[14:01] <bdrung> Do we want to have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-open-gpu-kernel-modules in Ubuntu?
[14:09] <xnox> bdrung: probably never, as we already have all of them
[14:10] <xnox> bdrung: we compile -open variants already and ship them both as dkms & lrm signed, in restricted
[14:10] <xnox> bdrung: as it requires proprietary firmware blob and unusable without it.
[14:10] <bdrung> xnox, so remove the package and block the Debian sync?
[14:12] <ogra> wow, really ? i thought it was a straight nouveau replacement just made by nvidia 
[14:13] <ogra> (i.e. not requiring the prop. firmware)
[14:23] <xnox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-open-gpu-kernel-modules/+bug/2039688
[14:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Launchpad bug 2039688 in nvidia-open-gpu-kernel-modules (Ubuntu) "RM: unused in ubuntu / packaged separately" [Undecided, Triaged]
[14:23] <xnox> ogra: no, it is not.
[14:24] <bdrung> xnox, thanks
[14:24] <xnox> ogra: it is basically their existing proprietary driver; doesn't have the proprietary functions implemented in kernel code; and requires graphics cards that support the large firmware blob; and everything is done by said firmware blob
[14:25] <ogra> wow, evil 
[14:25] <xnox> and even then the open driver doesn't support all the functionality, even on latest gen cards via the open driver alone
[14:25] <xnox> because not everything is yet implemented in the firmware blob
[14:25] <xnox> ogra: apperantly propietary .ko is bad; and propeitary fw file is good for upstream kernel. And in ubuntu we think otherwise and ship both still in -restricted
[14:25] <ogra> yeah 
[14:26] <xnox> because moving .ko code to fw blob is more or less the same shit
[14:26] <ogra> right, and we prefer full functionality i guess
[14:43] <xnox> ogra: i mean we have like 13 different nvidia driver options in jammy; and like 9 in mantic covering desktop, server, open variants of thereof as are available on amd64 and arm64
[14:43] <xnox> so we prebuild and make available everything that there is
[14:43] <xnox> and yes, none of them support all cards, and all features
[14:43] <xnox> one has to pick and choose to compromise
[14:43] <xnox> it's that crap
[14:44] <ogra> yup ... owning an nvidia card myself i know the pain