[00:10] <cluelessperson> #devops
[01:36] <jailbreak> When is the new release?
[01:38] <Bashing-om> jailbreak: Expected sometime on the 12th.
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[03:46] <blahboybaz> If I back up my home directory to cloud storage, reinstall my operating system, then want to download that back onto the newly installed os are there any permission or other things I should be worried about?
[03:47] <matsaman> just your home dir should be pretty straightforward -- if you tar it all up, that will keep restoring perms more straightforward
[03:47] <rbox> yes
[03:47] <gry> You'll be able to set the permissions recursively with one command, so I'd be more concerned about the integrity and completeness of the backup.
[03:47] <matsaman> and keep in mind, 'cloud' just means remote server =P
[03:48] <matsaman> it could even be a single server
[03:52] <blahboybaz> I don't really know how to use other tools for backing things up like rsync or whatnot. I ran into a problem for which it seems my only way out is to reinstall. I have 2 tb google drive and am capable enough of compressing and uploading to it (assuming something 275 ish gb doesn't fail in the process). I need to know what all I should back up (whether there are other things (eg: backgrounds in some
[03:52] <blahboybaz> media folder or something, and anything else) and that I'm taking the right approach to backing it up so that when it comes time to put it back I will be able to do so and not encounter something unexpected. I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 now and my drive is encrypted.
[03:52] <matsaman> well, rsync is a wonderful tool, but
[03:52] <matsaman> the problem is you're probably going to copy to some random proprietary system
[03:52] <matsaman> so what you want is an archive, a tarball
[03:53] <matsaman> or, really if you had one additional local backup, that would be much smarter
[03:53] <blahboybaz> and to keep all my installed applications and their configuration and/or any plugins they may have installed
[03:53] <matsaman> then your "cloud" backup could be your backup backup
[03:53] <blahboybaz> I don't own a large enough hard drive
[03:53] <matsaman> blahboybaz: also -- and I would still make a backup first -- but technically you can reinstall the OS without wiping /home/
[03:54] <matsaman> blahboybaz: well they're pretty cheap, and you will need the storage eventually
[03:54] <blahboybaz> matsaman: yes I hear that is "technically" possible but I want to cover my assets just in case :)
[03:54] <matsaman> wise
[03:55] <blahboybaz> Yeah I just... I'm sorry I don't want to go into a bunch of details about the circumstances of my life right now but that just wouldn't be possible at this time (to buy a hd)
[03:57] <blahboybaz> Is there some basic list of what I should back up in order to meet the goal? Home dir I know. But what about generating some file that can later be used to install all the applications I have on my system? And what about any plugins and config for those applications? And are there any other things that I have that may not be in my home dir but should be backed up (such as backgrounds or anything else)?
[03:58] <blahboybaz> I think what I need is an itemized list of what I should back up including paths to the things other than my home dir. Then to know for sure that compressing (.tar.gz probably) and uploading to the cloud I will be able to restore it later without any issues.
[03:58] <matsaman> https://wiki.debian.org/AptCLI#List_installed_packages
[03:59] <blahboybaz> ahh wonderful
[03:59] <blahboybaz> I'm just not sure if I'm thinking of everything
[03:59] <matsaman> if tar exits successfully (and showing the contents of the tar passes a basic human sanity check), and your checksum matches before and after, you will be golden
[03:59] <blahboybaz> phone call I'll be back very soon
[03:59] <matsaman> well the OS is truly pretty replaceable
[03:59] <matsaman> sometimes special configs make it into /etc/
[03:59] <matsaman> and /var/
[04:00] <matsaman> and wherever your root's home is
[04:00] <matsaman> but most of your most prized data will be in /home/
[04:41] <blahboybaz> matsaman: Thanks. I will use that (information)
[04:42] <blahboybaz> If you're still around is a checksum something that you intentionally generate isn't it? You generate a sha256 sum or something? Save the result then when you want to compare it after you generate it again and compare?
[04:52] <matsaman> blahboybaz: yeah
[04:54] <blahboybaz> matsaman: thanks for helping me be more sure about what I'm doing
[04:54] <matsaman> np
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[05:18] <blahboybaz> If I expect to reinstall without effecting my existing files and directory (a backup will exist anyway - of course) then does that only apply if I am reinstalling the same release? Or can that happen with a newer release than what I currently have?
