[01:34] <TheWebFox> gsconnect wouldn't work after chrome caused a gnome crash, I had to dconf write /org/gnome/shell/disable-user-extensions false
[01:34] <TheWebFox> gnome-extension disable extension-name, enable extension-name didn't work
[01:35] <TheWebFox> or maybe it was gsconnect that crashed gnome
[01:55] <Eickmeyer> The gsconnect in the repos is incompatible with gnome in 23.10, TheWebFox. It didn't get updated upstream in time for release, so nothing could be done.
[01:56] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, but it works, I mean, I know it's technically not compatible, but I have a PC on which it never crashed once & I see my SMS
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> That's odd. It shouldn't even work at all.
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> Unless Jeremy did something that I didn't (I help maintain that one from time to time)
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> Ah, he did.
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> He cherry-picked patches.
[01:59] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I just installed it back on 23.04 and did gnome-extensions enable gsconnect@andyholmes.github.io
[01:59] <TheWebFox> and it works on both my PCs with 23.10, then it crashed on one (my laptop) and I had to run that dconf write to reenable it 
[01:59] <TheWebFox> but rebooted & works flawlessly
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: That means it upgraded fine.
[01:59] <TheWebFox> yeah, both upgraded fine, except my work PC which had to be reinstalled (my 3rd PC)
[02:00] <TheWebFox> which now is running a clean reinstall of 23.10.1 
[02:01] <TheWebFox> actually my work PC is property of company I work for, but they allow me to risk it, since I'm a Linux Certified System admin (LFCS)
[02:02] <TheWebFox> plus, it helps other colleagues for me to experience all issues before they do
[02:02] <Eickmeyer> Oh, excellent.
[02:06] <TheWebFox> I've used Arch for months, I've looked instability in the eye :'D it works fine most of the time, but when life is dearer, some library update or some system update, segmentation fault
[02:12] <TheWebFox> but maybe it was cause of my One liner in the Linux kernel, you see if you have a 04ca:3015 QCA 9377, it's thanks to my One Liner patch (which I wrote while I had an Acer Aspire E5-575G, that had an interesting issue, when you'd connect to bluetooth, wifi would lose connection and yield 0 Mbps)
[02:12] <TheWebFox> After careful investigation, it turned out to be a simple issue of wrong driver loading & firmware not loading on the card. QCA 9377 is a QCA ROME device, but 04ca:3015 was not listed in btusb blacklist, so I fixed the issue, listed it :-)
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> NICE!
[02:14] <TheWebFox> it was years ago .... https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/0a03f98b98c201191e3ba15a0e33f46d8660e1fd
[02:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu-discuss- Commit 0a03f98 in torvalds/linux "Bluetooth: Add a new 04ca:3015 QCA_ROME device"
[02:15] <TheWebFox> and I was glad to find the firmware for 04ca:3011 or 04ca:3016 work on 3015 
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> I had a similar situation about 9 years ago with the Linux kernel with a regression that caused my Acer Aspire E1 to fail to boot. Had to bisect the kernel to find the problem. The guys at Intel had to fix it.
[02:17] <TheWebFox> oh wow, that's nastier
[02:18] <TheWebFox> as for the pulseaudio crash it didn't happen on what I used afterwards Ubuntu with mainstream kernel from kernel.org (till my handy-work got into the linux-oem or linux-generic)
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:23] <Eickmeyer> Morning lotuspsychje!
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> heya Eickmeyer 
[02:24] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: The issue with my Acer, I was in direct contact with Linus Torvalds and Greg K-H themeselves.
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> for those who want, we got a #techrss linux rss news feed running
[16:39] <TheWebFox> Interesting bug in 23.10: When Chrome is playing music on bluetooth, and GNOME 45 is locked (with Super+L), it crashes GNOME
[16:40] <daftykins> surely a WebFox would run Firefox and support freedom!
[16:45] <TheWebFox> Oct 19 19:42:35 ioanlaptop google-chrome.desktop[52338]: [52429:52429:1019/194235.870117:ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptima>
[16:45] <TheWebFox> fucking geniuses, when did they plan to tell me that their browser uses hardware acceleration by vulkan
[16:46] <daftykins> best to be careful with the language in the Ubuntu namespace channels please
[16:47] <TheWebFox> daftykins, oh sorry\
[16:47] <TheWebFox> didn't know :-(
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Yeah, the language thing is spelled out in !guidelines
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> And if we're really explicit about it...
