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bray90820So in ubuntu 23.10 all samba shares show twice in nautilus and whenever I try to conenct to one with my IP address it asks for my password trhen says failed to retreve share list from server01:27
plujonI have two Ubuntu 22.04 LTS machines: A and B.  A has libssl1.1; B does not.  Why not?01:54
geekguyyou need to install openssl01:55
plujonI'm wondering because Passenger depends on libcrypto.so.1.1.01:55
plujonB $ apt-get install openssl # "openssl is already the newest version"01:56
bray90820Anyone kow why my 23.10 can't connect to a 22.04 machine via samba it says failed to retreve list from server01:57
rboxapt policy openssl01:57
rboxon both machines01:57
plujonThey both report: Installed: 3.0.2-0ubuntu1.1001:58
plujon/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.3 # is on both machines01:59
plujon/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.1 # is only on machine A01:59
rboxthen what are you talking about 1.101:59
rboxdpkg -S  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.102:00
plujondpkg-query -S # libssl1.1:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.102:00
plujon 02:00
rboxapt policy libssl1.102:00
plujonInstalled: 1.1.1f-1ubuntu2.1602:00
rboxit says more than that...02:01
plujonhttp://ix.io/4Jsx02:01
rboxlooks like a .deb was manually installed02:01
rboxthat comes from 20.0402:02
leftyfblibcrypto.so.1.1 is not a file in ubuntu 22.04 packages02:02
plujonIs there any way to tell which .deb that came from?02:02
leftyfbconfirmed it is part of the libssl1.1 package available in ubuntu 20.04, not 22.0402:02
rboxthe deb from 20.04...02:02
leftyfbplujon: you either upgraded from 20.04 and it was kept on there (I'm not sure this would be the case) or you installed it manually (don't do that)02:03
plujonThanks; Yes, I think I upgraded from 20.04.02:06
plujonI think my "real" problem is that I used "focal" instead of "jammy" in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/passenger.list02:07
plujonThanks for the tips.02:07
mcchttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nDVjSbB9/DSC_0000_BURST20231019011711412_COVER.JPG02:11
mccI am often when I open up my computer when it's been asleep for a while seeing this strange white box with a green arrow at the bottom of the screen. What is this? It is a bug that it is appearing with no label text? I did not see this before upgrading to 23.10.02:12
mccWhen I unlocked this last time, I had a popup at the top of the top of the screen saying i needed to upgrade my "dbx firmware database" or something. It brought up firmware-updater when I eventually successfully clicked on its button. Is this a garbled notification?02:17
pipoj02:37
mccAlso: often, when I click a notification, either nothing happens or it pops up a window behind my frontmost window instead of sending focus to the appropriate window. Like sometimes it just goes "firefox is ready" rather than opening the firefox window/tab. I am using Wayland. Is this surprising?02:40
Guest3111can someone please help me03:23
Guest3111I was trying to disable secure boot and now windows is bricked it says bitlicker recovery upon bootup03:24
kubuntuboidid u re-enable secure boot03:24
Guest3111no i want it off03:26
Guest3111the problem is i cant boot into windows now and i cant install linux03:26
Guest3111the keyboard doesnt work in linux03:26
kubuntuboiwhen it shows ubuntu on grub, hit e and after it says quiet splash try adding in i8042.dumbkbd=103:29
Guest3111will i have to do that every time03:29
kubuntuboi(i was in the other linux channel trying to help but to much spam)03:29
Guest3111yes thank you03:29
kubuntuboino, after it's installed you can edit /etc/default/grub and update-grub03:29
Guest3111I'll test that now03:29
kubuntuboihttps://i.stack.imgur.com/Z8XjX.png it'll look similiar to this03:30
Guest3111friend03:31
Guest3111where exactly do i add the code03:31
kubuntuboiafter quiet splash03:31
Guest3111they're are 3 ---03:32
kubuntuboiyes quiet splash --- right?03:32
Guest3111yes03:32
Guest3111spaces?03:32
Guest3111splash code --- ?03:32
kubuntuboiyeah so just do quiet splash i8042.dumbkbd=103:32
kubuntuboileave everything as is03:32
kubuntuboijust adding that03:33
Guest3111how do i save03:33
Guest3111and exit03:33
kubuntuboithen push ctrl + x to boot it03:33
Guest3111ok booting and testing03:33
Guest3111tyvm mate :)03:34
Guest3111testing03:34
Guest3111nope03:34
kubuntuboihmmmmmmmmm03:34
Guest3111splash i8042.dumbkbd=1 ---03:37
kubuntuboiyeah i have no clue then unfortunately, if you wanna try and wait for someone else to think of something here or just re-enable secureboot in the meantime so you can actually boot windows03:37
Guest3111i can't boot windows03:37
Guest3111or reset it03:37
kubuntuboire-enable secureboot03:37
Guest31118 did03:37
Guest3111still won't let03:37
Guest3111load03:37
Guest3111bitlocker recovery window03:37
Guest3111never setup bitlocker03:37
kubuntuboiinteresting..03:38
kubuntuboitry rebooting and doing the same thing but adding i8042.direct i8042.dumbkbd this time03:39
kubuntuboiif that doesn't work reboot once again and try this (a lot of people on forums are having issues with that laptop unfortunately) atkbd.reset=1 i8042.nomux=1 i8042.reset=1 i8042.nopnp=1 i8042.dumbkbd=103:41
Guest3111reach one of those individually?03:42
Guest3111or all at once..m?03:42
kubuntuboiall at once per message03:43
Guest3111wait what03:43
Guest3111how would that look...03:43
kubuntuboiquiet splash 8042.direct i8042.dumbkbd --03:44
kubuntuboifor first try, then if that doesnt work reboot and try with then quiet splash atkbd.reset=1 i8042.nomux=1 i8042.reset=1 i8042.nopnp=1 i8042.dumbkbd=1 --03:44
Guest3111quiet splash 8042.direct i8042.dumbkbd -- no =1?03:45
Guest3111quiet splash i8042.direct i8042.dumbkbd --03:46
Guest3111where is the =1 go03:46
kubuntuboitry exactly as typed lol03:50
Guest3111you forgot the i03:50
Guest3111in 804203:50
Guest3111was that intentional03:50
Guest3111hw init failed03:52
kubuntuboino apologies with i03:55
kubuntuboihmm try other one too03:55
Guest3111tried both nothing03:56
Guest3111hw start failed04:01
Guest3111I'm done04:06
Guest3111i can't fix it04:06
Guest3111it's fucked04:06
Guest3111i can't return it either04:06
Guest3111can't boot windows, Linux doesn't work04:06
Guest3111it's fucked04:06
Jindamin simple english, ubuntu releases lts and interim releases in april [ 04 ] and october [ 10 ]?04:11
xanguaNo, a new LTS is released every two years04:12
xanguaIt just happens to be in April04:12
xangua(I understood your question as suggesting LTS is released yearly)04:14
Jindaminterim releases contain latest package versions?04:14
Jindamlike mantic 23.1004:14
kubuntuboiGuest3111: do you have a regular keyboard you can plug into it?04:14
Guest3111np04:16
Guest3111no04:16
Guest3111i want to fix the internal one04:16
Guest3111so it looks like it's fucked04:17
Guest3111https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21766004:17
Guest3111no answers, no fix04:18
-ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217660 in Drivers "Laptop internal keyboard not working on ASUS Vivobook Go E1504GA" [Blocking, New]04:18
Guest3111only wasted money and broken dreams04:18
mybalzitchask asus to submit a patch?04:20
kubuntuboipretty much04:21
AmRHow to install qt5 full ?04:39
rboxyou can use apt to install pacakges04:39
AmRI don't know the pkg list names :(, for that I'm asking04:41
rboxyou can use apt to search packages as well04:43
Guest31111I'm back04:52
Guest31111https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21766004:52
Guest31111i can't fix it04:52
-ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217660 in Drivers "Laptop internal keyboard not working on ASUS Vivobook Go E1504GA" [Blocking, New]04:52
Guest31111hello05:07
ayohbithello05:09
Guest31111anyone got any ideas for a fix05:40
JeffH_For whatever reason, clang and it's associated tools are installed as clang-17.  Is there any way to rename this to 'clang'?06:10
tomreynJeffH_: i'm not sure, but give   sudo update-alternatives --config cland    a try.06:12
tomreyn* clang06:13
JeffH_no alternatives06:13
tomreynthen the answer is a 'no'. although you can probably set the CC environment variable06:14
JeffH_ yeah.. it's not that big of a deal.. just means I have to configure vscode to find clang-tidy-17 rather than it just finding it.  Just thought I'd ask as a way to learn if there was some cool trick.  There is a cool trick, its just not supported. :D06:15
tomreynyes, you could still do something like this https://gist.github.com/junkdog/70231d6953592cd6f27def59fe19e50d but that'd not be a good idea06:16
tomreynbecause clang points to a fixed version per ubuntu release, i think06:17
JeffH_Thanks for the info.  I'll just keep it as is.06:17
tomreynsudo update-alternatives --config cc    may work, though06:17
JeffH_nope.. only one alternative in link group06:18
tomreynokay, then, yes, update the other end06:20
JeffH_as I said, I'm not THAT worried about it.  Thanks for the help though.06:20
tomreynyou're welcome. next release may point to 17 ;-)   https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=clang06:21
JeffH_cool. I'm just messing around with Linux.. who knows if I'll still be running it at that point.06:22
tomreynsince these are in universe, if you're doing development where security patching matters, you may want to buy the Canonical offering which provides you with 'extra' security updates.06:23
JeffH_I'm just screwing around for something to do..  I don't need to run Linux.06:24
tomreynok, i got it. :)06:25
elordenadorGuys, any tip of securing a SSH server?06:25
elordenadorI'm using a 22.04 LTS VPS .06:25
SwedeMikeelordenador: fail2ban or equivalent is good.06:26
elordenadorfail2ban is the name of the package too?06:27
tomreyn!info fail2ban jammy06:28
ubottufail2ban (0.11.2-6, jammy): ban hosts that cause multiple authentication errors. In component universe, is optional. Built by fail2ban. Size 386 kB / 2,049 kB06:28
tomreynthat's a yes.06:28
elordenadorOk, I will be reading fail2ban documentation.06:29
tomreynyou should use public/private keys and only allow those for ssh authentication06:29
elordenadorthanks.06:29
elordenadoryes, I didn't take time to secure it at all, I only changed the SSH port to another.06:29
tomreyni.e. noooo passwords on ssh login (you can still use passwords for local logins)06:29
tomreynif you already changed the ssh port (are no longer listening on 22) then fail2ban will be much less useful06:30
elordenadorI have still logs of people trying to login into the machine so it didn't got a success06:30
elordenadorThe Issues is that 3 people login into the SSH06:30
elordenadorand the other two didn't make their keys yet.06:30
elordenadorso I cannot disable password auth yet.06:30
elordenadoruntil these two creates their keys and uploads them.06:31
tomreynunless you create key pairs for them, which isn't good practice, but better practice than continued support for password authentication (my personal opinion)06:33
tomreynthere are other options, such as 2FA, https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openssh06:33
tomreynif you have or can have a separate management network with VPN access to it, you may want to restrict SSH access to that06:35
tomreyn(i.e. make sshd only bind to that its management network ip address)06:36
tomreynelordenador: ^06:37
elordenadortomreyn, I don't have vpn access to it06:40
tomreyni see06:40
elordenadorAh, I see that it can be bought06:42
elordenadorI will tell my partner to buy that and I will use SSH only to that06:42
tomreynit's what you would do for a fleet of servers / VMs, i'm not sure it's necessarily worth it for a single VPS. by limiting sshd to private/public key authentication and moving sshd to a different port, and possibly also limiting access to it to certain fixed ip addresses or network ranges (via iptabes), you should be good enough06:45
elordenadorI want to take the maximum security for that06:46
elordenadorIf running ssh only in a vpn will be more secure06:46
tomreynit will then be as secure as the VPN configuration combined with the ssh configuration06:47
elordenadoralso, my IP changes every time I restart router, so, if I configure iptables to only allow my ip and my partners ones, I will get auto-banned by doing that06:47
tomreynthat's why i mentioned "network ranges" (i.e. ISP)06:48
tomreynnote that you've not made any progress if you'll harden ssh a lot but then expose an insecure service on another port, such as a web based server administration system or a web application which is subject to (known now or later) security vulnerabilities. or if you don't install updates to all services and the kernel and make those apply on time (before a successful exploit takes place).06:55
elordenadoryes, I know tom, first SSH, and next is apache, the last Time I taken a upgrade was yesterday.07:04
Kadiganelordenador: you can always sign up for a Dynamic DNS solution (a service that receives updates from you whenever your IP changes, and assigns a domain name to it dynamically), and then use reverse DNS to point to your IP; the security of this solution isn't all that great, but it's an option in a world when static IPv4 assignments from the ISP are unobtainium.07:10
tomreynelordenador: i was more hitting at ensuring updating is a regular process, by using "unattended-upgrades", ensuring updates are actually applied by using "needrestart", possibly live kernel patching (ubuntu pro), possibly automated reboots after security patching07:10
tomreynKadigan: this would only work with a firewall which would update rules based on where hostnames point to, and by the time those change.07:11
tomreynwhich firewalls usually don't do.07:11
KadiganTrue enough. I usually really use this with webserver security instead, where I can have it do a look-up at connection time. But it's possible to do with a script updating it, should one be determined to use it.07:12
KadiganThough I don't know if I'd use it for hard access security - it's more a convenience solution. Being able to only connect to SSH via VPN would probably be the most secure, short of having to walk up to the server physically.07:13
KadiganIt should be noted that no security solution will ever replace regularly updating software packages.07:14
KadiganIt's what I use, incidentally.07:17
Kadigan(the VPN thing)07:17
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TheWebFoxso, I have issues with my Internal Microphone08:18
TheWebFoxturns out they have been fixed in upstream by patch https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/cfff2a7794d23b03a3ddedd318bf1df1876c598f08:18
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit cfff2a7 in torvalds/linux "ASoC: amd: yc: Fix a non-functional mic on Lenovo 82TL"08:18
TheWebFox(yes, I have 82TL ... ) but I need my microphone for meetings08:18
TheWebFoxnevermind I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel#:~:text=The%20source%20code%20which%20generated,%2Dunsigned%2D%24(uname%20%2Dr)08:27
TheWebFoxI'll backport the patch & recompile the kernel ... Linux08:28
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webchat8Hello everyone, I just experienced data loss and am livid :(09:59
