[13:05] <Lantizia> Fresh install of Ubuntu MATE 22.04.3... and I load up Firefox, download a file... and it ends up in ~/snap/firefox/common/Downloads  and *can't* be seen in... ~/Downloads
[13:05] <Lantizia> this a known bug?  
[14:13] <sixwheeledbeast> call it a feature
[14:14] <superkuh> Containerization strikes again.
[14:14] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't use firefox any more due to this junk, librewolf wtf.
[14:14] <superkuh> It's not a firefox issue. It's an an ubuntu issue.
[14:15] <superkuh> They chose to distribute a container based version of firefox instead of actually putting a real installation of firefox in.
[14:16] <superkuh> You can always download a real copy of firefox yourself and run it.
[14:57] <Lantizia> as a component of Ubuntu MATE 22.04 (even if you choose 'Minimal' install)... it's a UX bug :P
[14:57] <Lantizia> user can see a 'Downloads' folder as they browse their home directory... but nothing they downloaded is in it lol
[14:58] <Lantizia> surely that should be blocking?  i.e. don't release until resolved lol
[14:59] <sixwheeledbeast> irrelevant of the distribution issues firefox is bloated and not what i want OOTB, having a better fork with it's own proper deb repo is my solution.
[15:01] <Lantizia> even if the first thing someone does with firefox out-of-the-box is grab the .deb for chrome... they'll still be wondering where the heck it is :P
[15:01] <sixwheeledbeast> you could install without package manager or use ppa but why should you need to...
[15:01] <sixwheeledbeast> use the downloads menu from within firefox
[15:01] <Lantizia> oh yeah I know all about the ppa that is out there... just shocking to find a more recent iso of 22.04.--3-- having this issue still :P
[15:07] <superkuh> Yes. The Containerization of ubuntu has pretty much ruined it. I switched to Debian. I only have old installs of Ubuntu.
[15:08] <superkuh> If Canonical ever stops shooting themselves in the foot I'll try it again.
[15:08] <superkuh> My advice would be to try Debian with MATE desktop instead.
[15:09] <Lantizia> yeah but then you get firefox with flatpak... and whilst I like flatpak's more than I do snaps... it still screws up stuff like keepassxc-browser
[15:10] <Lantizia> i did try debian with mate for a little while - was going to give it a re-try with debian 12... but i do find it handy that the ubuntu installer now lets you join AD during the install (handy on my work pc)... even if it is buggy as crap
[15:11] <Lantizia> tbh i'm more likely to find a mozilla or ubuntu affiliated packaged copy of firefox as an apt repo (e.g. a ppa) in the ubuntu world (rather than some unknown 3rd party packaging it).... than I am to find a mozilla or debian affiliated packaged copy of firefox as an apt repo meant for debian
[15:23] <sixwheeledbeast> I won't be going back to firefox for the foreseeable. LW has all of the junk is striped out, so much more responsive, firefox have made just as questionable choices as canonical recently.
[15:23] <superkuh> sixwheeledbeast, you don't keep at least one firefox around for stupid bank websites, etc?
[15:24] <superkuh> I too use FF forks that don't suck, but I do keep a copy of FF around. Even on ubuntu where I install it manually.
[15:25] <sixwheeledbeast> nope, not required. infact firefox is worse for those.
[15:25] <sixwheeledbeast> from a UX POV
[16:20] <Lantizia> sixwheeledbeast: well I like the look of this librewolf ... didn't know about it until you talked about... any other firefox forks I should be aware of?
[16:21] <Lantizia> tbh i hate that pocket thing anyway - and I usually try my best to regress of firefox's supposed "improvements" in about:config furiously lol
[16:22] <sixwheeledbeast> exactly and LW has a menu for the most common ones.
[16:33] <Lantizia> just looked through all the firefox forks that wikipedia has listed... looking at 'Pale Moon', 'Waterfox' and 'GNU IceCat' as well
[16:34] <Lantizia> 'Pale Moon' and other stuff based on it might be handy for any legacy npapi stuff - but not really a contender for replacing modern firefox I'd say
[16:36] <Lantizia> I'd be tempted by watefox/icecat if the waterfox team and/or GNU actually made it available as an apt repo - but it seems sadly no
[16:36] <Lantizia> which makes librewolf the winner :P
[16:54] <superkuh> I use Pale Moon. I don't like multi-process browsers.
[16:54] <superkuh> At this point it's more Firefox than Firefox.