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> !language
[16:53] <TheWebFox> Eickmeyer, I am really really sorry, you won't hear a bad word out of me in ubuntu channels again
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: Oh, I believe you and that you're sincere, I just wanted to let you know where to find the rules. :)
[16:55] <TheWebFox> I was surprised to find the source of the crash, Chrome uses vulkan ... now I know why my fan whirrs while I watch youtube
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Acelleration go brrrr....
[16:57] <TheWebFox> it crashes when I lock cause the laptop enters standby and turns off the GPU 
[16:57] <TheWebFox> and it crashes all of GNOME 45 with it. Truly and utterly brilliant, using acceleration in the background
[16:58] <TheWebFox> and if it can't crash via Vulkan, it causes a GPU stall via OpenGL Message (OpenGL, Performance, GL_CLOSE_PATH_NV, High): GPU stall due to ReadPixels
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> FYI, you're not going to get much support for running Chrome since it's outside of the repos and not preinstalled. If you install something like Google Chrome and it does something like that, the blame is technically squarely on you since it's not guaranteed to work.
[17:02] <TheWebFox> yeah, I realize
[17:02] <TheWebFox> that's why tomorrow, Chrome is going bye-bye
[17:02] <TheWebFox> snap Firefox instead
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[17:02] <TheWebFox> I see why browsers need to be sandboxed, you can't do something like this and not tell the user 
[17:03] <TheWebFox> uggh, it's disgusting, using my computer resources in the background ... reducing my battery life and ruining my performance 
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> I was just working with one of the Firefox devs who was running nightly and, due to the new HW accellerated video coming, we found a regression in the amdgpu drivers in the kernel.
[17:04] <leftyfb> what are you referring to exactly?
[17:04] <leftyfb> "using my computer resources in the background"
[17:25] <TheWebFox> nope, snap firefox does not work with 1Password or ExpressVPN, I'm not gonna change my entire lifestyle, I'm gonna install it from a PPA unless there is a way to add an exception so it allows it to run from snap unsandboxed completely
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> TheWebFox: You know, I get hate from people for what I run: Microsoft Edge.
[17:30] <daftykins> interesting choice
[17:31] <leftyfb> why on earth ...
[17:31] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: why?
[17:31] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: sudo snap remove firefox && sudo snap install --devmode firefox   # this will disable confinemnt 
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: For the same reasons as popey, funnily enough. His blog post echoed why I do.
[17:34] <daftykins> drat, now we have to dig up a blog post to find out the answer!
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: Stand by..
[17:35] <leftyfb> https://popey.com/blog/2023/08/why-use-microsoft-edge-on-linux/
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> https://popey.com/blog/2023/08/why-use-microsoft-edge-on-linux/
[17:35] <daftykins> hehe 
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> heh
[17:35]  * daftykins shouts snap
[17:38] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: so in the end, for you, chrome and firefox seem "unstable"? That seems to be the only legitimate conclusion he came to
[17:38] <leftyfb> oh, besides FF not having the ability to easily manage multiple profiles the way he wants
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> The biggest reason for me is the web apps. FF can't do that.
[17:39] <leftyfb> chrome can
[17:39] <leftyfb> why edge over chrome?
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> I don't like Google. Microsoft contributes directly to the Linux kernel and is one of the largest contributors, if not the largest, which is a whole lot better than Google can say.
[17:41] <TheWebFox> leftyfb, I tried that, didn't work
[17:42] <leftyfb> not sure if it's still in play, but google has providing the paycheck to 2 fultime linux maintainers to focus on security
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> I mean, so is Microsoft.
[17:43] <TheWebFox> I'll fix it tomorrow, now even the mozillappa version of firefox doesn't work
[17:43] <TheWebFox> curse these proprietary stuff
[17:46] <leftyfb> TheWebFox: I just installed the 1password extension on firefox snap just fine
[17:47] <leftyfb> logged in and all my passwords are there and will auto-populate as needed
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> I suspect some snap connet firefox: magic needs to happen.
[17:49] <leftyfb> Eickmeyer: I don't think I've done any custom configs of firefox
[17:50] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: I meant TheWebFox, not you. He may have uninstalled it, therefore removing configs.
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> s/config/connections
[17:55] <leftyfb> sudo snap remove --purge firefox && sudo snap install firefox. Then I reinstalled the 1password extension without issue. No further configs necessary
[17:55] <leftyfb> 1password works with the firefox snap out of the box
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> Hmm.... 🤔 then I suspect TheWebFox has further issues.
[17:56] <leftyfb> yep