[00:00] <samuel_> oi
[00:00] <samuel_> e ai
[00:00] <samuel_> galera do ubuntu
[00:00] <samuel_> tem uma sala de conversa aqui
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[00:01] <samuel_> e a lib papis seus lixo to sendo perseguido opr isso
[00:01] <ravage> !pt | samuel_
[00:01] <ubottu> samuel_: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.
[00:03] <samuel_> ok sorry
[01:13] <webchat27> Hello, I saw that Ubuntu 23.10 has been released, yet none of the download links work (tried both torrent and local mirror)
[01:13] <oerheks> webchat27, known issue; iso's are regenerated;
[01:14] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365
[01:14] <webchat27> Thanks, bummer
[01:15] <oerheks> just one language, stay tuned
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[02:25] <rabbitnightmare> hey the download links are broken
[02:26] <oerheks>  known issue; iso's are regenerated;
[02:26] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/announcement-ubuntu-desktop-23-10-release-image-is-being-updated-to-resolve-a-malicious-translation-incident/39365
[02:26] <oerheks> just one language, stay tuned
[02:26] <rabbitnightmare> all good it happens
[02:27] <rabbitnightmare> grabbing kubuntu for now, gunna make youtube videos singing its praises
[02:28] <oerheks> do it!
[02:28] <rabbitnightmare> oh dude hate speech? wow how sad
[02:28] <rabbitnightmare> good looking out
[02:34] <akik> wow "hate speech from a malicious contributor"
[02:34] <akik> but then it says they used some translation tool
[02:34] <oerheks>  "Weblate is libre software web-based continuous localization system, used by over 2500 libre projects and companies in more than 165 countries."
[02:34] <oerheks> so maybe more projects are affected.
[02:43] <webchat27> rabbitnightmare does kubuntu have 23.10 already? can't see it on their site
[02:44] <rabbitnightmare> the iso is finished but not posted to the main site
[02:44] <guiverc> webchat27, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/23.10/release/ (ISOs using ubuntu-desktop-installer for 23.10 are not available only)
[02:44] <guiverc> kubuntu uses ubiquity at 23.10 thus available
[02:44] <rabbitnightmare> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:46] <webchat27> thanks
[02:48] <webchat27> is "ubuntu-desktop-installer" some new installer that is used for ubuntu 23.10?
[02:49] <rabbitnightmare> yes
[02:53] <guiverc> ubuntu-desktop-installer was used for Ubuntu 23.04 Desktop too (ubiquity was the legacy ISO installer)...   it was available as the canary installer before then but wasn't on a download button so few saw it
[02:53] <guiverc> webchat27, ^
[02:54] <webchat27> gotcha
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[07:25] <n00b_> exit
[07:25] <n00b_> oops whats up guys
[07:25] <n00b_> clearr
[07:25] <n00b_> grrr...
[07:26] <LuckyMan> Yay 23.10 rules!
[07:27] <respawn> yeah for 9 months
[07:28] <LuckyMan> respawn, yeah but in 6 we upgrade to 24.04
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[07:30] <n00b_> do many people use irc anymore ?
[07:31] <SwedeMike> n00b_: hundreds of thousands at least. 35k on this IRC network
[08:49] <jailbreak> Hello! Getting a really weird bug. Some apps (one's I know about so far) are taking multiple seconds to open. Where as other apps open instantly. Thunar, Lutris, Firefox are the one's I know about. I try and open them and they take so long to start. Ubuntu server 22.04.3...
[08:49] <jailbreak> How can I debug this?
[08:52] <yossarianuk> i - the zoom client deb package is not able to be installed on 23.10
[08:53] <yossarianuk> the following packages have unmet dependencies. - zoom : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not installable  -  Depends: libegl1-mesa but it is not installable
[08:53] <yossarianuk> which i imagine will break zoom client for anyone upgrading
[09:02] <JanC> yossarianuk: sounds like zoom have to update their package then; assuming they support non-LTS versions?
[09:05] <yossarianuk> they usually do (they say its for 16.04 + i think)
[09:05] <yossarianuk> the snap works in the meantime ..
[09:06] <JanC> maybe they don't test on pre-release versions of Ubuntu...
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[09:16] <JanC> yossarianuk: seems like those packages were transitional dummy packages used for upgrading between Ubuntu releases; anything new should no longer depend on them
[09:17] <JanC> probably because the deb was made for 16.04 and never updated...
[09:20] <yossarianuk> JanC: it has been updated, had a similar issue when 22.10 came out - i imagine they will update package at somepoint
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[10:09] <jailbreak> Hmm happening on a fresh install of Ubuntu Server 22.04.3...
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: are you using GUI on a server?
[10:15] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: yes.