[05:24] <rfm> blahboybaz, just preserving the user files in /home shouldn't care about release. System customizations (mostly files in /etc) are at more risk.
[05:26] <blahboybaz> rfm: ok
[05:29] <blahboybaz> What about restoring the backed up files / directories (if that has to happen)? I'm putting together a few links to save off the compter on how to do each thing. The only thing I don't have is someting detailing how to restore from a .tar.gz (whether there is concerns to deal with I don't know about - like permission or anything else)
[05:29] <blahboybaz> I'd like some article or something to reference that tells me everything I need to know about restoring from tar.gz
[05:38] <blahboybaz> And, so far, the commands given here: https://wiki.debian.org/AptCLI#List_installed_packages produce output that seems to contain a mixuture of user installed apps and stuff that is part of the base system. Is there some way to generate a file containing just the user installed applications and formatted the way you would run it in an install command using apt?
[05:43] <blahboybaz> In fact with some of the commands the output does not contain known installed packages (like code, obsidian, and others)
[05:44] <Bashing-om> blahboybaz: see ' apt show debfoster '.
[05:45] <blahboybaz> Bashing-om: thanks
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[06:41] <blahboybaz> Is the p flag with tar all that is needed to preserve both ownership and permissions? Or am I misunderstanding how that works?
[06:53] <FKAShinobi> Anyone know what these WINE errors are about? https://paste.debian.net/1294578/
[06:54] <Yakov> how to copy file  from one dir to other dir with rename?
[06:56] <holzkopf> cp file1 targetdir/file2
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[07:00] <FKAShinobi> Yakov: There is an example of this in the man pages of rename.
[07:03] <FKAShinobi> Yakov: The first argument provides the filename substitution rule the second argument provides the filename matching rule.
[09:01] <pickanick> Is a 22.04.04 version expected anytime soon?
[09:09] <FKAShinobi> is ~/tmp part of the ubuntu fs? Or was this created by an application?
[09:10] <pick> FKAShinobi: see  output of mount
[09:12] <pick> ~/tmp is  probably created by you or an application
[09:14] <FKAShinobi> pick: Agreed, I don't see any reference for ~/tmp in the output of mount
[09:26] <pick> if you "df -h ~/tmp" you will probably see that it's just part of whatever  /home is on.
[09:27] <pick> (as opposed to being a separate filesystem, which /tmp is)
[09:38] <pickanick> 22.04.03 is the current version of LTS;  Is a 22.04.04 version expected anytime soon?
[09:42] <Habbie> pickanick, why do you ask?
[10:27] <ice9> so ubuntu 23.10 full disk encryption TPM support means that the passphrase will be stored in the TPM right? TPM is accessible/configurable via the UEFI firmware right? most of firmware only supports short alphanumeric passwords to unlock it and also the default manufacturer password can be used to unlock, so how can this be a trusted security method?
[10:28] <ice9> if an attacker can login to the firmware then he can boot the system automatically
[10:33] <JanC> TPM is unrelated to the old-school firmware password
[10:34] <ice9> JanC, i'm not saying that the LUKS encryption is the same as the UEFI password; but isn't TPM is accessible after you login the UEFI firmware ?
[10:38] <JanC> you can disable and maybe reset the TPM, but then you can't unlock the disk obviously...?
[10:45] <aog> I moved the SDD from one pc to another and grub doesn't appear anymore, is there a way to restore it? root fs is LUKS
[10:46] <gry> boot from live USB
[10:46] <gry> sudo grub-install /dev/sda # note this is a wild guess, do not attempt this without having made a backup first
[11:38] <PeGaSuS> or use boot-repair? it should figure out things
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[12:19] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[12:19] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[12:20] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[12:21] <zaggynl> wat
[12:22] <notliks> You know you want it
[12:35] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[12:35] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[12:35] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[12:37] <zaggynl> !ops
[12:37] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant
[12:38] <zaggynl> that seems a bit over the top, anyhow: someone's spamming stuff, ^
[12:38] <notliks> Star trek nerd bs
[12:38] <notliks> Boop booop woooop
[12:38] <notliks> Channel emergency
[12:38] <notliks> Channel emergency
[12:38] <zaggynl> hey, allow me my star trek nerd stuff, you your anime weep stuff
[12:40] <notliks> I hear pasting the spam log into #libera is the fastest wa
[12:40] <notliks> way to report
[12:43] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[12:43] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[12:43] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[12:50] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[12:50] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[12:50] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> !ops | notliks
[13:03] <ubottu> notliks: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - CarlFK, DJones, el, Flannel, genii, hggdh, ikonia, krytarik, mneptok, mwsb, nhandler, ogra, Pici, popey, sarnold, tomreyn, Unit193, wgrant
[13:07] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[13:07] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[13:07] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[13:07] <heller> hey guys. is it safe to install whole / as LVM?
