[12:57] <guiverc> vorlon (#ubuntu-release) asked about https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036999 being flagged for/by us; I don't have a wifi-internet install handy to see (overwritten by last without internet); anyone around with details?  our 'final' image isn't on iso.qa I think b/c of this
[12:57] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2036999 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity: Wifi password not copied to new install" [High, Fix Released]
 Reading the bug, it specifically states Ubiquity. Why did we flag it?
[13:05] <guiverc> to my knowledge we did not.  vorlon asked tsimonq2 (no answer yet) if we were asked about it 
 I don't know that we were.
[13:06] <guiverc> I can't recall if wifi was working AFTER-first-boot on new wifi-enabled install; my last install on wifi device was without internet.. so I don't have a wifi enabled mantic to check
 I can run through a test in a little bit
[13:07] <guiverc> y
 I will need to download a daily so it will be a few
[13:07]  * guiverc that was intended for the mkusb window 
 👍
[13:07] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez , i'm writing iso now, but I really wanna go to bed ..
 I just got up. I need some coffee while I download stuff.
[13:08] <guiverc> if a problem though, i'm writing current daily... (i'm gonna go clean teeth & other usual stuff.. so can do it in the background)
[13:18] <kc2bez> slow downloads are slow
[13:24] <guiverc> my zsync was >90% complete at start.. thus still on slow-write-to media (though that's mostly done anyway)
[13:28] <kc2bez> Weird mine aborted at the end, I had to start it up again and it finished almost immediately.
[13:28] <kc2bez> Writing to disk now
[13:29] <guiverc> i've just ejected thumb-drive & booting on sony thingy kc2bez 
[13:34] <kc2bez> Booting on my Asus thingy 
[13:34] <guiverc> :)
[13:35]  * guiverc hopes your thingy has full size keyboard & larger screen than this one
[13:37] <kc2bez> It actually isn't bad. No 10 key on the side so the remainder isn't squished. 
[13:40] <kc2bez> Rebooting 
[13:41] <guiverc> my think is still at initramfs... of install
[13:41] <kc2bez> Yup, no wireless. 
[13:41] <kc2bez> :(
[13:42] <guiverc> yeah :(  but to me that's not a huge issue; we should only install once, so twice entering a wifi key ain't that bad ...
[13:44] <kc2bez> I agree. It is Simon's call but I don't think it should be a release blocker. We need to get it in the release notes though. 
[13:45] <guiverc> finally rebooted mine & can confirm I have no internet wifi password on first boot..
[13:52] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez !
[13:53] <kc2bez> Thanks to you as well!
 Caught me at a good spot to send vorlon a response with a fix ;)
 guiverc: Sometimes I don't know how we'd do it without you my friend :)
 Kay, here's my thoughts on RC blocker: yes. It's a regression from the last release and the solution is already easy and known.
 fyi we are in final freeze and release is this week so we need to *fix it* if its a regression
 just sayin
 NSS (re @teward001: fyi we are in final freeze and release is this week so we need to *fix it* if its a regression)
 ;)
[14:38] <kc2bez> Just so I am clear, we know what the fix is? Or we know what the workaround is? I am feeling a little dense on the actual fix. 
 I'll respond on -release as soon as I walk in the building here, but I read the Ubiquity fix and we just need to DTRT WRT netplan files. Might need a little tweaking due to, well, using Netplan, but overall I think I can fix that today
[15:19] <tsimonq2> I have some local code that, er, *seems* sane enough. I'm going to Frankenstein an install into a qcow2 file (or similar) from a live ISO on my real hardware to test this and see what's up.
[16:22] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: lubuntu-default-settings (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10.3 => 23.10.4] (lubuntu)
[16:22] <tsimonq2> ^ That upload sets the wallpaper to per-monitor by default. I ran into it when doing my local testing.
[16:27] <tsimonq2> I couldn't get the live ISO to do what I wanted it to, so I have a VM with some static IP settings that have essentially the same effect.
[16:42] <tsimonq2> calamares upload incoming with fixes.
[16:43] <tsimonq2> @teward001 ^ yes, fixes, actual fixes :P
[16:43] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares (mantic-proposed/universe) [3.3.0-alpha2-0ubuntu5 => 3.3.0-alpha2-0ubuntu6] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
 Er... no it doesn't
 
 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/automirror.conf#L10 (re @kc2bez: guiverc: That ^ uses https://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup now. If for some reason that was down you would get New York. That is the fallback default location.)