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: can you please mention what you installed exactly, and what your purpose is, so the volunteers can advice you best?
[10:18] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: I already said what the problem is. What I installed is here: https://paste.debian.net/1294915/
[10:18] <jailbreak> Multiple apps are taking too long to open. They take multiple seconds whereas other apps are instant.
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: no what i mean is, the GUI part of using ontop ubuntu server
[10:19] <jailbreak> What?
[10:22] <jailbreak> I'm using the latest MESA drivers and i3-wm lotuspsychje...
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats what i wanted to know
[10:23] <jailbreak> Still don't know what's causing it. So far I know about; pavucontrol, network manager, firefox and lutris. They *all* take multiple seconds to open.
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you know what could cause lags on i3^
[10:24] <jailbreak> It's not lag on i3. It's the apps.
[10:24] <jailbreak> Everything else is working fine.
[10:25] <djustice> htop and strace it.
[10:26] <jailbreak> And what it?
[10:27] <webchat63> Hello
[10:28] <webchat63> Is there any functional difference in using the "Download 23.10 (Legacy Desktop Installer)" option as the other one isn't available yet?
[10:30] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: same thing happes with XFCE4 too. *not* just i3...
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: can you dpaste your dmesg plz
[10:32] <jailbreak> djustice: opening htop then opening the apps, htop see's it instantly, it closes (can't see it) then multiple seconds later it opens.
[10:32] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: how? it's a very long file.
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[10:32] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[10:32] <jailbreak> Please don't.
[10:33] <jailbreak> How can I dmesg into a txt file?
[10:33] <Umeaboy> Hi! Who does one contact at the english speaking part of Ubuntu to start a open source convention in the north of Sweden?
[10:34] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: there's no dmesg. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/261503/how-to-dump-the-dmesg-aka-kernel-logs-to-a-single-txt-file-from-the-kernel-boot
[10:34] <jeremy31> jailbreak: use sudo on dmesg
[10:35] <jeremy31> sudo dmesg|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:35] <jailbreak> jeremy31: https://paste.debian.net/1294917/
[10:36] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: you too^
[10:42] <ice9> I set specific DNS servers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf but it's not effective when checking in https://dnsleaktest.com
[10:45] <jailbreak> I don't even know *how* to Google this issue... :-D
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: i see a few amdgpu lines in your dmesg, i wonder if thats the culprit
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: just curious, what gives sudo lshw -C video, in a paste plz?
[10:49] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: https://paste.debian.net/1294919/
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> looks like recognized driver there jailbreak
[10:50] <jailbreak> Yes...
[10:51] <ice9> skype auto start up on system boot however it's no in Tweaks startup apps, any idea?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> ice9: try this; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ShowHiddenStartupApplications
[10:53] <jailbreak> lotuspsychje: so what should I do... :-)
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> jailbreak: not sure, maybe other volunteers have ideas for you
[10:55] <ice9> lotuspsychje, skype has no entry in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[10:57] <ice9> it's install via snap btw if that makes difference
[10:57] <Guest15> Hello, we are having problem with ubuntu 20.04 server displaying Chinese characters as "#" with 3-4 digits. The characters are visible in some client apps, but not on the server itself
[10:58] <Guest15> the locale was set to zh.UTF-8 and we changed it en.UTF-8, but the issue seems to be unrelated
[10:59] <Guest15> Could anyone give any hints?
[11:08] <ice9> where the ntp servers domains are stored for systemd-timesyncd ?
[11:08] <rabbitnightmare> god how long does it take to change some text and reupload a new iso
[11:08] <rabbitnightmare> jesus christ
[11:09] <rabbitnightmare> it definitely shouldnt take 24 fucking hours
[11:09] <rabbitnightmare> fucks sake people exist on schedules
[11:10] <ComputerTech> someone's in a hurry :D
[11:17] <ravage> also the legacy iso works just fine :)
[11:21] <webchat63> i asked above, but no one seemed to notice
[11:21] <webchat63> "Is there any functional difference in using the "Download 23.10 (Legacy Desktop Installer)" option as the other one isn't available yet?"
[11:22] <guiverc> webchat63, when the installer is running; yes there is.. if you use the same options for both; the end result (an installed system) will be identical though.
[11:22] <ravage> you end up with Ubuntu 23.10
[11:23] <webchat63> I mean, is there some feature in the other installer that isn't present in the legacy one?
[11:23] <webchat63> Or is it just a different UI to it, basically
[11:23] <ravage> it may have less features even :) but it looks pretty
[11:24] <ravage> i would stay it is totally safe to use the legacy iso. you wont miss anything but some shiny UI elements
[11:24] <guiverc> yes; the ubuntu-desktop-installer can be updated prior to install, is built on different toolkit/libraries & caters with some hardware a little better, most of its capabilities are not used yet though.