[13:07] <notliks> Lotuspsychje  can you jack me off?
[13:08] <heller> some older documents  claim that /boot needs to be on its own partition?
[13:08] <notliks> I want to in your hand
[13:08] <notliks> I want to cum in your hand
[13:10] <leftyfb> heller: with a default install of ubuntu it's not necessary
[13:10] <pickanick> Habbie> pickanick, why do you ask?  A: because I'm about to download and install Ubuntu, anticipate hitting some hardware issues, and if there's a new edition dropping in a few days I'd rather postpone for that.
[13:11] <heller> leftyfb: so its completely safe to install whole root partition on LVM?
[13:11] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[13:11] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[13:11] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[13:11] <leftyfb> pickanick: I always suggest sticking with the LTS releases. Unless you're ok upgrading every 6-9 months
[13:11] <notliks> Leftyfb's ass is mine
[13:12] <notliks> Pickanick  I will cum in your eyes
[13:12] <leftyfb> heller: if it's just an LVM, sure. If it's an encrypted LVM, you'll probably want a separate /boot
[13:12] <heller> nah
[13:12] <notliks> Zer0bitz asl?
[13:12] <heller> just want LVM since its a virtual machine. so i can extend/shrink the drive if neede
[13:12] <heller> d
[13:12] <notliks> Wanna cyber ?
[13:13] <leftyfb> heller: you don't really need LVM for that these days
[13:13] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[13:13] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[13:13] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[13:13] <pickanick> leftyfb : yes I was asking whether a new LTS release 22.04.4 was soon at hand
[13:13] <notliks> Naruto Has Ninja Sex with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia!
[13:13] <notliks> Naruto Uzumaki visits Monterrey and meets Governor Samuel Garcia and starts a romantic escapade with him.
[13:13] <notliks> https://justpaste.it/Naruto_Makes_Love_Samuel_Garcia
[13:13] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | pickanick
[13:13] <ubottu> pickanick: Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[13:14] <leftyfb> pickanick: if you consider 6 months from now "soon at hand", then yes, it's out soon
[13:14] <heller> leftyfb: really?
[13:15] <leftyfb> heller: just stick with LVM, it'll be easier
[13:15] <heller> okies
[13:15] <heller> i'm quite new to LVM anyway
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[13:20] <pickanick> leftyb :  Thank you; that page does not seem to know about the third number V in YY.MM.V, but maybe the LTS's are updated with the same cadence of twice a year?
[13:22] <leftyfb> pickanick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:23] <pickanick> ahhh
[13:23] <leftyfb> pickanick: https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
[13:33] <pickanick> wow ubuntu has been around for a while, on the same release schedule.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <appxprt> How is this not patched by latest updates? https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-32629
[13:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Local privilege escalation vulnerability in Ubuntu Kernels overlayfs ovl_copy_up_meta_inode_data skip permission checks when calling ovl_do_setxattr on Ubuntu kernels <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-32629>
[13:41] <appxprt> this works on my system: https://github.com/OllaPapito/gameoverlay
[13:42] <appxprt> with latest upgrades, dist-upgrades, full-upgrades
[13:43] <appxprt> guess I'm switching to Alpine
[13:45] <commando> join ubuntu
[13:46] <ayjay_t> so i noticed that ubtune server has a bunch fo systemd timers related to upgrading and updating, but it's not intuitive by inspection
[13:46] <appxprt> You've already joined "commando"
[13:46] <ayjay_t> are they documented somewhere? or rather is the whole system document somewhere?