webchat8After 3 months of trying to work with the snap version of firefox and running into constant annoyances, I decided to switch to the native binary.10:00
tomreynoh, you snap removed and didn't know that would delete your profile, hmm10:00
webchat8So I made a backup of my .mozilla directory where all the profile data have been stored for 20 years10:00
webchat8tomreyn: firefox is VERY careful not to remove profile data when you mess with various binary versions10:01
webchat8but the dweebs at snap think it's smart to bundle the app and its data???10:01
tomreynTheWebFox: quoting from #ubuntu-kernel: "In addition to [the mainline kernel source at https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/ and builds at https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/ ] we also now have https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-kernel-next which are snapshots of upstream tagged release for each major series; with all ubuntu patches applied and integrated & known to pass build, boot, regression testing. Cause mainline10:02
tomreynbuilds do not have many features that are applied in the ubuntu kernels (more hardening, secureboot tightening, not-yet mainlined apparmor features, etc)"10:02
tomreynwebchat8: i believe the snaps are maintained by mozilla (and there is a bug report about it)10:02
webchat8OMG, this is mozilla's fault...10:03
webchat8Fuck, I should have serious backups in place10:03
webchat8Been saying that for 15 years10:03
tomreynplease mind the language10:04
webchat8Sorry, I'm just so disjaunted10:04
webchat8Working with the snap version of firefox was so frustrating10:04
tomreynyou can try to undelete files10:04
webchat8I think it's dead, in the panic, I reinstalled the snap, and it reimported my old profiles10:05
tomreynthere are also snap snapshots, i do not know whether those still exist after removing a package, or whether they contain user data to begin with10:05
webchat8Yes, I saw a message talking about snapshooting the data at uninstall10:05
webchat8I will look into the snap snapshots10:06
webchat8Thanks for giving me hope & a path to work with10:06
tomreyngood luck!10:06
tomreynand, yes, you want backups10:06
lotuspsychjesee also photorec to recover data10:06
webchat8There is hope:10:08
webchat8"Snapshots are generated manually with the snap save command and automatically when a snap is removed (unless --purge10:08
webchat8 is used with remove, in which case no snapshot is created). A snapshot10:08
webchat8can be used to backup the state of your snaps, revert snaps to a10:08
webchat8previous state and to restore a fresh snapd installation to a previously10:08
webchat8 saved state."10:08
tomreynplease do not paste multi-line output here. you're currently quieted (we wont see what you write). this will be automatically undone shortly.10:10
webchat8Right...10:10
webchat8I've lost my IRC manners. I've been using IRC since 199910:11
webchat8I see a /var/lib/snapd/snapshots/4_firefox_VER_ID.zip10:16
webchat8tomreyn: you saved my bacon. 'sudo snap restore 4' got the data back.10:23
webchat8Now I need to figure out how to move it to the right place.10:23
tomreynwebchat8: nice. you should probably "cp -pr" your profile to ~/.mozilla/firefox/ - however, you'll need to edit profile.txt and claim it is compatible to (version lower than or equal to) your other installation's version10:26
webchat8If I upgrade native FF to the same version, that should limit any incompatibility risks10:27
tomreynactually edit ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini topoint to your existing profile (or run firefox -P and import it there)10:28
webchat8Thanks for the helpful suggestions10:28
webchat8Sorry about my earlier outbursts10:28
oerheks:-)10:30
tomreynthey were understandable for lack of backups, and others have done a lot worse. note that only the snap variant is supported, and you're loosing the isolation snap provides.10:30
webchat8The isolation is causing me several pain points10:32
webchat8Mostly around saving, which consistently defaults to the wrong place10:32
webchat8And launching external apps like the bittorrent client10:33
tomreynif you are wondering how to backup, there are borgbackup, duplicity, restic, sbackup and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup10:33
webchat8Thanks! I will definitely look these up10:33
webchat8I've been saying I must backup for 15 years...10:34
tomreynthere are also GUI front-ends for most if not all of these10:34
tomreynthere are "snap connect", "--classic" and other methods for 'hole pinching' into the snap isolation, but your mileage may vary.10:36
webchat8OK, also having two upgrade channels is a PITA10:36
webchat8Using a PPA, I will get everything in a single apt update10:37
tomreyni'm not really trying to convince you otherwise, just making sure you know what the results of your choices are.10:37
webchat8I appreciate that. I was just listing my pain points :)10:39
webchat8Maybe in a year or two, mozilla will iron out the UX, and I'll give it another shot10:40
i-AreosI'm not happy with wayland specially desktoo recordin10:43
tomreyni-Areos: are you referring to gnome-shell/mutter on wayland and the ctrl-alt-shift-r GUI and application?10:46
tomreynwebchat8: took me a while to re-find this: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-as-a-snap-package/td-p/470410:47
i-Areostomreyn Kazam not working on wayland10:48
tomreynwebchat8: actually this https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/firefox-as-a-snap-package/m-p/11019/highlight/true#M4976 - there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1984173 - but i feel like there was yet another bug report on bugzilla.mozilla.org about the profile removal which i cannot seem to find anymore10:50
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1984173 in snap-store-desktop "Reinstalling Firefox snap deletes profile" [Undecided, Confirmed]10:50
webchat8Thanks a bunch for all these great references10:50
tomreynhttps://askubuntu.com/questions/1439307/is-it-possible-to-recover-snap-firefox-secret-profile-data-after-removing-the-sn#answers seems to eb what you did10:51
LuckyManhi Gs Connect isn't working on 23.1010:55
webchat8tomreyn: I restored everything from the snapshot and purged snapd from the system. Thank you so much, you saved my day.11:45
lotuspsychje!cookie | tomreyn11:49
ubottutomreyn: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!11:49
MikeTheSpikeHi.11:57
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TheWebFoxLinux ioanlaptop 6.5.0-9-generic #9 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 20 14:43:04 EEST 2023 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:19
TheWebFoxand lo and behold my microphone works12:20
TheWebFoxcan I get the upstream patch into 6.5.0-9-generic on Ubuntu?12:20
oerheksTheWebFox, that patch will automaticly get published in some kernel, which one i don' t know. your url does not tell that.12:24
TheWebFox6.6-rc112:27
TheWebFoxis the earliest kernel to include the patch12:27
TheWebFoxIs gonna be a long time till it gets into mantic's kernels12:27
TheWebFoxoerheks, the point is, on Lenovo 82TL, the internal microphone does not work at all, until you disable Alsa UCM in pipewire and install this kernel patch12:28
TheWebFoxin the past I've merged contributions in the Linux kernel, if I make a .patch from 6.5.0-9 source code with the modification and submit it to mailing list with explaination/ to launchpad bugs ?12:31
TheWebFoxis it possible to get it merged earlier directly into Ubuntu, so all Yoga 7 Slim X Pro owners can use their internal microphone, it's literally a 5 line patch, adding below 82V2 the 82TL to the DMI list of devices12:32
