 Specifically edubuntu-devel-es@.
 Perfect (re @Eickmeyer: We have a potentially large Spanish-speaking Edubuntu base that is likely to get larger with 24.04 and the RasPI images. I have someone who's going to be on the team that runs a computer lab in Mexico full of Pis that he wants running Edubuntu.)
[01:19] <kc2bez> All 3 of those packages are now in the release pocket.
 \o/
 Thanks for the update Dan :)
[01:58] <kc2bez> Sure thing.
[01:58] <kc2bez> Good news. The Netplan fix works for me, I retained my live settings in the install.
 Nice!!
[02:00] <kc2bez> I think the automirror stuff is working but I got US so that is sort of the default I would expect. Unless I mess around with a VPN to pop out somewhere else i am not sure how much of a test that is.
[02:00] <kc2bez> guiverc: is probably the best one to test that.
 sudo iftop
 That gives you a detailed view of every packet going in/out
 As long as it now points to Ubuntu, we're golden. I didn't close that bug in the changelog because I don't know if that fixes the problem
[02:01] <kc2bez> I watched the log file in the install, it looked like it was supposed to.
 That being said, if there still is a problem, now it's Canonical's fault, not some random geoip company :)
 Sweet.
 I mean, Canonical probably has an Australia office or at least a subsidiary. I'd like to think as a company they're invested to keeping the lights on there ;)
[02:03] <kc2bez> :D
 *invested in
[02:03] <kc2bez> I think it is good but it would be nice to see it pick out another country code just to be sure.
[02:05] <kc2bez> As far as the default settings thing, I think we need to wait for the rebuilt ISO. 
[02:05] <kc2bez> Upgrading the package doesn't change it for the user.
 Upgrading the package and removing the file from .config (or the dir entirely) then restarting SDDM does the trick
 Any existing user has surely already changed that setting to how they like it?
[02:08] <kc2bez> I would think so, yes.
[02:09] <kc2bez> Nothing seems broken so I think we are good.
[02:31] <tsimonq2> Sweet.
[02:31] <tsimonq2> We should have new ISOs in < 30 minutes.
[02:33] <kc2bez> Nice
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Hmm... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-installer/+bug/2036997/comments/7 suggests that 01-network-manager-all.yaml isn't needed because there's a 00-<ditto>.yaml provided by ubuntu-settings... except, we don't provide that file.
[02:50] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2036997 in netplan.io (Ubuntu) "Wifi password not copied to new install since netplan transition" [High, Confirmed]
[02:50] <tsimonq2> I'm doing some more testing to ensure that we have something like that.
[03:08] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] (20231009) has been added
[03:20] <tsimonq2> Okay cool, /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml does exist.
[03:20] <tsimonq2> And for Telegram users, we just got notified that the build is ready.
[03:25] <guiverc> yeah we've now appeared on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/449/builds :)
[03:25]  * guiverc busy on other stuff; I'll get to some QA when I can
[03:26] <tsimonq2> Thanks in advance!
[03:34] <kc2bez> Tested the new ISO. Screens work like we want now. Networking seems cool.
[03:35] <guiverc> :) thanks kc2bez & tsimonq2 
[03:36] <kc2bez> 👍
 I have had my life get really busy lately but have done a few last proofreads and last few screenshots updated on the manual
[03:59] <guiverc> thanks @lynorian
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0efddd24/file_9948.jpg
 "Look at me, I'm a UX professional" hahahaha
 That's cursed.
 Don't worry, I'm iterating on it...
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/10b4026e/file_9949.jpg
 Slightly better. Those radio buttons are the size of planets.
 /me figures out how to fix the QML for it... heh
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/6c932d65/file_9950.jpg
 Bingo!
 Now they're only dwarf planets.
 bahahahahaha
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/d502f5e6/file_9951.jpg
[05:14] <tsimonq2> That makes feature parity.
[05:14] <tsimonq2> I'm not stopping there though, I could very well have a Subiquity-inspired "install additional useful apps"...
[05:15] <tsimonq2> Either way, the backend isn't implemented yet XD
[05:16] <tsimonq2> hahahaha
[05:16] <tsimonq2> And the old way is... having nothing of the sort? heh
[05:17] <Eickmeyer> Those checkboxes are the size of Borg cubes.
[05:17] <tsimonq2> The difference is, this one will *actually* work ;)
[05:18] <tsimonq2> Point taken, to both you and Eickmeyer ;)
[05:18] <Eickmeyer> XD
[05:18]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> now goes and google's "borg cube"
[05:19] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, the button for "minimal installation" in Edubuntu for 23.04 didn't actually work.