[11:24] <ravage> i may not be the refefrence here. i still want my debian text installer back :D
[11:24] <guiverc> I agree with ravage though webchat63;  currently I'm more comfortable with ubiquity as I know its quirks... but that will change I bet.
[11:25] <webchat63> ok then, i wasn't sure what the actual difference is
[11:25] <guiverc> the installer is actually rather different; the end install however is not being key.
[11:25] <webchat63> i need 23.10 to test an app
[11:26] <ravage> go with legacy then
[11:26] <parlos> Good Day! anyway to 'dump' the current storage config, into something that can be used directly in the 'user-data' for doing automatic installs?
[11:26] <webchat63> this translation snafu had me explain on a daily meeting what actually happened
[11:27] <parlos> I've done the install, I have the 'default' storage config, but after that, changes have been made, that I'd like to have replicated if I have to do a reinstall.
[11:28] <guiverc> fyi webchat63, my current install (mantic) was installed with ubiquity... I trust it & thus used it.
[11:31] <webchat63> ok then, i guess i won't get to see the shiny new installer
[11:31] <webchat63> god damn that initial sound scared me
[11:31] <Guest15> does anyone know if our issue with filenames can be remedied in any wy?
[11:31] <ravage> you see it in 23.04 :)
[11:31] <Guest15> way*
[11:31] <webchat63> had the monitors on full
[11:32] <webchat63> i didn't get to install 23.04, ravage
[11:38] <webchat63> https://i.imgur.com/KcsTI0R.png
[11:39] <webchat63> is this how it should be or is something wrong on my end?
[11:40] <ravage> this is how the designer envisioned it
[11:40] <ravage> its not my favorite choice too
[11:41] <webchat63> those designer types
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor is preventing Polari from resolving DNS:
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor is preventing Polari from resolving DNS:
[11:49] <ice9> apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" class="file" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-13 profile="/usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-*" name="run/systemd/resolve/io.systemd.Resolve" pid=18929 comm="pool-telepathy-" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=1000 ouid=996
[12:08] <stenno> good day, regarding the https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-4911 . I am not really sure how to read this table. Does that mean the vuln is _fixed_ for libc6 2.35.0ubuntu3.4 for jammy ?
[12:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu- A buffer overflow was discovered in the GNU C Library's dynamic loader ld.so while processing the GLIBC_TUNABLES environment variable. This issue could allow a local attacker to use maliciously crafted GLIBC_TUNABLES environment variables when launching binaries with SUID permission to execute code with elevated privileges. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-4911>
[12:09] <stenno> a german IT site linked to this page with the claim that 'a patch has been released'
[12:10] <stenno> i assume the 'Released' actually means 'this version is now _secure_'
[12:12] <stenno> So if my installed version is 2.35.0ubuntu3.4 , i am _save_ from the exploit as there is also no link provided to any patch? please confirm
[12:12] <stenno> safe*
[12:17] <Habbie> yes, the version behind Released is the fixed one
[12:20] <stenno> thanks!
[12:34] <realivanjx> anyone else thats using gsconnect on 23.10? i cant get it working from the nightly build and it says "waiting for service"
[12:41] <jailbreak> I gave up. Problem was doing my head in. Thanks anyway lotuspsychje.
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[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <ComputerTech> Is it possible to set a specific app's scaling without changing the entire scaling of the OS? like maybe just make google chrome's scaling 125% but leave the rest at 100%?
[13:31] <ravage> No
[13:32] <JanC> I suppose in theory it's possible, but I don't think any DE implement that
[13:32] <ComputerTech> mmm ok
[13:33] <leftyfb> ComputerTech: in google chrome, type: CTRL +
[13:34] <ComputerTech> that just increases the page's zoom though, not the entire UI of the Browser :/
[13:34] <leftyfb> correct
[13:34] <leftyfb> that's about as close as you're going to get
[13:34] <ComputerTech> alright, worth a shot :)
[13:34] <JanC> Firefox has at least 2 sizes of icons you can choose, maybe Chrome has too?
[13:35] <ComputerTech> guess I'll need to get used to the 100% scaling instead of the 125% :P
[13:38] <JanC> also, you can change the UI font size, etc. with the Tweaks (gnome-tweaks) application
[13:38] <JanC> maybe that can help a bit too
[13:39] <ComputerTech> oh hm
[13:39] <ComputerTech> yeah, does that work with GTK apps too?
[13:39]  * ComputerTech tried
[13:39] <ComputerTech> tries*
[13:39] <JanC> it would work especially for anything Gtk I presume
[13:40] <JanC> it might or might not work for Qt or other toolkits...
[13:51] <JanC> ComputerTech: did it work for Chrome?