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[14:48] <BinarySavior> when I ssh into my vps (provider: contabo) I see this welcome message: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/x4wRDZ9dgP/
[14:49] <BinarySavior> doesn't bother me except when I modified git user's shell to use git-shell
[14:49] <BinarySavior> now when I use any git command where it needs to ssh I receive this error: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jjCt4jyZGc/
[14:50] <BinarySavior> how can I disable this welcome message when git-shell is being used (or disable it always whichever is easier)
[14:50] <BinarySavior> I tried chmod -x /etc/motd.d/* and I checked the banner option in /etc/sshd/sshd_config but there was no banner option provided in that config file
[14:51] <BinarySavior> sorry i mean chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/*
[14:55] <jailbreak> Xubuntu and the latest oibaf MESA drivers cause an issue with loading a display manager like lightdm. Can't F2 to another TTY and have to manually power off. 22-04.3
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[15:49] <rmac> Hi all! When registering Anbox Cloud's dashboard (anbox-cloud-appliance dashboard register <email>), I get the following error: "Error: failed to generate registration URL: ERROR controller appliance not found". Any fix suggestions?
[16:14] <Zed`> Here's a subjective question. Anyone care to share an opinion on a good console program for gmail? I used Alpine for years but not for some time now. Has the landscape changed?
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> might be more a question for #ubuntu-discuss Zed`
[16:18] <Zed`> Ah thanks
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> So I am having some weird issue where my Ubuntu cannot connect to the network through dhcp. I sort of fixed it using a statuc ip but apt-get still does not work.
[16:57] <ToAruShiroiNeko> It is a 18.04.x so ancient. I am trying to upgrade.
[16:58] <stormedcapital> are dns and default gateway correct?
[16:59] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: put it back to DHCP and then tell us your ip by running: ip a   # in a terminal
[16:59] <ToAruShiroiNeko> With DHCP it does not get an IP that was the issue but I can try again.
[17:00] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: and then the output of: resolvectl status|grep "DNS Servers"
[17:00] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: are there any other devices on your network set to DHCP?
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> resolvectl: command not found
[17:00] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: to be honest, I would suggest just installing 22.04 from scratch and restoring from backup
[17:00] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes, the DHCP itself works fine.
[17:01] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have a lot on this thing to do that I am afriad.
[17:01] <leftyfb> all the more reason to install from scratch
[17:02] <leftyfb> it sounds like you have years of unknown cruft that isn't going to translate well to an upgrade
[17:02] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: you really should only need to restore your /home and reinstall a list of packages which you can do with 1 command
[17:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am working two Ubuntu machines. One has a connection, other does not.
[17:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Or rather now has via a static IP assignment.
[17:03] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Which command do you suggest I use to see all the network info? I am using ifconfig.
[17:04] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: if you want DNS when you set a static ip, just edit /etc/resolv.conf
[17:04] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Ah, I have been doingso through a yaml file.
[17:05] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: so this is a server? Not desktop?
[17:05] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Yes, it is a server.
[17:06] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Sorry I wasn't clear.
[17:06] <leftyfb> then a fresh install and restore should be a lot easier
[17:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have a lot of configuration. I cannot do that.
[17:07] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I at least want to try to upgrade first.
[17:07] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: maybe a great time to pick up something like ansible to automate your rebuild
[17:55] <d4ve_> hi
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> welcome d4ve_
[18:08] <ToAruShiroiNeko> leftyfb perhaps but I do want to attempt to fix this thing before giving up without trying.
[18:09] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I have always been doing this the easy way. Delete/reinstall. I learn nothing.
[18:31] <Elliria> Hey there. I listed all my snaps after lowering the number of revisions to keep back to the default setting and have cleaned up the extra Firefox revisions, but am not sure what I can get rid of in the Gnome ones. Would there be any harm in removing gnome revision 126 from this list? https://bpa.st/PH2Q
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[19:03] <aog> is there a GUI to manage WWAN LTE? maybe something that interfaces w/ mmcli
[19:05] <mozambique> I don't kow
[19:05] <mozambique> sorry
[19:10] <JanC> aog: doesn't the default GUI support that?  (I don't have such hardware, so I can't test...)