lotuspsychjeTheWebFox: could this be something for you? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-patch-pilots/3770512:46
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TheWebFoxlotuspsychje, that's for non-kernel packages13:12
TheWebFoxyou adopt a package and tend & care to it13:12
TheWebFoxnobody is gonna give me linux-generic13:12
TheWebFoxLOL13:12
BluesKajHi all13:34
TheWebFoxhi BluesKaj13:35
BluesKajhi TheWebFox13:36
TheWebFoxthis is support channel for ubuntu related discussion #ubuntu-discuss for off topic #ubuntu-offtopic13:36
lotuspsychjewe know that TheWebFox13:37
TheWebFoxlotuspsychje, I thought BluesKaj was new13:37
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj is oldskool :p13:38
BluesKajhehe13:40
Apachezanyone who remember whats the command to run so you dont have to disconnect/reconnect a usbdrive when you have freshly partitioned and reformated it?13:43
Habbiepartprobe?13:44
Apachezahh yes, thanks! :)13:44
ComputerTechhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p8Pywp8cCQ/14:42
ComputerTechNot quite sure why i can't use pip normally in the terminal anymore14:42
ComputerTechit was working fine before i upgraded to 23.04(i was using 22.04 previously)14:43
ComputerTechany ideas?14:43
ComputerTechand no, i don't want to use a virtual environment, i just want to be able to use pip directly in my terminal like before14:43
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mccWhat is the ubuntu-bug package name for the login screen?14:58
mccgdm3? is this it?15:05
tomreynmcc: if you're using ubuntu with the default (gnome-like) login screen, yes15:18
tomreyn(that's in "ubuntu", the main, gnome-based Ubuntu flavor, not "kubuntu, "xubuntu", "lubuntu" etc.)15:19
mccthanks15:24
ComputerTechnvm, i figured a workaround, just using pipx works fine15:27
ComputerTech:>15:27
ComputerTechfor anyone who also has that error15:27
mccYesterday I successfully executed ubuntu-bug. Today I tried running it and saw: Command 'ubuntu-bug' not found, but can be installed with: sudo apt install apport". What could have happened?15:38
leftyfbmcc: grep apport /var/log/dpkg.log15:38
mccin that log i see a "startup packages remove" followed by apport-gtk being removed. a few seconds later it installs systemd-coredump, which i do remember installing. maybe i ran an autormeove around the same time and forgot.15:40
mccthx\15:40
goldenhi15:42
mccWhen I run ubuntu-bug, or something else forces a web browser to open, I get a VERY short notification box at the top of the screen saying "firefox is ready". I would have expected firefox comes to the front. Is this a sign of something going wrong, or something I can configure, or an intentional design decision or what?15:48
iconoclast_heroI have two different application selectors at the bottom of my screen and I want to disable one of them.  I don't know what the "upper" one is called so I can figure out where it is and get rid of it: https://imgur.com/a/BAJJpOE15:58
oerheks gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock perhaps?16:00
oerheksor cairo?16:00
oerhekshttps://ubunlog.com/en/6-of-the-most-popular-docks-for-ubuntu-and-derivatives/16:00
mccAlso, what would y'all recommend as the most convenient way to flit files (like screenshots) between an Android phone and a laptop (probably on the same network)?16:01
xanguaKde connect mcc16:02
iconoclast_heroit was an extension, thank you.16:02
oerheksmcc nautilus16:02
iconoclast_heroi installed rhino with a shared home directory and it effed everything up16:02
iconoclast_heroi don't _really_ care about a rolling release but I do want to escape the clutches of snapd.16:03
mccoerheks like, plugging in with usb and mounting the drive you meN/16:03
mccmean?16:03
www2hi i wand to upgrade to 23.10 but i do-release-upgrade say there is no new release16:04
oerheksmcc yes, that should work16:04
oerhekswww2, correct, upgrade path is not released yet.16:04
oerheksif you cannot wait, use the -d option ( development)16:04
mccwww2 it might be a good idea to wait a few days to let them fix bugs anyway16:05
www2thanks when is the up upgrade path be relase?16:05
oerhekssoon, no date given.16:05
leftyfbiconoclast_hero: anything not running snapd by default will not be ubuntu and not supported here16:05
www2Oke soon(TM)16:05
iconoclast_heroyes, we've had this conversation before.  however I'm presently on OS: Ubuntu 23.04 x86_6416:06
xanguaYou want to escape snap and then installed a rolling distro supposed to be based on snap? 🤔16:08
oerheksrolling sounds awesome.16:09
iconoclast_herorhino is based on snap?16:12
oerhekswhat is rhino?16:13
iconoclast_hero"For example, the 2023.1 release comes with the latest Linux 6.4 kernel series by default. Ubuntu fans who don't like Snaps would also love to hear that Rhino Linux doesn't include Snap apps, nor Flatpak apps.Aug 8, 2023"16:13
oerheksno discussion about derivates plesee16:13
iconoclast_heroI'm answering a question asked of me.16:13
oerheksyou asked about rhino, we don' t know.16:14
iconoclast_herono, in fact, i did not.16:14
iconoclast_heroI asked a question about how my gnome desktop in Ubuntu 23.04 was being displayed and made a statement that it got messed up because i shared my home directory.16:15
oerheks<iconoclast_hero> rhino is based on snap? and then you answered yourself16:15
leftyfb[12:02:50] <iconoclast_hero> i installed rhino with a shared home directory and it effed everything up16:16
leftyfboh, he left16:17
TheWebFoxleftyfb, he asked that question just to advertise rhino16:18
TheWebFoxand then answered his own question LOL16:19
oerheksthere is a rhino package in universe, not sure it is maintained.16:19
TheWebFoxoerheks, he mean rhino linux, a distro based on ubuntu, I think16:22
TheWebFoxalthough rhino - the JavaScript interpreter is maintained by both Debian & some Ubuntu maintainers16:24
BerryKing18hi, I'm experiencing this problem. on this page i see a patch but idk what version of ubuntu its for, or how to apply it. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21766016:37
-ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 217660 in Drivers "Laptop internal keyboard not working on ASUS Vivobook Go E1504GA" [Blocking, New]16:37
oerheksBerryKing18, i see no patch, just a arch message it was fixed in 6.2, which was not?16:41
oerhekshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/203776816:43
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2037768 in linux (Ubuntu) "Laptop internal keyboard not working on ASUS Vivobook Go E1504GA" [Undecided, Confirmed]16:43
oerheksnor in our bugreport.. weird16:45
BerryKing18how do i apply the patch16:47
oerheksi see no patch?16:49
mccGot Nautlus to crash while accessing an SMB server. journalctl said something about failing to start "notifier crash service". What do I need to do to ensure the crash report / coredump makes it to the appropriate place? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SKJGXcxQ/image.png16:56
mccAlso appears Nautilus does not generate image-preview icons while looking at SMB? I assume that's intentional?16:58
Eickmeyermcc: Did it not bring up a crash window?16:58
mcc@eickmeyer no, it did not, and if you look at the journalctl log there it seems to be saying it *attempted* to bring up a crash window and somehow failed.16:59
Eickmeyermcc: Ok, let's see if we can get the crash report uploaded regardless.16:59
mccso i guess there are two "bugs" here, that nautilus crashed and that update-notifier-crash.service failed to launch16:59
Eickmeyermcc: Go into /var/crash and see if there's anything in there regarding nautilus.16:59