[13:59] <ice9> where the ntp servers domains are stored for systemd-timesyncd ?
[14:07] <leftyfb> ice9: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/use-timedatectl-and-timesyncd
[14:08] <ice9> leftyfb, NTP= in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf is empty
[14:08] <leftyfb> ice9: ok, so configure it to your liking
[14:09] <leftyfb> as for where it gets ntp.ubuntu.com, my guess is it's hardcoded in the package and can be overridden by configuring it as noted
[14:15] <ice9> I have netfilter-persistent but there is no /etc/iptables/rules.v4, where it should store the rules then?
[14:24] <gerard72>  5.4.0-42-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 10 00:24:02 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux, DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_RELEASE=20.04
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_CODENAME=focal
[14:24] <gerard72> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu-Server 20.04.3 LTS amd64
[14:24] <gerard72> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rock-core/qt4
[14:24] <gerard72> used to work until this week
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> !paste | gerard72
[14:25] <ubottu> gerard72: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[14:26] <gerard72> dpaste.com/ACVEHSXPN
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: https://launchpad.net/~rock-core/+archive/ubuntu/qt4 looks like still active
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: there was a launchpad down on 11 oct according to https://status.canonical.com/ but should be resolved now
[14:52] <Guest17> hi
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest17
[14:54] <Guest17> I think I will not be very welcomed when I am going to ask a thing
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> if its about ubuntu you can proceed Guest17
[14:58] <Guest17> do you have ubuntu for ppc64?
[15:02] <coconut> !ppc | Guest17
[15:02] <ubottu> Guest17: PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture until 6.10. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[15:02] <ravage> Guest17: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/jammy/release/
[15:02] <ravage> ppc64el is supported
[15:02] <coconut> oh
[15:03] <Guest17> well, I need ppc64 for an "OPAL" (POWER8) system
[15:03] <ravage> there is only a server image but i guess you could install desktop packages from there
[15:04] <ravage> it says power9 and power10
[15:04] <ravage> so i dont think there is an image for you
[15:04] <Guest17> unfortunately I need 64
[15:05] <Guest17> not el/le thing
[15:06] <gerard72> lotuspsychje still happening as of today. I can probably work around it by updating /etc/apt/sources.list.d manually and adding the key
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> gerard72: weird, maybe talk to the maintainer from the LP project?
[15:09] <gerard72> lotuspsychje thanks
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[15:35] <TheWebFox> Guest17, IBM Power?
[15:36] <Guest17> yes
[15:36] <Guest17> TheWebFox
[15:36] <TheWebFox> Guest17, https://ubuntu.com/download/server/power
[15:36] <Guest17> not el
[15:36] <TheWebFox> these work on IBM ppc64el
[15:36] <Guest17> I know
[15:37] <Guest17> should check if the is a sort of emulation for BE executables
[15:37] <TheWebFox> Guest17, which power do you exactly have?
[15:37] <TheWebFox> Power 8/9 or 7 or older?
[15:37] <Guest17> P8
[15:38] <TheWebFox> then install the ppc64el version I linked above
[15:38] <TheWebFox> it supports power 8
[15:39] <ravage> Starting with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, POWER9 and POWER10 processors are supported.
[15:39] <ravage> The support for POWER8 ends with Ubuntu 21.10, respectively Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, which is still supported for several years.
[15:39] <TheWebFox> wait no 20.04 LTS supports it
[15:39] <ravage> to quote the website
[15:40] <ravage> debian still has active ports of it
[15:40] <Guest17> thanks
[15:40] <Guest17> it would be cool to have ppc64 BE ubuntu
[15:41] <TheWebFox> Guest17, https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.6/release/
[15:41] <TheWebFox> ^ Here
[15:42] <TheWebFox> PowerPC64 Little-Endian server install image
[15:42] <TheWebFox> For POWER8 and POWER9 Little-Endian systems, especially the "LC" Linux-only servers.
[15:42] <ravage> he says he has a BE system
[15:43] <Guest17> Power8 can be BE and el too
[15:43] <Guest17> But "original" POWER is BE
[15:44] <Guest17> anyway, el is fine
[15:44] <Guest17> thanks
[15:44] <TheWebFox> Guest17, EL will install
[15:44] <TheWebFox> and Little Endian applications will work
[15:44] <TheWebFox> but applications compiled for BE (Big Endian) Power will not work
[15:45] <Guest17> I think there should be an "easy" fix for that
[15:45] <Guest17> but I am not sure
[15:45] <Guest17> TheWebFox does the server edition come with a DE?
