 |
| ravage | November 3rd – 5th yes | 22:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Totally understand. :) | 22:46 |
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| master_ | #manaus | 22:54 |
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