[06:54] <dreamhawk> Hello! Im just curious! Whats the great thing about kubuntu over ubuntu? When there's a new release, theres tons of reviews on youtube about ubuntu. But i rarely see none about kubuntu. I really like KDE over Gnome. But there's not even release information about 23.10 on Kubuntus website. Is it dying or is just Ubuntu having such a larger userbase? Asking of curiosity :)
[06:55] <tuxana> hello, i think its maybe ubuntu is more popular
[06:55] <tuxana> kubuntu will be releasing 23 soon
[06:57] <dreamhawk> tuxana: oh... so the 23.10 i isntalled this morning is not the "final release"?
[06:59] <tuxana> ups sorry think it is
[06:59] <dreamhawk> had to install it using do-release-upgrade -d
[06:59] <dreamhawk> which surely is a "devel-release" but...
[07:00] <tuxana> ah ok so its not the lts edition
[07:00] <dreamhawk> ah no, lts is in april
[07:00] <dreamhawk> (i guess... :D )
[07:00] <tuxana> because i looked on the kubuntu webside and there is only 23.04 as a beta
[07:01] <tuxana> yep
[07:01] <dreamhawk> ah yeah, 22.04 is stable iirc.
[07:10] <guiverc> dreamhawk, Kubuntu 23.10 is stable & a released product. It's normal for `-d` to be be required shortly after release; I wrote an answer here that may explain why `-d` is required  (it's the same for main Ubuntu & all flavors)
[07:11] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1489169/cant-upgrade-from-ubuntu-23-04-to-23-10/1489215#1489215   (sorry I forgot link)
[07:12] <guiverc> fyi:  if we were talking about 24.04 just released (and upgrade was from 22.04.4); it would required `-d` until AFTER the release of 24.04.1, and even then for days (or week or two) after release of 24.04.1
[07:44] <lordievader> Indeed, "do-release-upgrade" never upgrades to a .0 release, always to a .1 release (unless the -d flag is given).
[07:49] <dreamhawk> guiverc: but what i miss is like, "the news" .. 23.10 released 3 days ago and still theres no info on kubuntu.org about it, whilst ubuntu.com flashes big about 23.10 :/
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[07:52] <dreamhawk> guiverc: good post about the command on SO! :)
[08:07] <guiverc> dreamhawk, I can't help with kubuntu.org details sorry; I have no details there  but please note 23.10's release is still officially occurring.. I've not posted any 23.10 release to fridge.ubuntu.com either (release is currently on 'hold' whilst ubuntu-desktop-installer ISOs are underdoing QA prior to release continuing)
[08:18] <dreamhawk> guiverc: i see... so why is it (ubuntu) posted as a "release" when its not really a release, it sound like its more of an RC? :S
[08:20] <guiverc> the release was happening; the Ubuntu Release team had told the flavors we could release (ie. release was official taking place; mirrors had sync'd etc) .. then in following hours problem with the malicious translation was detected which halted anything not yet completed...  all ubuntu-desktop-installer ISOs were deleted & those were back to RC state (which includes Ubuntu Budgie desktop).. the release process was stalled though officially still
[08:20] <guiverc> 'in progress'
[08:22] <guiverc> it will continue when the Ubuntu Desktop (main ISO) & Ubuntu Budgie ISOs are deemed by Project Managers to be suitable.. I included a link to the iso.qa tracker in my 'answer' on askubu
[08:22] <guiverc> kubuntu's ISO uses ubiquity (with qt5 skin) so isn't impacted
[08:24] <dreamhawk> guiverc: Oh okay! Yeah i read about the translation... Then i see... Thanks for clarifying! :)
[09:22] <user|2> hello
[09:22] <user|2> help
[11:23] <TomTom> Hi, has the kubuntu 23.10 installer also support for the TPM2 enabled full disk encryption support?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:26] <dreamhawk> Do anyone have a suggestion on a program thats functions with iPod (that runs stock os) ?
[14:27] <FeuerAurora> My ,config is not writeable
[14:27] <FeuerAurora> Several warnings show up in my screen
[14:27] <FeuerAurora> dolphin doesnt start as sudo and setting group permission doesnt work.
[14:27] <FeuerAurora> permission for owner and adv permissions show rwx for all files
[14:28] <FeuerAurora> But group permission shows r--
[14:29] <FeuerAurora> When I restart the PC, I know I have to reinstall the whole system to get it back to work
[14:42] <FeuerAurora> I cannot sent the problem report from the update error message.
[14:43] <FeuerAurora> Steam doesnt start btw. This will probably also affect firefox when I quit it.
[14:44] <FeuerAurora> I really need to fix this problem and need help with that . thx if you listen to this chat
[18:26] <DanielPflager> test
[18:31] <diogenes_Vx15> failed
[21:21] <rambutan> I was attending church at St Patricks in Maple Ridge, and the priest Fr. Matthew To said that the most important parts of the physical body is the brain and the heart.  These indeed are the most powerful tools that we all can easily agree.  But for whatever reason or purpose, we may need to find out.  For the brain, it is easy to deal with. They said that the average CEO reads 65 books a year.  So just invest time by reading many books then we
[21:21] <rambutan> makes most out of our brain.  So that responsibility is easily taken care of.  But the heart is very puzzling.  It seems more important than the brain even if it just pumps blood over the body, because without the heart, life will stop immediately.  But life will still go on even if brain is damaged or not functioning properly biologically.  So the core of the human body is the heart even it's function is less important than the brain. Why is
[21:21] <rambutan> this so maybe will find out later on for possible reason.
[21:21] <rambutan> I also realized later on that planets at the very center has a core also.  Isn't the heart and the core of the planets share the same feature, e.g., without the core, the planet won't exist in the first place as it is responsible for the gravity to accumulate the dust materials to form and grow.  Now we know that the life of stars occurs in stages: accretion or initial formation, then once it reached critical mass, ignition of the nuclear
[21:21] <rambutan> reactor so stars starts to shine, and finally, death when it runs out of fuel.  Isn't this bear a semblance to the stages of life of human being?  E.g., when stars explodes or dies, what is left is a dark dense core.  Isn't if human being dies, we just left behind skeletal bones that remains for thousands of years?
[21:21] <rambutan> Of the different stages of the life of the stars, the most important aren't the first and last phase, but the middle phase when stars starts to shine.  It is because of this stage that it gave light in the sea of darkness for us humans to see and admire.  So in our human life, it could be true that we are very selfish creatures, but I hope we can use our hearts and brains to shine light too for fellow human beings and the future generations