[15:45] <TheWebFox> only if you want to
[15:45] <TheWebFox> it'll ask you
[15:45] <Guest17> ok
[15:45] <ravage> it does not come with any GUI preinstalled
[15:46] <TheWebFox> ravage, it asks during install if you want Ubuntu desktop and if you check it it installs it
[15:46] <TheWebFox> Guest17, but how did you get yours hands on a Power8 mainframe?
[15:47] <ravage> i never saw that option on a recent server iso. but i dont remember 20.04 that well
[15:47] <TheWebFox> it isn't exactly "consumer hardware"
[15:47] <ravage> the new installer does not i think
[15:47] <TheWebFox> ravage, 20.04 is supported until 2025, it's the only thing that will work with Power8
[15:47] <TheWebFox> since 22.04 it only supports Power9
[15:47] <ravage> yes we already established that
[15:48] <redon3_> i am having issue with joystick it is working and recognized but wont work in linux ubuntu studio any hint ?
[15:48] <TheWebFox> Guest17, if you were to install Debian you could install in Big Endian
[15:48] <TheWebFox> and you should install that if you need to run Big Endian apps on it
[15:49] <TheWebFox> if instead you can run Little Endian stuff, use ppc64le from Ubuntu 20.04, but do not upgrade to newer, it won't work with your processor
[15:49] <TheWebFox> 20.04.6 is the last that'll work
[15:50] <floch_forster> "normal" invocation of do-release-upgrade doesn't seem to work, do I have to use -p or even -d to upgrade now?
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> floch_forster: upgrades haven't been enabled yet without -d.
[15:51] <tomreyn> floch_forster: your question lacks relevant context: which ubuntu version do you want to upgrade from and to
[15:51] <Guest17> well Ubuntu is nicer. And I had no success with Debian. I already tried
[15:52] <floch_forster> Eickmeyer, thx
[15:52] <Guest17> thanks TheWebFox
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[15:54] <saiful> ?
[15:54] <tomreyn> saiful: did you mean to ask a question?
[16:22] <TheWebFox> Guest17, no problem, I find PowerPC interesting as an architecture, I've heard AIX runs on it ... I had no idea Linux still supports it
[16:22] <TheWebFox> but yeah, they even have MIPS
[16:22] <ice9> why would firefox open /etc/fstab file? could this be a security problem on my system? "apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/etc/fstab" pid=3712 comm="firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0"
[16:23] <davros1> Is powerpc still going, do IBM still brother?
[16:23] <davros1> Bother not brother lol
[16:23] <Allie> POWER is still a thing, aye
[16:24] <audio> can anyone help with my question? https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/1771wwi/is_there_such_thing_as_a_wireless_receiver_that/
[16:26] <mosfet> depends on a few things
[16:26] <mosfet> what caliber of transmitter is the signal originating from?
[16:26] <leftyfb> !ot | audio
[16:26] <ubottu> audio: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[16:26] <mosfet> >_<
[16:27] <mosfet> long range point to point or multipoint (thought this was #networking)
[16:31] <floch_forster> Eickmeyer, You know when they will be?
[16:36] <TheWebFox> davros1, nah, PowerPC is basically dead, IBM keeps it going only cause some big corps can't replace their mainframes
[16:36] <TheWebFox> the real danger is ARM, by each platform having special requirements, it's gonna be like in the 70s ... when you couldn't take a binary from one mainframe and run it on another
[16:37] <TheWebFox> soon, 10 ARM builds at least
[16:37] <TheWebFox> of Ubuntu, all released at once ... and having to be maintained
[16:38] <Eickmeyer> floch_forster: It can be anywhere from a day after release to a week after release, depending on circumstances. Right now there were some issues with the .iso image that it had to be recalled.
[16:39] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, why not just disable the Ukrainian translation and release it without Ukrainian
[16:40] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Easier to fix the Ukranian translation.
[16:41] <TheWebFox> right ... okay, but I mean, I installed the iso, one of my PC broke during install of do-release-upgrade and I had to get the iso from torrent
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: It was just a small subset of the installer.
[16:42] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I can't even find the SHA256sum of the affected iso, I frankly feel it was an overreaction, does it begin with 444?
[16:42] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: I couldn't tell you.
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[16:54] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I just need someone to confirm me the hash of the ubuntu-23.10-desktop-amd64.iso file is 444c8a7b993cb6f103d7df1144954064889cbf7491b2415518d5dd0875e3a96f
[16:55] <TheWebFox> I hope I didn't get malware :-(
[16:55] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04.3/SHA256SUMS
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: He wants 23.10. 🤦
[16:56] <leftyfb> https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10/SHA256SUMS
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Not going to happen. If it's not on https://releases.ubuntu.com/23.10/ and some random stranger gives it to you, that's not secure at all.
