[17:00] <Aisyk_40> Hi !
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> uh.... hi?
[17:40] <bhechinger> Eickmeyer: Ok, I have one for you. Why would plugging a FW drive into my computer cause jack to stop?
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> bhechinger: Which release?
[17:41] <bhechinger> 22.045
[17:41] <bhechinger> 22.04
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> Kernel?
[17:41] <bhechinger> Linux deepthought 5.15.0-86-lowlatency #95-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 20 15:32:23 UTC 2023 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> Are you using FFADO or ALSA?
[17:42] <bhechinger> FFADO
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> There you go. Your Firewire device is your primary audio device for JACK, and if JACK can't access it, boom goes the dynamite.
[17:43] <bhechinger> But why can't it access it?
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Oh, you mean plugging it in?
[17:43] <bhechinger> I can't have two devices plugged in? (separate physical ports)
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> You might have to start JACK *after* plugging it in.
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> JACK doesn't support hotplugging in that config.
[17:44] <bhechinger> Ah
[17:44] <bhechinger> Hmm, seems to be hung adding bridges
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> I'm not 100% certain PulseAudio bridges are supported on FFADO, that's an OvenWerks question.
[17:45] <bhechinger> It's always worked
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Still an OvenWerks question as to why it'd be hanging, I don't have FireWire devices.
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> Also, he may have designed it for only one FW device.
[17:46] <bhechinger> For now I'll just unplug it. :-D
[17:46] <Eickmeyer> There you go. :)
[17:47] <bhechinger> Not super important. Just trying to figure out if it can be useful for me (I would love to be able to boot off of it but something tells me that's not happening in this day and age)
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Latest PipeWire supports FireWire, for what it's worth.
[17:53] <bhechinger> but not FFADO. :(
[17:57] <bhechinger> I mean, I'm doing exactly 0 audio things these days so that's probably less of a big deal.
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> bhechinger: No, not true. I remember seeing a changelog entry for PipeWire that it supports FFADO.
[18:10] <bhechinger> Oh? Last I heard they weren't being responsive to the FFADO team's offers of help getting it integrated. I'll check that out, that's good news!
[18:10] <bhechinger> https://docs.pipewire.org/page_module_ffado_driver.html
[18:10] <bhechinger> WOO
[18:11] <bhechinger> ffado.devices: array of devices to open, default "hw:0"
[18:11] <bhechinger> supports multiple devices, that's actually awesome
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> Yep. The latest release (not in 23.10, sadly, but will be in the development branch as soon as nn opens) is the 1.0 RC.
[18:21] <bhechinger> That's excellent news. That means migrating to pipewire is way less painful for Ubuntu Studio
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> That's why the "not for professional audio" bit is being removed from the messaging for PipeWire.
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> It's already default in 23.04 and 23.10.
[18:26] <bhechinger> I do fear you're going to be losing me to NixOS though. Running that on the laptop was very nice. I liked it a lot.
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I've heard great things about that experience. I'm doing everything I can to make Ubuntu Studio's experience top-notch for creativity, though.
[18:41] <bhechinger> I'm thinking about maybe doing a NixOS Studio. Musnix mostly has the details (RT, pipewire, ffado) taken care of so mainly it's just the outward polish bits. Installed software, sane defaults and configs, etc.