mcc@eickmeyer yes, there's a .crash from the time of the crash.17:00
Eickmeyermcc: type `apport {name of that file}`.17:00
mccI also have systemd-coredump turned on. Don't know if that's helpful (also don't know if a coredump would contain sensitive information, such as smb passwords, for a nautilus that crashes while doing smb)17:00
mcc@eickmeyer i have the apt "apport" package installed, and I have an "ubuntu-bug", but I do not have an apport command line tool.17:01
mcci mean, i have an ubuntu-bug command line tool.17:01
Eickmeyermcc: apport is a command line tool though....17:01
tomreynmcc: the ">" characters to the right of your screenshot of a terminal emulator running journalctl indicates that lines continue to the right (but we don't see that). you'd better post the relevant logs online directly, by using, for example:  journalctl --since="Oct 20 12:53:34" --until="Oct 20 12:53:42" |& nc termbin.com 999917:01
Eickmeyermcc: Sorry, apport-bug17:02
tomreynmcc: Please keep working with Eickmeyer on this, my note is for later.17:03
mcc@eickmeyer ok. now it's working. the file is 23 MB, can you assure me either that this .crash file is unlikely to include (for example as part of a memory dump) my SMB passwords, or that the .crash file is only readable by verified ubuntu developers17:03
mcci am nervous about this because  when i logged into smb i selected "save password until logout"17:03
Eickmeyermcc: It will upload what it needs from your logs. Apport is smart like that and is the background process for ubuntu-bug. Also, it will make your report private automatically if necessary.17:04
mccok thanks17:04
mcc@eickmeyer usually when i file a bug, for example with ubuntu-bug, it opens a web browser. this time, this did not happen. how do i find the bug i just filed and/or confirm it filed? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FzyU6uFv/image.png17:05
Eickmeyermcc: Looks like it was unable for whatever reason. Try it with ubuntu-bug this time.17:06
Eickmeyermcc: My clue was "unable to find cloud specific data"17:07
Eickmeyermcc: And I have one more trick up my sleeve beyond this.17:07
mcc@tomreyn https://termbin.com/qpm117:07
mcc@tomreyn "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk not found". my expected behavior is if ubuntu needs this for a basic function like gui crash reporting this would have been installed automatically.17:08
mccnote that, as i think i mentioned earlier, ubuntu-bug mysteriously disappeared from my system in the last ~24 hours and i had to manually re-apt install "apport". i didn't request apport-gtk or anything17:09
Eickmeyeryikes-face .jpg17:10
tomreynyou seem to be running a graphical desktop on this system. which graphical desktop are you using? gnome?17:10
mccalso here's my attempt to run ubuntu-bug on the crash file. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IYWKYxo4/image.png17:10
* Eickmeyer goes looking for recent nautilus bugs17:10
tomreyn"error 6 in libgtk-4.so.1.1200.2"17:11
mcc@tomreyn i am running a completely stock 23.10.1 installed from usb stick on (what i understood to be) a clean partition two days ago. I have made minimal changes, the biggest one being that i installed the dock-to-panel gnome extension and turned off ubuntu dock.17:11
tomreyni assume you needed to remove the "ubuntu-desktop" package for that?17:12
EickmeyerNo new nautilus bugs.17:12
mcctomreyn: no. i did not uninstall the ubuntu dock. i turned off ubuntu dock in the "extensions" app thingy.17:12
EickmeyerI'm assuming the crash got logged in the crash tracker, though.17:13
tomreynso    apt list --installed ubuntu-desktop    says it is installed?17:13
mccif i search my cmdline history for "apt remove", I find I removed gnome-tweaks at some point (I installed it again immediately after), and i also removed gnome-software (I had installed it shortly before to see if I wanted it, the answer was no, it did not convince me it offered something ubuntu app center did not). if I search my cmdline history for "apt autoremove" I find i ran it once, shortly after  removing gnome-software17:13
mcc@tomreyn https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sYvKmuOa/image.png17:13
mccMy experience so far is that 23.10 is buggy in a way that 23.04, which I have been running dual boot on a desktop for some months, is not. I am interested in getting all these bugs/oddities I am experiencing logged, so at least my buggy experience is at some level helpful.17:14
mccI am saying this to suggest maybe the mysterious disappearance of ubuntu-bug (requiring me to apt install apport a couple hours ago) is one of these 23.10 bugs.17:15
tomreynmcc: i would have believed a "yes, it's installed", too ;)17:16
mcc@tomreyn sure. just wanted to make sure you had all the information.17:17
Eickmeyerubuntu-bug is part of apport which is installed as part of ubuntu-minimal-desktop so somehow that metapackage got uninstalled which means "sudo apt autoremove" would have "autoremove"-d it.17:17
mcc@eickmeyer ok. ubuntu-minimal-desktop is not a registered dependency of ubuntu-desktop then?17:17
EickmeyerNo, the other way around.17:17
mcc*thinks* ok. so ubuntu-minimal-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop, and ubuntu 23.10 on fresh install despite installing apport does not register either ubuntu-minimal-desktop or apport as a dependency, meaning the first time I ran autoremove after fresh install apport got zapped? do i understand correctly?17:19
mccShould I apt install anything else (such as apport-gtk) and see if it fixes ubuntu-bug/apport-bug's sudden refusal to open a firefox window (I did successfully file two bugs with a couple hours ago, after manually re-installing apport, and *THOSE* times firefox was able to open tabs for them fine)?17:20
tomreyni'm looking at https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2023.10&package=nautilus&from=2023-10-20&to=2023-10-21 but i assume the submitted crash will take some time to be analyzed and is not yet showing up there17:20
mccis there a log on my system i could check to notify that a log was in fact sent to the server?17:21
mccto verify. i mean17:21
tomreynthere is probably /var/log/apport* which *may* have such information17:21
Eickmeyermcc: It's a metapackage which means it contains no actual code, but is more of a set of installation instructions to install groups of packages.17:22
EickmeyerStill, uninstalling metapackages from your system that it comes preinstalled with is *always* a bad idea.17:22
tomreynthere is probably also /var/log/apt/history.log which could tell you why you don't have apport-gtk installed17:22
mcc@eickmeyer sure, i understand the principle. what i don't understand is how the package got "marked as uninstalled" (deselected? is that the term?) by dpkg17:23
mcc@eickmeyer again the only things i have *manually* removed since install are gnome-tweaks and gnome-software (neither installed by default, unless i'm missing something critical)17:23
tomreyni do assume apport-gtk was marked as automatically instaleld and got autremoved after removal of the ubuntu-desktop-minimal package then17:23
mccgnome-software as far as i know is like a gnome upstream alternative to "app center"17:24
EickmeyerIf you uninstall a hard dependency of a package, even accidentally, it will want to uninstall every single hard dependency and will mark packages that were soft dependencies as autoremovable as long as they're not soft or hard dependencies of anything else.17:24
Eickmeyermcc: Sadly, not anymore (RE: gnome-software)17:24
mcc"If you uninstall a hard dependency of a package, even accidentally…" okay. are you suggesting i did that?17:25