 Might be able to squeeze in a fix for that, too.
[16:48] <kc2bez> Automirror needs a refactor to parse xml vs json
[16:48] <tsimonq2> On it.
[16:48] <kc2bez> okie dokie
[16:50] <kc2bez> it probably should remove the "partners" section too, that is defunct as well. It has always been commented out so I sort of forgot about it.
[16:50] <kc2bez> https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/main.py#L79
[16:50] <tsimonq2> 10-4
[16:51] <kc2bez> Thanks tsimonq2 !
[17:20] <tsimonq2> Of course. Tested and uploaded to the archive.
[17:21] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (mantic-proposed/universe) [1:23.10.3 => 1:23.10.4] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[17:22] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: ^^
 (in -release) 17:21 < tsimonq2> To be clear, at this point Lubuntu has three uploads I'd really like in (or at the very least reviewed) before final. Those are lubuntu-default-settings, calamares, and calamares-settings-ubuntu.
 TBF the welcome module does use the Ubuntu geoip which is where the timezone in the installer comes from. (re @tsimonq2: Er... no it doesn't
 
 https://github.com/lubuntu-team/calamares-settings-ubuntu/blob/ubuntu/mantic/common/modules/automirror/automirror.conf#L10)
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> 🔧 ➡️ ⚙️
 Eventually (probably next cycle) we'll remove that duplication. (re @kc2bez: TBF the welcome module does use the Ubuntu geoip which is where the timezone in the installer comes from.)
 Sounds good
[17:24] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: 😎😎😎😎😎😎
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> 😂
[17:24] <tsimonq2> 🥷🥷🥷🥷
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> I think you misunderstood my emojis. That was a wrench into cogs.
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Ahhhh, we both know there's no such thing 'round these here parts.
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> "Riiiiiight." -Kronk
[17:26] <tsimonq2> I think we're set for this cycle, in terms of bugs. If anyone finds something, ping me please :)
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> 😎
[17:27]  * tsimonq2 watches in horror as Eickmeyer breaks the entire archive on release day
[17:27] <tsimonq2> XD
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> That depends on if the kernel behaves with USB Midi devices (spoiler: it wasn't earlier).
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Bahaha, oooof.
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Also, at first sight of a new codename, ping me immediately and we'll get rolling ;)
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> A new version just hit release, so there will be testing when I get home.
[17:29]  * tsimonq2 throws broken s390x and riscv64 builds at Eickmeyer 
[17:40]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> shoves an s390x mainframe into tsimonq2's living room
[21:45] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-default-settings [source] (mantic-proposed) [23.10.4]
 *shoves an arraybolt3 into tsimonq2's living room*
[21:58] <Eickmeyer> Tested the kernel with the bug I was experienced before, passed with flying colors.
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> s/experienced/experiencing
 the location issue is only not-detected occasionally. (re @tsimonq2: Might be able to squeeze in a fix for that, too.)
 Simon's fixes got accepted. We should have something to test later.
[23:11] <guiverc> ack & thanks kc2bez 
 FWIW... here's the way I tested these things so you guys have a better chance at reproducing them
 Default settings needs a multi monitor setup. You can emulate one with QEMU, or use a real one. Before the upload, the wallpaper should stretch over both screens, after the upload the wallpaper should be specific per-screen.
 (I think we should also change the wallpaper to not stretch so weirdly in VMs but that's another topic)
[23:24] <kc2bez> I can test the multimonitor thing with my laptop
 With Calamares, it's not limited to WiFi passwords. Configure a static IP in Advanced Network Settings, verify a file shows up in /etc/netplan/90-NM*. Cala is simply making sure that file ends up on the installed system.
 Thanks Dan!
 With Cala settings, I used sudo iftop to monitor network usage closely during the install. Verify that it only hits Canonical servers and sets up the right sources.list on reboot
[23:26] <kc2bez> Thanks to you as well!
