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| leftyfb | tomreyn: I'm impressed :) | 18:19 |
| tomreyn | sometimes i need to shock you | 18:20 |
| tomreyn | just so you don't loose all hope | 18:20 |
| leftyfb | JanC: it was a known troll | 18:21 |
| JanC | even then :) | 18:21 |
| JanC | but I understand limited time issues etc. | 18:21 |
| leftyfb | JanC: lets not have that discussion in #ubuntu | 18:28 |
| leftyfb | JanC: that troll has the same spiel every time. Their argument isn't valid, it's just troll content. They have zero interest in ubuntu. Only trolling | 18:29 |
| JanC | they might have zero interest in Ubuntu, but unfortunately the concerns are real | 18:30 |
| JanC | I'd rather discuss them honestly | 18:32 |
| Eickmeyer | They're doing it in multiple channels. | 18:32 |
| JanC | even more reasons to to handle them with facts :) | 18:33 |
| leftyfb | JanC: trolls don't care about facts, they just want annoyance | 18:33 |
| leftyfb | JanC: what is your private concern with ubuntu? | 18:33 |
| JanC | I mostly care about what other people see... | 18:34 |
| JanC | tomreyn: it wouldn't have been an issue if Canonical hadn't made several errors about this in the past... | 18:44 |
| JanC | so I really think a *honest* discussion about this would be very useful for Ubuntu | 18:45 |
| JanC | you can ban people in #ubuntu if you don't want to discuss this, but not in #linux or #debian or whatever | 18:47 |
| tomreyn | so... i assume you don't work for Canonical. I don't. Some users or volunteers might post their opinions, and then all this would be gone a day later. What would this discussion serve? Not much, I guess. | 18:48 |
| leftyfb | JanC: again, that person wasn't banned for their content. They were banned because the content was just part of their trolling. | 18:48 |
| JanC | and most people are not aware of that, because you failed to provide more information | 18:50 |
| leftyfb | JanC: I don't think it's necessary for ops to provide context every time they ban someone. That would get old real quick and certainly hinder their volunteer job | 18:52 |
| Eickmeyer | JanC: Part of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is to always assume good intentions, and another part is that Ubuntu is a meritocracy and that leadership has to sometimes make tough decisions. tomreyn made a tough decision, but it was with good intentions, and we never assume ill intentions. | 18:54 |
| JanC | obviously if they have to provide an extensive explanation that would be a lot of work, but there is no explanation at all, which makes it look like a cover-up... | 18:54 |
| JanC | that is my concern... | 18:54 |
| Eickmeyer | JanC: What you're doing right now is against the very part of the Code of Conduct I just outlined. | 18:55 |
| leftyfb | Eickmeyer: I don't think expressing concerns is outside CoC. JanC has been around a long time and is not known for trolling | 18:57 |
| JanC | where did I say there wee no good intentions? you are the only one claiming that... | 18:57 |
| Eickmeyer | leftyfb: I'm not accusing of trolling, I'm accusing of not respecting the meritocracy or the decision made by a leader. | 18:58 |
| leftyfb | Eickmeyer: I don't think questioning equates to disrespect | 18:58 |
| Eickmeyer | leftyfb: And time isn't a thing in a meritocracy, nor is seniority. | 18:59 |
| JanC | there have been several real privacy issues in the past; a honest discussion of that seems like a good thing to refer to when banning trolls; not for the tolls (they don't care, I'm sure), but for those who are in the channel for other reasons | 19:01 |
| JanC | it should be a help for chanops really... | 19:02 |
| Eickmeyer | If someone wants to discuss a ban, they can always bring it to #ubuntu-ops, but discussing a ban here (or #ubuntu) is never appropriate. | 19:03 |
| JanC | I'm not discussing a ban... | 19:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Or the reason for the ban. | 19:04 |
| Eickmeyer | Or the optics *of* the ban. | 19:04 |
| JanC | I'm sort of discussing the way a ban happens ;) | 19:04 |
| JanC | and even then, not a specific ban | 19:05 |
| Eickmeyer | That's a discussion for #ubuntu-ops. Not here. | 19:05 |
| Eickmeyer | Even if it's not a specific ban. | 19:05 |
| JanC | this channel is about anything related to Ubuntu, including optics, I think... | 19:06 |
| Eickmeyer | It's for *quality* Ubuntu discussions, for which this is not. | 19:06 |
| Eickmeyer | And topics involving how Ubuntu Ops are operating are never appropriate here. | 19:07 |
| JanC | except when they hurt Ubuntu as a whole... | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | I don't think you want to go down this road. | 19:07 |
| Eickmeyer | You are on the line of a CoC violation. | 19:08 |
| JanC | sure, I have no official power any more in the Ubuntu community | 19:09 |
| JanC | so what I mean is that it would be better to have _good_ answers to refer people to on such questions, to avoid confusion etc. | 19:21 |
| JanC | and actually use those | 19:22 |
| JanC | then you can still ban trolls | 19:27 |
| Square | Hey. I got a HP desktop system a year ago. Overall decent. Iirc, I did a standard install of Ubuntu 22.04. Today I discovered I was running X11 for some odd reason. When I switched to Wayland I feel as if its not moving as snappy as before UI wise. Just have Intel Corporation RocketLake-S GT1 [UHD Graphics 750]. | 23:34 |
| Square | I have not installed any proprietary drivers for it. Should I? | 23:35 |
| Square | > vainfo gives | 23:36 |
| Square | vainfo: VA-API version: 1.14 (libva 2.12.0) | 23:36 |
| Square | vainfo: Driver version: Intel iHD driver for Intel(R) Gen Graphics - 22.3.1 () | 23:36 |
| jeremy31 | Square: support is on #ubuntu | 23:45 |
| Square | oh ok | 23:45 |
| gry | thank you :-) | 23:47 |
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