EickmeyerIt's quite possible.17:25
mcc@eickmeyer as mentioned, if i "history | grep apt | grep remove", the *only* things i found i manually uninstalled are gnome-software, gnome-tweaks, and thunderbird (sorry didn't mention thunderbird before). gnome-software and gnome-tweaks are not installed by default. thunderbird is but shouldn't be relevant. i understand this "history" could be incomplete; is there a log that would  verify i accidentally uninstalled something else?17:27
mcc@tomreyn here is the complete contents of my apport.log. https://termbin.com/pwu917:27
mcc@eickmeyer also, would you recommend i now manually install gnome-desktop-minimal, since we believe it is absent?17:28
Eickmeyermcc: Unfortunately, your apt history won't show that because it won't show dependencies that were uninstalled, including if you run "sudo apt autoremove".17:29
tomreynmcc: i assume that "is_closing_session(): Could not determine DBUS socket." is a follow-up error of something else going wrong. but i'm not into dbus or gnome enough to understand this.17:29
Eickmeyermcc: gnome-desktop-minimal is a metapackage from upstream Debian which gives the vanilla GNOME desktop.17:30
tomreynwe were previously talking about ubuntu-desktop-minimal, i believe.17:30
Eickmeyertomreyn: He asked specifically if he should install gnome-desktop-minimal.17:31
Eickmeyermcc: Basically, don't install gnome-desktop-minimal, it's unneeded.17:31
ioriai wasn't aware  of a gnome-desktop-minimal pkg17:33
Eickmeyer!info gnome-desktop-minimal17:33
ubottuPackage gnome-desktop-minimal does not exist in mantic17:33
Eickmeyer...17:33
mcc@eickmeyer okay. i apologize if i am repeating myself. but here is how i see it: my understanding is dpkg (underlying apt) has a number of packages which are "selected". these are the packages which dpkg believes "must" be installed along with all their dependencies. if you apt-get install a package, dpkg will "select" it and install its dependencies. if you apt-get uninstall a package, dpkg will "deselect" it and install the17:33
mccuninstalled package only. If you later apt-get autoremove, it scans to see if any packages are "orphaned" (not a dependency of any selected package) and if so, it removes them. based on this, i would assume apt-get autoremove shortly after a fresh ubuntu install is *always* a "safe" operation, because anything that "shouldn't" be removed was "selected" (or something that depends on it was selected) during install. so it seems if my17:33
mccautoremove killed an essential package, when I have not *manually* uninstalled (IE: apt removed, deselected) any built-in packages except for thunderbird, then this implies there is a bug in ubuntu. am i missing anything?17:33
EickmeyerApparently not an actual thing.17:33
mccAlso, not that it matters, but I'm a she17:34
Eickmeyermcc: Don't write such long stuff.17:34
Eickmeyermcc: Sorry. :)17:34
mccs'ok17:34
tomreynEickmeyer: thanks (i noticed, but assumed mcc had mixed those up)17:34
mcctomreyn: i guess the question i meant to ask is, "y'all are telling me something that shouldn't have been uninstalled got uninstalled. is there a package or metapackage i should manually install to ensure EVERYTHING i'm supposed to have comes back?"17:35
Eickmeyermcc: So, apt is a package handler on top of dpkg. dpkg does the nitty-gritty "installation" stuff, but apt does the conflict resolution and dependency resolution, including soft dependencies, hard dependencies, and calculates what can be removed based on what is no longer needed. It's done based on a set of relationships predetermined in the packaging: Depends, Recommmends, and Suggests.17:36
ioriaubuntu-desktop^ (<-note the caret) mcc17:37
iorianuclear option, btw17:37
EickmeyerThere's also Breaks, Replaces, and others, but it gets real complicated.17:38
* Eickmeyer is an Ubuntu MOTU17:38
mccioria: do you recommend this? What will it do? I am looking it up on google but it's a little confusing.17:39
Eickmeyermcc: If you really want to learn about the packaging and the relationships, and get in-depth, check this out: https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/17:39
EickmeyerActually, that's out-dated.17:39
ioriaif you broke your de, yes mcc17:40
mcc@eickmeyer: ok. i guess what i should have asked was, it seems a package could be in one of three states, uninstalled, or "manually installed" meaning it's a package that will not be removed by autoremoved, or installed but a candidate to be removed by autoremove. what vocabulary should i be using for these three states to ensure i am understood?17:40
mccioria: ok. at this moment i am interested not just in fixing my de but gathering enough information to ensure anything that's "wrong" here is properly filed in a bug with ubuntu. will installing ubuntu-desktop with caret destroy such information?17:41
tomreynmcc: i think what ioria said is the correct answer to the question you asked me.17:41
mccok. thanks.17:41
tomreyni should say i'm guessing, since we can't be exactly sure what happened there.17:42
Eickmeyermcc: Ok, so manually installed is anything you manually install via "sudo apt install". If you have something that was manually installed and you wish to return it to automatically installed, you can use "sudo apt-mark auto {package}".17:42
mccthe possible bugs I identify in this conversation are: - at a particular moment in the last 48hr, some number of packages including apport got uninstalled, possibly as part of an apt autoremove, and no one has yet convinced me the event was caused by me rather than ubuntu; - nautilus crashed while accessing smb; - when nautilus crashed, i did not properly get a GUI notification; apport-bug/ubuntu-bug suddenly can't open firefox windows17:43
mcc...and also i'm still not sure whether my nautilus crash was properly filed either automatically on crash (when apport-gtk failed to install), or by me manually calling ubuntu-bug.17:44
mccanyway, i'll go ahead and see what the caret thing does. one minute17:45
Eickmeyermcc: So, I'm not sure you're finding bugs other than the nautilus crash. Bugs are about finding problems and keeping others from running into the same issue, and most of what you're finding are problems local to your system, which makes them support issues, which means you're in the right place. Just because it's happening to you doesn't mean it's happening to everybody. :)17:45
mccwell, sure, but if i am one of the first people to install 23.10, and i see an unusual behavior that i cannot directly link to "something i did", then even without something like a consistent repro this sounds like a strong signal that my system-local issue *may* in fact be a bug that you're going to be seeing a lot more, possibly when 23.10 becomes eligible for dist-upgrade17:47
mccidk17:47
EickmeyerI assure you, you're not one of the first people to install 23.10. I have been running it since development opened. :)17:48
ioriamcc, are you experiencing  nautilus crashes ?17:48
mccIoria just the one so far. The start of this conversation was me trying to ensure it was properly registered in your crash database17:51
ioriai see17:51
EickmeyerI'm fairly certain the second attempt got it registered in the crash database, but no actual bug was filed (might not need to be if a similar crash has been seen).17:52
tomreyndo bugs get filed automatically by daisy?17:52
tomreyni was thinking crashes are just analyzed and go into errors.ubuntu.com and can then be inspected and bugss can be reported manually17:52
Eickmeyertomreyn: Yes and no. Yes if daisy determines it to be new, no if daisy determines it to be a repeat of the same crash.17:53