[23:26] <guiverc> fyi: i use many multi-desktops in live testing; and dc7700 is used for install testing & is multi-monitor (on occasion I install test on other boxes; d780 also two monitors)   The mantic wallpaper works for me in my testing (in fact I love it especially on one multi-monitor system though it has different size monitors but colors just work so well there)
 No worries :)
 guiverc: It may work but does it scale weird by default? :)
 I'm thinking those three packages were accepted right around a Britney run. Default settings got picked up, the rest are waiting on the next run (or even one following that for autopkgtests)
[23:30] <kc2bez> I'm watching
 🍿
[23:31] <guiverc> my hpdc7700, dell.780 use an old dell 4:3 monitor & 16:10 which have very different DPI as well as proportions, the mantic wallpaper just looked great on that (esp. dc7700, as d780 swaps left & right around by default due connection)
 Yeah my laptop does that too... how far did we get with diagnosing random monitor swaps between SDDM and the desktop?
 That might be an @arraybolt3 question ;) ^^
 Ah, got it. Thanks anyway man :)
 This next cycle I also want to solve one of my biggest pet peeves... QTerminal text autowrapping. If you open a small terminal window, run sudo apt update, then resize it to be bigger, you know what I'm talking about
 @arraybolt3 I often do the same ;)
 I am doing the same (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> (I was sitting here watching the conversation while doing other work))
 I asked the KDE President (who I'm sure @Eickmeyer also met) in person about that issue, and he said "meh, don't fork Konsole, use it as-is" well thanks :/ (re @tsimonq2: This next cycle I also want to solve one of my biggest pet peeves... QTerminal text autowrapping. If you open a small terminal window, run sudo apt update, then resize it to be bigger, you know what I'm talking about)
 I'm always in the shadows (re @tsimonq2: @arraybolt3 I often do the same ;))
 XD
 I'd argue you're even less in the shadows than we are ;)
 Let us just take a moment to recognize
 Lubuntu's español channel on Telegram has FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS!
 You and everyone else there are doing great work :)
 Thank you for helping manage one of our biggest groups
[23:38] <kc2bez> It is busy over there, I can confirm.
[23:38] <kc2bez> It is great to see
 Jajajaja, yes. It's a good amount of people. (re @tsimonq2: Lubuntu's español channel on Telegram has FOUR HUNDRED MEMBERS!)
 I'll bring that up to Phillip in person... we created these almost-LOCOs for Lubuntu users, but e.g. I've had requests from Ubuntu-IT to consolidate :)
 It's always a pleasure (re @tsimonq2: Thank you for helping manage one of our biggest groups)
 The Spanish group is pretty darn untouchable :)
 Yep. He helped me get the variables set for Ubuntu Studio so that the theming could be used in both Wayland and X11 without breakage. (re @tsimonq2: I asked the KDE President (who I'm sure @Eickmeyer also met) in person about that issue, and he said "meh, don't fork Konsole, use it as-is" well thanks :/)
 Took a bit of coding gymnastics further than what we did, but it started the process.
 I really enjoy the friends I have here, it is always a pleasure to be with you. (re @lubuntu_bot: (matrix) <arraybolt3> Roberalz: I really enjoyed getting to help in the Spanish IRC channel every so often back when I was there. Hopefully I'll get to do it again once I can come back :))
 We have a potentially large Spanish-speaking Edubuntu base that is likely to get larger with 24.04 and the RasPI images. I have someone who's going to be on the team that runs a computer lab in Mexico full of Pis that he wants running Edubuntu.
 There is even a dedicated edubuntu-es ML that I wouldn't mind him running eventually.
 Very nice :) I hope him and friends are there again (re @Eickmeyer: Took a bit of coding gymnastics further than what we did, but it started the process.)
 I agree completely :) (re @Roberalz: I really enjoy the friends I have here, it is always a pleasure to be with you.)
 Very very nice! (re @Eickmeyer: We have a potentially large Spanish-speaking Edubuntu base that is likely to get larger with 24.04 and the RasPI images. I have someone who's going to be on the team that runs a computer lab in Mexico full of Pis that he wants running Edubuntu.)
 The issue that I'd like to talk more in-detail about with someone like Phillipp is, a merge between Ubuntu-wide communities would be cool but it should be friendly and not a large, forced merger (re @Eickmeyer: There is even a dedicated edubuntu-es ML that I wouldn't mind him running eventually.)
 Well, after a 9-year hiatus for Edubuntu it is only potential, but the interest is there.
 Carpe diem :)
 No, you misunderstand. It's already a thing on l.u.c (re @tsimonq2: The issue that I'd like to talk more in-detail about with someone like Phillipp is, a merge between Ubuntu-wide communities would be cool but it should be friendly and not a large, forced merger)
 Oh?
 Always has been. 🌎🔫