[16:56] <TheWebFox> the file I downloaded is the one you pulled
[16:57] <UnivrslSuprBox> TheWebFox: your assertions about ARM aren't entirely accurate. ARM has a stable ABI across processors, a binary built for the ABI should run on any processor. There are separate operating system distribution builds for each board because of different firmware requirements for each one. Different boards boot differently and have different ways of declaring the hardware contained in them. That's a problem solved by UEFI on x86
[16:58] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, i want to confirm with someone at Ubuntu that the hash of the recalled iso that they published on 12th of October ....
[16:58] <leftyfb> !ot | UnivrslSuprBox
[16:58] <ubottu> UnivrslSuprBox: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[16:58] <TheWebFox> and then quickly pulled out before I had time to check the iso
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Get the legacy .iso from here, it has the older installer and doesn't have the bad Ukranian translation: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/23.10/release/
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Don't be so quick to pull the !ot trigger.
[16:59] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, it's too late, I already installed the official, I downloaded the torrent earlier, when it was released, torrented  it later and by the time I went to check the SHA256, it was gone from SHA256SUM (Cannonical, you could have at least left the hash for the people that got it)
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: No.
[17:00] <TheWebFox> ok, fine
[17:00] <TheWebFox> I don't see what so hard about providing a hash of a recalled file, it's not like I can build the file from the hash, I can just be sure I didn't install malware, but fine.
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Drop it. What you're asking for isn't possible and you're just being combative at this point. I gave you a solution and now you're just being argumentative and combative which is against !guidelines.
[17:01] <TheWebFox> okay, I drop it.
[17:16] <realivanjx> is it just me or some fonts arent rendered correctly? https://files.catbox.moe/cf3930.png
[17:24] <eelstrebor> should i use apt or synaptic or snap to install apps?
[17:26] <TheWebFox> eelstrebor, meh, I hate snaps, use flatpak :-)
[17:26] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: I would use apt over synaptic. snap is good for apps that you want kept up with the latest version (browsers, email client, etc)
[17:26] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: flatpak is not officially supported on ubuntu
[17:31] <jeenah> I'm trying to build something with travis ci using ubuntu xenial. the package i'm having issues with is libcurl4-gnutls-dev_7.47.0-1ubuntu2.19_i386.deb
[17:31] <jeenah> i'm getting the message: Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:31] <jeenah>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libcurl4-gnutls-dev_7.47.0-1ubuntu2.19_i386.deb
[17:31] <ice9> "netfilter-persistent save"  doesn't save the current rules and the file /etc/iptables/rules.v4 are not created
[17:31] <leftyfb> !eol | jeenah
[17:31] <ubottu> jeenah: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[17:32] <jeenah> xenial is end of life?
[17:32] <jailbreak> Yes.
[17:32] <leftyfb> jeenah: Ubuntu 16.04 went End Of Life 2 years ago
[17:32] <eelstrebor> thanks, i'll try to remember
[17:32] <jeenah> that's the last version which supports i386 though, correct?
[17:32] <leftyfb> 18.04
[17:33] <leftyfb> which is also end of life
[17:33] <eelstrebor> is it normal for plex-htpc to go full screen when launched?
[17:34] <jeenah> it should still build though, right?
[17:34] <jeenah> is that package wrong?
[17:35] <leftyfb> jeenah: the snap-htpc snap package is maintained and supported by plex.tv
[17:35] <leftyfb> looks like it's just a client though, not the full media server
[17:36] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: ^
[17:36] <lubuntu> hello
[17:36] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: you probably want plexmediaserver
[17:36] <leftyfb> jeenah: ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 are no longer supported
[17:37] <eelstrebor> not sure if i want to do the server
[17:37] <lubuntu> im trying to install lubuntu but, i have a error installing grub
[17:37] <jeenah> what's the oldest LTS still supported?
[17:37] <TheWebFox> jeenah, 20.04
[17:37] <jeenah> thank you
[17:38] <TheWebFox> till 2025
[17:38] <jeenah> sorry for all the questions
[17:38] <TheWebFox> no problem
[17:54] <MuckRaker> I plan on installing "KVM" but use "Protonvpn" what should i know and or change before installation. - thsnks.
[17:56] <de-facto> how can i stop pulse audio or pipewire from changing the output device during playback?
[17:56] <de-facto> i dont want it to change anything without asking me, it just does it wrong, sabotaging output
[17:57] <de-facto> it wildly changed between output devices, many times per second
[17:57] <de-facto> i want to disable that ability completely
[17:57] <MuckRaker> de-facto:  as far as i can tell - each device likes its own familirarity
[17:58] <de-facto> linux audio is a complete disaster, i only want steady playback with one device at a constant volume
[17:58] <de-facto> the most minimal scenario for audio
[18:00] <MuckRaker> de-facto:  the format your individual music/video - depends upon its own format - pipewire and or pulse can only read the permissions that said device gives it.
