[05:45] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: I'll take a look
[05:46] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: displaycal looks like it's for calibrating your screen
[05:46] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: unless I'm finding the wrong thing
[14:28] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Yes, displaycal is for calibrating your screen, but if your screen isn't calibrated, what's the use in doing color correction on a video?
[14:29] <Eickmeyer> Inaccuracy begets inaccuracy.
[16:10] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: I don't care what colour the vectorscope displays as
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Oh, that's not what I'm referring to. When you have your display showing you accurate colors, that means that whatever color you are correcting in the video is accurate too. :)
[16:54] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: yes, but I don't care about that at this stage, I know how the colours are going to look on a calibrated screen
[16:54] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: 90% of the time I'm not even looking at the footage, I'm looking at the vectorscope and waveform monitor
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Oh, that's fair. Did you look at openshot?
[17:47] <torsti> hi i'm a new linux user and installed ubuntu studio. i also found a nice patchbay called catia but i don't see it in ubuntu studio. how can i install it?
[17:49] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: not yet, I am not long back in, haven't really eaten dinner yet and have just put the trainee camera grip to bed
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> torsti: That's not supported as it's not part of the Ubuntu repositories. 
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Sounds good.
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> torsti: We have Carla, which has an identical patchbay by the same developer.
[17:50] <torsti> Eickmeyer: ok thanks. do i install it with apt-get?
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> torsti: apt-get is for scripts only, I highly encourage apt. However, carla comes pre-installed on any Ubuntu Studio installation.
[17:51] <torsti> Eickmeyer: ah i see it now. thanks
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> torsti: yw
[17:58] <gordonjcp> I think Carla is a little newer, no?
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Yes, and better maintained. falktx has stated he wants to sunset cadence and all of the utilities that spur from it, including catia.
[18:01] <Eickmeyer> Partially why he's heavily contributing to pipewire while maintaining jack2.
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> At least, that's how I understand it.
[18:20] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: right, openshot is broken in 22.04, which is a bit of a bummer
[18:24] <gordonjcp> oho, there's a snap of it
[18:26] <gordonjcp> ... but, it can't load files, because the file picker is broken.
[18:41] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: I think I'll just wait until I'm back home to edit
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: It can load files if you check to see what the snap connections need, most likely "sudo snap connect openshot:removable-media" is all that's needed.
[18:42] <gordonjcp> o_O
[19:04] <gordonjcp> well, that lets me load clips, after a fashion
[19:04] <gordonjcp> but, it can't do anything with them
[19:04] <gordonjcp> you can just plonk them down on the timeline
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Sorry, writing release notes and what-not for 23.10, eyes all over the place.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Check to see what other connections are needed. "sudo snap connect openshot[tab]" where [tab] is literally your tab key.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> When in doubt, add them all, one by one.
[19:44] <gordonjcp> yeah, that's actually got it to load
[19:44] <gordonjcp> openshot is terrible
[19:45] <gordonjcp> as video editors go, it's generally handy to have a way of, you know, actually editing video
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> gordonjcp: Indeed. It used to be installed by default in Ubuntu Studio. There's a reason it isn't anymore.
[19:59] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: mmm
[20:00] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: I think the thing that immediately annoyed me about it is there's no way to preview and trim a clip, before dropping it into the timeline
[20:00] <gordonjcp> I mean, shit me, this is basic stuff
[20:00] <gordonjcp> https://gjcp.net/tiger.mp4 <- tiger at Vienna zoo, eating a chunk of goat
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Let's watch the language, !guidelines still apply.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Excellent video, btw.
[20:02] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: danke, heute war ganz pishing down mit regen
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> And yes, I too enjoy a preview window. I went (ancient) Adobe Premiere -> Apple Final Cut -> Kdenlive
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> English, please.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> 💀
[20:03] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: mostly I use resolve but my laptop is too potato to run it
[20:03] <gordonjcp> How Hard Can It Be...?