[19:11] <aog> nope, nothing shows in settings only the WiFi/BT for networking, modem is not shown
[19:11] <JanC> it also uses NetworkManager, so...
[19:11] <JanC> hm
[19:11] <aog>  mmcli -L:   /org/freedesktop/ModemManager1/Modem/4 [Fibocom] L850 LTE Module","L850
[19:17] <JanC> aog: it seems like network-manager-gnome depends on libmm-glib0, so it should support 3G/4G/5G modems
[19:21] <aog> still, my modem doesn't show in the GUI only via mmcli :/
[19:21] <aog> lenovo x1 gen8
[19:22] <JanC> not even with nm-connection-editor ?
[19:23] <JanC> aka "Advanced Network Configuration"
[19:25] <aog> tried now, doesn't show but I can + and add it :)
[19:28] <aog> could be because I had to compile a kernel module to add the driver for the modem
[19:28] <aog> https://github.com/xmm7360/xmm7360-pci/tree/master
[19:28] <JanC> did you restart after doing that?
[19:29] <nshirelaptop> does LDAC support require support from the BT adapter or is it just like a driver for linux?
[19:29] <aog> JanC, yup ofc
[19:30] <aog> btw: Intel sucks, it's going the nvidia road
[19:38] <nshirelaptop> anyone using pipewire over pulseaudio?
[19:38] <nshirelaptop> I guess I'll need to switch for ldac support
[19:39] <JanC> nshirelaptop: I think it needs support from (the music playing software on) both devices on both sides of the BT link; also the BT link (and thus the adapter) has to be fast enough, of course
[19:39] <nshirelaptop> my earbuds definitely have ldac support
[19:40] <nshirelaptop> adapter... ?
[19:40] <nshirelaptop> does the adapter need explicit ldac support or just support for bluetooth x.x
[19:45] <JanC> AFAICT the adapter does not have to support it
[19:46] <JanC> but it might depend on some features that were only added in newer BT versions?
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[20:08] <krumelmonster> I want to install ubuntu for uefi (or better uefi *and* legacy boot) to a disk that already has a partition at the end which I want to be left untouched. Do I manually need to create an uefi sytem partition? What exactly do I need to set up in the graphical installers manual partitioning menu?
[20:11] <leftyfb> krumelmonster: why do you need an install to support EFI and MBR?
[20:11] <aog> reuse your EFI partition and add an entry for your new partition using `efibootmgr`
[20:13] <leftyfb> krumelmonster: an efi install isn't going to install grub to the MBR. And a legacy install isn't going to create and populate your efi partition. Why do you need both?
[20:17] <enyc> krumelmonster leftyfb :   hrrm you make me wonder,  I thought ubuntu 22.04 lts always did dual euefyi legacy boot  on normal installs
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[21:23] <Unhammer> Hi, botched an xubuntu upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04 (initially the computer hard-crashed in the middle of upgrade, tried manually getting it back which was a bit troublesome due to mismatched python/perl which messed up apt), anyhoo, it's booting now but stops at the spinny thing right after I enter my disk password. I can startx from recovery though. Anyone know what the issue might be / how i can debug this?
[21:24] <Unhammer> I can't find anything error-like in journalctl --since today in recovery, it just seems to … not go into lightdm
[21:26] <leftyfb> Unhammer: if you can boot into the OS, I would suggest running: sudo apt full-upgrade
[21:26] <leftyfb> Unhammer: if that doesn't help, I would suggest a reinstal
[21:28] <Unhammer> ooh i can remove "quiet splash" and get useful info …
[21:29] <Unhammer> "Failed to start Light Display Manager", well there we go. But nothing in journalctl about why, just result
[21:29] <Unhammer> 'exit-code'
[21:33] <Unhammer> omg :( I had 'slick-greeter' in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and the package wasn't (re)installed on upgrade
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[21:49] <skltonian> Garfield's Foursome with Nermal, Edna Sklton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza
[21:49] <skltonian> Garfield, Nermal, Edna Sklton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza have an orgy over lasagna!
[21:49] <skltonian> https://justpaste.it/Garfield-Foursome-Nermal-Skilton
[21:54] <skltonian> Garfield's Foursome with Nermal, Edna Sklton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza
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