tomreynor semi-manually by clickon a button there rather17:53
tomreyni see17:53
EickmeyerAnd yes, I see mcc's crash in errors.ubuntu.com17:54
* Eickmeyer has access to that.17:54
tomreyndo you see it listed here? https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2023.10&package=nautilus&from=2023-10-20&to=2023-10-2117:55
tomreyni would not know which one it is there, if any.17:55
EickmeyerI'm looking in the past day.17:56
tomreynonly the last but one seems to be libgtk related17:56
tomreynthese pages are public btw (just the detailed ones are not)17:57
EickmeyerRight, I have access to the details.17:58
* tomreyn , too :)17:58
EickmeyerNice17:59
mcc@Eickmeyer okay I will not worry about that further then. Thanks.18:00
tomreynmcc: but indeed, as this chat suggests, access to the analyzed crash 'logs' is limited to ubuntu developers and folks helping with bug triage.18:00
mccOk cool18:01
Eickmeyermcc: The issue you have with nautilus seems to be an issue with UTF-8 (text) encoding in smb shares, and seems to be a fairly common occurrance of crashes in nautilus (including yours, 19 occurrances in the past day). Hence, you got no bug creation dialog.18:04
mccOkay. Cool, sounds reasonable. Thanks for looking into it.18:05
Eickmeyermcc: So, everyone seems to be aware of the issue and, if there isn't an upstream fix, I'm sure there will be one soon.18:05
EickmeyerYou're welcome.18:06
mcc@ioria: okay. sorry about the delay. i understand that this is a support channel not a bug channel, but i do want to file a bug so if you could help me a little more i'd appreciate it. i tried your ubuntu-support^ thing, and this is what I saw: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3b3Jeb9T/image.png18:16
mccso yes, that's installing apport-gtk (good). But it's also installing thunderbird (bad). is this what you expect? does thunderbird being in the ^ list here imply that thunderbird is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop? does this imply that manually removing thunderbird could also remove ubuntu-desktop somehow?18:17
tomreynmcc: the ubuntu-desktop *package* (not sure about the *task*, which we suggested you could install) *recommends* (not depends) on thunderbird. package ubuntu-desktop-minial does not. you can review information on these packages on https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/ubuntu-desktop and https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/ubuntu-desktop-minimal18:25
mccthanks for the information18:27
tomreynapt-cache show ubuntu-desktop^ | grep ^Package: | sed -e 's/Package: //' | sort -u18:29
tomreyn... should list the packages the *task* would install18:29
tomreynalternatively: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel#Tasks_List18:36
mccthat's useful, thanks. um, one more question. i did run sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop^. it said "note, selecting [package]" and then various "[package] is set to manually installed" packages. it then told me what it was about to install and asked if i should do it. i said "no". so i see it installed nothing. but— did entering the command, then saying no, change the "manually installed"/"selected" status?18:38
tomreyni'm not sure, but based on what you say, it sounds like that's what happened.18:44
tomreynyou can change the status back to automatically installed using   sudo apt-mark auto <some-package-name>18:45
mccHere is the bug I filed based on the above discussion, thank you all for answering my confused questions. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/204001419:14
-ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2040014 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installing then uninstalling gnome-software somehow killed apport" [Undecided, New]19:14
Eickmeyermcc: Sadly, that's going to have to be marked invalid as it is 1) the wrong package, and 2) ubiquity certainly didn't do that as it wasn't installed at the time this occurred.19:15
mcc@eickmeyer: I told it to install to package "apt". That was what I wrote in the box. Can it be moved to the correct component?19:16
Eickmeyermcc: Unfortunately, and I know you're not going to want to hear this, but the problem here is an accidental user error. :(19:16
mcc@eickmeyer: When I ran ubuntu-bug it asked what component to attach it to and I said "installation". i then changed it to apt after reviewing the information (I thought)19:17
mcceickmeyer: *deep breath* can you explain to me what the user error was, because I have reviewed all logs carefully and i cannot find one19:18
Eickmeyermcc: Not without deep-diving into what happened, and unfortunately I, nor any volunteer here, has any time to really dive into this in-depth. But I assure you, at some point, something got uninstalled that caused apport (the package that installs the ubuntu-bug command) to become uninstalled. The way that happened, I don't know, nor do I have the time to diagnose.19:20
Eickmeyermcc: However, I do know that ubiquity (the system installer) certainly wasn't responsible as I have way too much in-depth knowledge in how it works.19:20
mccYeah. Like I said, filing against ubiquity was not my intent. (I initially THOUGHT ubiquity could be implicated, but then I realized I did an autoremove very shortly after system setup and that didn't do anything bad)19:21
Eickmeyermcc: Unfortunately, there is no single system component this can be filed under, because it's (as I said before) a support issue and not a system bug.19:21
mcc*if* it's a user error, sure19:23
EickmeyerIt most certainly was, unfortunately. :(19:23
tesseractdoes anyone know if vlc in ubuntu 23.10 can do hw decoding on raspberry pi 5?19:34
tesseracti read that ubuntu now supports raspberry pi 519:34
leftyfbtesseract: since the pi 5 hasn't been released yet, I don't think anyone here can answer that19:47
oerheksoctober 23 release ..19:52
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waveformtesseract, it depends what you're decoding; one of the changes in the hardware on the Pi5 is that the GPU no longers supports h264 decode (because the CPU is now fast enough for that) but does support h265 decode (for example). That said, the upstream patches for mesa did make it into 23.10 so applications should be able to take advantage of the hardware20:56
jsmoothI've installed Apache2, but trying to start the service is says hte service doesn't exist20:58
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tomreynjsmooth: it's a lower case a, as in apache2, i would think21:06
tomreynalso, services are started automatically at install-time on ubuntu21:07
oerhekssudo systemctl status apache221:08
tesseractwaveform, wow. i am shocked it doesn't support h264 decode :/21:10
waveformtesseract, no need when the CPU is sufficiently fast that it can do it without breaking a sweat. This is the same case as when the pi4 removed hardware support for MPEG2 decode (which had hardware acceleration on the pi3 and below)21:11
tesseractwaveform, do you know if it supports vp9?21:11
tesseractYouTube use that codec21:12
tesseractI want Firefox hw decode it21:12
waveformtesseract, the pi4 certainly didn't (which is why raspios shipped with the h264ify extension to "persuade" youtube to feed h264 streams to the pi which it could hw decode). I'm not sure about the 5, but I would *guess* no21:13
jsmoothI used lowercase21:13
tesseractwaveform, but it matters when you let's say running a 1080p video while browsing21:13
jsmoothsystemd says it's running21:14
tesseractGPU decoding is important. I want to use it as desktop workstation21:14