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> Well, I wouldn't recommend doing it on a Raspberry Pi either, but people try and complain when it doesn't work. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:05] <gordonjcp> you do very much need a good NVidia card
[20:05] <gordonjcp> this laptop has a Blender benchmark of ~4
[20:06] <gordonjcp> so
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> Yikes.
[20:06] <gordonjcp> Core i5-3320M, so pretty old
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> My main machine has an RTX 2040 and my big laptop has an RTX 2040 Mobile.
[20:06] <Eickmeyer> s/2040/2060
[20:06] <gordonjcp> yeah my main machine has a GTX1650 but I'm thinking in terms of getting a 3060
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> I recommend the upgrade from GTX1650. I had a 1650 prior.
[20:07] <gordonjcp> which should make the Cycles renderer happy
[20:07] <gordonjcp> previously I edited in Resolve on a Core i5-4570 with GT1030 which was surprisingly adequate, for 1080p and nothing too Fusion-heavy
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> I have a small laptop that has a Gen11 Intel with Iris XE, and it's no slouch. I'm taking it to Riga to use to do an audio workshop at Ubuntu Summit.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, 2D stuff isn't too demanding if you have dedicated graphics.
[20:12] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: yeah they're okay if you don't need either 3D or GPU acceleration
[20:12] <gordonjcp> Eickmeyer: a lot of what Resolve does isn't 3Dish GPU but more "lots of fast maths for compositing" GPU
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that makes sense. When you've layered stuff on top, such as compositing or adjusting, that'll kick it into high gear. I remember the days when I'd have to wait *forever* to render mere preview frames after I've made adjustments.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Also Resolve is GPU-optimized so it's really looking for those Cuda cores.
[20:22] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:23] <gordonjcp> it works with AMD, but people have weird intractable problems
[20:23] <gordonjcp> also I feel like Windows is kind of the "poor relation" in Resolve
[20:23] <gordonjcp> it's got H.264 but that's, uhm
[20:23] <gordonjcp> yeah you would want to just output to DNxHR and use ffmpeg
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> What's funny is BlackMagic Design actually sells (used to sell?) dedicated machines running Resolve, and it ran CentOS under-the-hood.
[20:24] <gordonjcp> anecdotally, on the same Core i7 and GT1650, it was unbelievably slow and crashy with the smae footage and everything
[20:24] <gordonjcp> yeah they recommend you use their respin of Rocky 8.6
[20:24] <Eickmeyer> Yep, that makes sense.
[20:24] <gordonjcp> in which everything Just Plain Works
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> (tm)
[20:25] <gordonjcp> even ffpmeg is built with BMD Desktop Video support, so my Intensity Pro works straight away
[20:25] <gordonjcp> it's hard to fault it
[20:25] <gordonjcp> so I will anyway, I don't like the pure Gnome desktop
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I can't do that, for obvious reasons. Though, the team I used to work for has had amazing luck with it on Kubuntu.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> yeah
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> Which, technically, shouldn't differ from Ubuntu Studio in practice.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> it works well out of the box, although I run it in a Docker container where it lives happily in Rocky 8.6 land
[20:26] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's nice.
[20:26] <gordonjcp> it is
[20:26] <gordonjcp> only thing is, you need a "bare metal" install to update devices
[20:26] <gordonjcp> no real hardship there
[20:27] <gordonjcp> even running it in a container mitigates against a weird Resolve bug regarding font paths
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> Huh. Interesting.
[20:35] <gordonjcp> yeah, I don't know what it is, "Text" effects seem to use a different set of rules to "Text+"
[20:35] <gordonjcp> which again is different to Text+ in the Fusion tab
[20:35] <gordonjcp> because it's all pretty wildly inconsistent
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> 🤔 
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> ❓
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, no idea what to say to that.
[20:42] <gordonjcp> yeah, it's probably a bug
[20:42] <gordonjcp> Fusion is really a separate app that's been grafted onto Resolve