[18:02] <MuckRaker> From my experience - you need to convert your music/video - to your personal format and create your own bank and point it to that.
[18:03] <de-facto> its changing the output device on its own, it has nothing to do with playback format of media
[18:03] <MuckRaker> of course
[18:04] <MuckRaker> create your own bank.
[18:05] <MuckRaker> ubuntu is great - you cand do that.
[18:05] <de-facto> linux audio never had a stable output device logic, they try to make it automatic, but that results in the audio server rapidly changing the output device during playback by itself, if it does that many times a second it results in stuttering because playback is scrambled between output devices
[18:05] <leftyfb> de-facto: are you saying if you play audio through any application, the audio keeps switching the output device?
[18:05] <de-facto> it happens in both pulseaudio and pipewire
[18:06] <de-facto> yes, for example youtube on firefox
[18:06] <leftyfb> sounds like a hardware/driver issue to me
[18:06] <de-facto> yes
[18:06] <de-facto> it switches between hdmi audio and realtek analog audio
[18:06] <leftyfb> de-facto: what release of ubuntu?
[18:06] <de-facto> latest lts
[18:07] <de-facto> but that is not the issue, it always was like this, with every version of ubunut
[18:07] <leftyfb> de-facto: (cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; lspci ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:07] <de-facto> i think its not ubuntu, its the sound server itself that is buggy
[18:08] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/b7zp
[18:09] <leftyfb> de-facto: have you tried disabling the onboard audio in your BIOS?
[18:09] <de-facto> no because that is my main audio
[18:09] <de-facto> i dont want that HDMI audio
[18:11] <MuckRaker> pardon me: do you have a hdmi monitor hooked up ?
[18:11] <de-facto> yes a TV is my monitor
[18:11] <leftyfb> de-facto: have you tried running pavucontrol and disabling the HDMI output device?
[18:11] <MuckRaker> use the non hdmi monitor as a escape when you point to it
[18:12] <de-facto> which non hdmi monitor?
[18:12] <de-facto> I only have this one
[18:12] <leftyfb> MuckRaker: that will not disable HDMI as an audio device
[18:12] <de-facto> yes leftyfb it resulted in the analog audio switching to digital output, so it broke it completely
[18:12] <de-facto> its completely buggy in every way
[18:12] <MuckRaker> It will only pick the graphics as the audio output - you are confusing it.
[18:13] <de-facto> disabling one output device re-configures another unrelated device and breaks it
[18:13] <de-facto> the horrir
[18:13] <leftyfb> de-facto: ok, hold on, can you screenshot how you disabled the HDMI output devices?
[18:13] <de-facto> with pavcontrol, clicking on the speaker
[18:14] <de-facto> then i restarted pipewire because it was completely broken
[18:14] <leftyfb> de-facto: clicking on the speaker only mutes the device
[18:14] <de-facto> i changed to pipewire and disabled the hdmi module, it did not solve it though
[18:15] <de-facto> if i could i would want to delete the kernel modules so they cant be loaded for hdmi audio
[18:15] <leftyfb> de-facto: open pavucontrol
[18:18] <de-facto> yes =
[18:18] <leftyfb> de-facto: go to the configuration tab
[18:18] <de-facto> ok disabled it there
[18:18] <leftyfb> de-facto: screenshot please
[18:20] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://i.imgur.com/sRKe4vX.png
[18:21] <leftyfb> de-facto: ok, now reboot, go back in and verify the setting is still the same and then check sound
[18:23] <MuckRaker> wont it stil try to point to garphics audio ?
[18:23] <MuckRaker> being the monitor is hdmi
[18:24] <MuckRaker> if its a laptop i bet it does
[18:27] <de-facto> leftyfb, yes it remembers that after reboot and audio still works... so far without stuttering, i will leave it like this and see if that appears again
[18:32] <MuckRaker> alsamixer
[18:33] <leftyfb> MuckRaker: the problem is already solved
[18:33] <MuckRaker> good job lefty - sorry to interupt
[18:34] <MuckRaker> lefty - cant we just restart alsa ? and not reboot ??
[18:35] <MuckRaker> I run many monitors as well - both formats - what i found was a simple log-out.
[18:36] <stefan_> msg NickServ IDENTIFY Stefan80 Beerschot1977@
[18:36] <MuckRaker> but then again , maybe i  just running goofey hw
[18:36] <MuckRaker> doh
[18:37] <MuckRaker> stefan_:  change your passwrd
[18:37] <stefan_> Ok
[18:38] <MuckRaker> today
[18:38] <MuckRaker> log out and back in and change it
[18:38] <p3lim> I've got 4 menuentries in grub, I've run `grub-reboot 0` and `grub-set-default 3`, after the 1st reboot it boots the first entry, but it doesn't change to the 4th afterwards, what gives? I've tried setting GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT to false and GRUB_DEFAULT to "saved", and verified that `grub-editenv list` shows "saved_entry=3"
[18:42] <LuckyMan> hi. How long will it take until Ubuntu update shows "there is a new version of Ubuntu do you want to update" ?