tesseractopening videos while browsing etc21:15
tesseractI am very disappointed that it doesn't support x264 decoding anymore21:16
tomreynjsmooth: so i guess you're good?21:16
tomreynjsmooth: what were you inquiring previously if not systemctl?21:16
waveformtesseract, it does support h264 decoding ... but not on the GPU because that's simply not necessary. Consider: would you want to add silicon to the GPU to support MPEG2 decoding? I'd hope not because it takes less than a single ARM to handle that these days. There's a "silicon budget" with these SoCs, and it's much better to spend it on supporting the codecs you *can't* support on the CPU cores (due to their complexity)21:18
tesseractwaveform, but it will cause lag watching 1080p video while doing some other task because it eats CPU instead of gpu21:20
oerhekstesseract, but the pi 5 is not released yet21:29
JanCdecoding doesn't necessarily use hardcoded hardware decoders; AFAIK nowadays many use special GPU programs to do the actual decoding, with hardware-accelerated instructions for some very common operations21:29
JanCthe Pi might still have dedicated hardware blocks, I don't know21:30
jsmoothI get a page as if the server is down, but systemctl says apache is running21:32
JanCjsmooth: what do you mean by "as if the server is down"?21:36
JanCone possibility is that Apache is misconfigured, another (if browser & apache are on different computers) that you have a firewall running that blocks access to it...21:38
Jim`What are the chances of getting a Deskjet 2640 working ?22:03
Jim`Or working right away?22:03
leftyfbJim`: plug it in and try it22:04
Jim`leftyfb: Would the Live disk be able to tell?22:04
Jim`before I go changing from Win22:05
tomreynjsmooth: the fact that you "get a page" (unless that is generated by your web browser) would suggest that the httpd server is working, even though it may be responding with an error message.22:05
oerhekssure22:05
Jim`I don't like this whole "Change before 2025 or your going to have pay for hardware to run our fancy Win 11"22:05
oerhekswhy don' t you try live mode?22:06
Jim`oerheks: I suppose I can give it a shot. Most games are linux native now I play, and I'm only worried about the printer/scanner combo other than that22:07
tomreynhttps://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index lists 2645 as supported, but not 264022:10
tomreynhttps://superuser.com/questions/910071/deskjet-2540-wireless-connection-linux suggests that people got it to work with ubuntu 14.04 (!) + hplib, though22:13
kaleidohow can i force apt to update properly and not just "hold back" upgrades?22:35
JanCJim`: like others said: best is to just try it--and even if it doesn't work, replacing the printer/scanner is probably going to be cheaper than replacing your computer anyway...22:35
kaleidotrying to guess the order when there are 18 updates is silly22:35
oerhekskaleido, use dist-upgrade then22:36
Jim`JanC: yeah in the end it's either "PAY FOR MORE HARDWARE SO YOU CAN RUN AN OS BOY!" or linux22:37
kaleidomay i inquire as to the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade?22:37
kaleidooerheks: and thank you!22:37
kaleidohmm, even dist-ugrade is holding packages back22:38
JanCI think *most* HP deskjet printers work on linux, but maybe not all their scanner do...22:38
oerhekskaleido, without knowing what packages, it will be fixed net update run after reboot.22:38
JanCbut I haven't used any of them lately, so I'm not sure22:39
guiverckaleido, view man `apt-get` or `man apt` & search for dist-upgrade to read differences22:39
oerheksguiverc, oh, good spot22:39
guivercmy release states "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The dist-upgrade command may therefore remove some packages. ..."22:40
rbox!phasedupdated | kaleido22:40
rbox!phasedupdates | kaleido22:41
ubottukaleido: Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT may hold back some updates on some systems while they are being phased in. This is called "phased updates". See https://ubottu.com/y/phased and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info.22:41
semIs it expected that 23.10 upgrade is still held back for me?22:57
toddcsem it will out in a few days22:58
tomreynuntil this prints something, it's not available, yet: curl -s https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release | fgrep 23.1022:59
JanCthe upgrade start was delayed a bit because of the issue that required a re-release of some ISOs22:59
semah ok i was under the impression that they replaced those packages and we were off to the races already. thanks23:12
ApachezLong shot but any HPE proliant server users in here? Back in the days you could download an ISO from HPE to boot from in order to update all the firmwares (motherboard, raidcontroller, nics etc) in one sweep (instead of having to find each and everyone manually on their site which also was only for windows). Similar to HP SmartStart but instead of aiding of installing OS with proper drivers this was only for firmware updates. Anyone who remembers what23:20
Apachezthat ISO was called and if it still exists (handy when running Linux on the box)?23:20
HabbieApachez, i don't know that, but did you check fwupdmgr?23:20
oerheksehm, ubuntu and other linux versions use fwupdate tool23:20
Habbieoerheks, it's not always complete though23:21
oerheksnot sure it does not meet his hardware ..23:21
tomreynApachez is referring ot the "SPP", "service pack for proliant"23:21
Habbieah23:21
oerhekshttps://techlibrary.hpe.com/docs/enterprise/servers/icsp/webhelp/content/s_osdbuildplan_how_fw_add.html23:21
oerheksthat points to https://www.hp.com/go/spp23:22
oerheksbut check  ubuntu fwupdate first?23:22
Apachezoerheks: does fwupdate support offline systems?23:25
Apachezlike is there an iso edition of fwupdate available?23:25
Apacheztomreyn: thanks! looks like what I was thinking of23:25
Apacheztomreyn: do you know if their naming of "gen11" refers to the gen number of the server (I assume so) ?23:25
Apachezas in you must select a gen10 spp for a gen10 server23:26
tomreynApachez: yes, refers to hardware generation23:26
Apachezgreat, now I also have to find out which gen the servers are23:26
Apachezwhy cant life just not be easy for once? ;)23:26
tomreyni'm not sure whether or not they stoppped producing the isos, but they certainly put them behind a paywall23:27
Apachezyeah their shortlink is https://www.hpe.com/info/spp so they still seems to be around at least for gen7 and newer23:27
Habbiepaywall or loginwall?23:28
Apachezthey main great thing is that I dont have to manually download each and every firmware update and then convert it to be used in linux... but sure for an online system I would go for fwupdate/fwupdatemgr23:28
ApachezHabbie: sort of both... HPE account which you can only get if you have a HPE product23:28
Apachezmy favorite was the 2 stage level to get vmware updates... first register HPE account, put in licenses... then get some intermediate license you use to put in at your vmware account... THEN you can download the HPE custom VMware ESXi images23:29
Habbieouch23:30
Apachezlike why not just put in the vmware license you already aquired at vmware site? nooooo23:30
Apachezits like videos of shopping in oldstyle soviet :)23:30
Apachezlike you couldnt just grab a loaf of bread and go to the cashier, pay and leave... first you were in queue to get a ticket to get a loaf... then in a queue to get the loaf... then in queue to be able to pay for a cashier and finally the forth queue was the cashier and then you could leave (or something like that =)23:31

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