[05:20]  * tsimonq2 waits for Eickmeyer to pull out the "bigger than ur mom" jokes ;)
[05:21] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: See, the difference between Ubiquity and the things I'm personally writing is, the latter will work or #SimonsFault :P
[05:22] <Eickmeyer> Well, if the minimal install option doesn't work in Edubuntu 23.10, it's #ErichsFault because it's part of the seed.
[05:23] <Eickmeyer> Still no minimal install in Ubuntu Studio 👀
[05:24] <Eickmeyer> (problem for future Erich)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/da21954f/file_9952.jpg
[05:28] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Meh, seeds are fun. This won't make it into 23.10 anyway, heh.
[05:28] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Are those radio buttons small enough now? XD
[05:29]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> watches the screen get sucked into the black hold next to Normal Installation
 Managed to sneak quick test - latest iso locations and another language - all good 😁
 Thanks!!! (re @Leokolb: Managed to sneak quick test - latest iso locations and another language - all good 😁)
 /me hands @arraybolt3 another one of whatever beer he's drinking
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/792b6d60/file_9953.jpg
 The "additional third-party packages" are part of a scrollable list
 Much like subiquity, the idea is, you check whatever items you want and it just installs them
 I'm taking suggestions on what those items should be :)
 Kind of in the spirit of this...
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/6f262398/file_9954.jpg
[06:04] <tsimonq2> I think starting items might be like, Element, virt-manager, Kdenlive...
[06:04] <tsimonq2> I'll let everyone chew on that for a bit. In the meantime, the backend needs all of this fancy new UI implemented.
[06:05] <tsimonq2> (It's funny, in the other project I could easily work on right now, I'm facing the opposite issue. :P)
[06:05] <tsimonq2> LMFAO
[06:06] <tsimonq2> TB says it's cool as long as I clearly warn the user
[06:08] <tsimonq2> Didn't even think about VSCodium, good one! Same page with the other ones.
[06:12] <tsimonq2> LXD *almost* seems appropriate?
[06:14] <tsimonq2> Somewhat related: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/pull/2209
[06:14] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 2209 in calamares/calamares "Quick vendor patch to add support for Netplan-based configs" [Open]
 Alright, roast my UX:
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/099d1bd2/file_9956.jpg
 I don't think you can shrink the *eye* of the radio button but you can simply shrink the button itself.
 Yeah, that little glitch seems transient
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/48f36f65/file_9957.jpg
 Hmm yeah, I wonder if that needs another vertical line (even if transparent)
 Doesn't seem to be a native spacer in QML, in fact, that's just a really long Rectangle :P
 Good call :)
 I have nested layouts here. When I'm done with this short break I'll see for sure :)
 I'd like votes on removing Quassel as a pre-installed default @kc2bez @teward001 @wxl @arraybolt3 etc.
[13:13] <kc2bez> -1
[13:13] <kc2bez> I think it gets used quite a bit for support
[13:13]  * guiverc thinks it's a tad late for mantic; full freeze already passed :)
 And this is why I hate echo chambers :)
 Good call - I was more thinking next cycle
[13:16] <guiverc> we could have a poll asking users, or post on discourse asking opinions (not direct poll); make users feel included in decision..  I'm not fussed as easily installed (if required)
 Personally I use konversation, but it would be nice to know the opinion of more people
 -1 for now, ask me again in a few monthd (re @tsimonq2: I'd like votes on removing Quassel as a pre-installed default @kc2bez @teward001 @wxl @arraybolt3 etc.)
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Not that I have any say, but that's also one of the biggest deficits of IRC and one of the reasons it's a spam vector.
[17:27]  * lubot [matrix] <arraybolt3> remembers the guy who got k-lined like 10 times in 30 minutes in #libera
[18:13] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Upgrade Lubuntu amd64 [Mantic Final] (20231009) has been added
[20:55] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Final] has been updated (20231009.1)
[22:34] <kc2bez> Looks like we have some new builds to test. 
[22:35] <kc2bez> Also, noticed an upstream merge - https://github.com/calamares/calamares/pull/2209
[22:35] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Pull 2209 in calamares/calamares "Quick vendor patch to add support for Netplan-based configs" [Merged]
[22:36] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez 
[22:36] <kc2bez> Sure thing 
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> FYI, they're respinning the world again. Somebody forgot to update base-files when enacting Final Freeze.
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> In other words, all images say "Development Branch" still.
[23:24] <kc2bez> Thanks Eickmeyer will standby to test things.
[23:53] <guiverc> thanks Eickmeyer .. i was wondering when that would be updated
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Yeah, apparently it was a checklist item that got missed.
[23:54]  * guiverc just updated my box; no base-files change detected here yet
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> It was only updated about 54 minutes ago. It still has to do the whole proposed-migration bit and then propogate to mirrors.
[23:59] <guiverc> fair enough ... I suspected that, thanks Erich