[18:44] <LuckyMan> how long does that usually takes after a new version is released?
[18:45] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: "ISO / installer availability for a new Ubuntu release does not necessarily, and not usually, coincide with the availability of an upgrade path tho this very release. For non-LTS releases such as 23.10, it usually takes "not too long" until upgrades become available, though."
[18:46] <LuckyMan> what is "not too long"? 3 days? a week? two weeks?
[18:46] <leftyfb> I don't think we have that answer
[18:47] <LuckyMan> :'-(
[18:47] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: mind you, the 23.10 desktop iso's have since been pulled as they need to fix a translation issue with them. So that will more than likely set them back even further
[18:48] <MuckRaker> Have a good day folks.
[18:48] <LuckyMan> what happens to those who already installed it?
[18:49] <leftyfb> LuckyMan: you wait until the translations are fixed and will get an update as usual
[18:49] <LuckyMan> ok
[19:02] <akira> hallo
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[19:31] <nikitosiusis> what happened with https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ? 404 for me
[19:36] <tomreyn> nikitosiusis: try #ubuntu-kernel (and bring much patience)
[19:41] <durt> I have a 4 HD raid5 but my mdadm.conf is empty, is the config somewhere else?
[19:42] <tomreyn> nikitosiusis: or post at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/kernel/108
[19:43] <tomreyn> durt: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf would be the right place, if it's an md raid.
[19:44] <tomreyn> there are also dmraid and lvmraid
[20:09] <durt> tomreyn: Ya, it's mounted as md0p1, I'm going to assume its dealt with automatically on boot. I need to re-install the OS as I've experimented with it too much and created a monster. A little mdadm magic should get it configured right I hope.
[20:09] <funhouse> trying to flush cache in ubuntu --> sudo systemd-resolve --flush-caches
[20:10] <funhouse> getting sudo: systemd-resolve: command not found
[20:10] <funhouse> ubuntu 22*
[20:11] <ravage> resolvectl flush-caches
[20:23] <funhouse> ravage, thank you
[20:33] <KXA> Good Day!  Does anyone know what happened to the Ubuntu Mainline Kernel PPA ( https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ) ...?  I am suddenly receiving an HTTP 404/Not Found error.
[20:38] <leftyfb> KXA: "try #ubuntu-kernel (and bring much patience)"
[20:40] <KXA> leftyfb:  Thank you, doing so.
[20:58] <ice9> `netfilter-persistent save` is not saving the rules, any idea?
[21:09] <DurdenSVS> hello world
[21:10] <grim210> hello
[21:10] <DurdenSVS> hi grim210
[21:11] <DurdenSVS> ircnet
[21:11] <DurdenSVS> (sorry)
[23:10] <rabbitnightmare> so is there no longer a way to install nvidia 395 drivers?!?
[23:10] <rabbitnightmare> like seriously????
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> why does sudo apt install nvidia-drivers no longer fucking work?
[23:11] <rabbitnightmare> can I please get some help
[23:12] <jeremy31> !language |rabbitnightmare
[23:12] <ubottu> rabbitnightmare: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> yeah that makes the issue go away
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[23:13] <oerheks> what does drivers list give? sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[23:13] <rabbitnightmare> why do you continue to release this distro in such a broken state
[23:14] <Habbie> rabbitnightmare, 'we' did not do this. this is not the complaints department.
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> 470
[23:14] <oerheks> i guess it is 390 or 470
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> does 470 support the gtx 680?
[23:14] <oerheks> use that one then?
[23:14] <rabbitnightmare> ok how
[23:14] <oerheks> ubuntu-drvers autoinstall
[23:15] <oerheks> it takes the best driver fro your card
[23:15] <rabbitnightmare> I have never had anything past 395 work with this card
[23:15] <rabbitnightmare> so fingers crossed
[23:16] <oerheks> alternative is the driver ppa, https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:16] <oerheks> but use that on your own risk
[23:16] <rabbitnightmare> right
[23:16] <rabbitnightmare> got it
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> gunna let this finish and if it doesnt work, then I am going back to LTS for now
[23:17] <rabbitnightmare> gunna switch all my PCs to amd gpus
[23:21] <rabbitnightmare> thank you oerheks that worked
[23:21] <rabbitnightmare> I appreciate your help
[23:21] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:22] <rabbitnightmare> sorry for my demeanor