[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:01] <zhsj> o/
[15:01] <ogayot> o/
[15:01] <dviererbe> o/
[15:01] <ginggs> o/
[15:01] <adrien> \o
[15:01] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:01] <bdrung> \o
[15:01] <liushuyu> o/
[15:01] <mwhudson> !
[15:01] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:02] <schopin> o/
[15:02] <waveform> o/
[15:02] <juliank> o/
[15:02] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:22 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[15:02] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:02] <juliank> We are going to skip this today, as discourse is down
[15:03] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:03] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:03] <juliank> oh that's not there yet
[15:03] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:03] <juliank> bug 2038807
[15:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2038807 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "/usr/libexec/packagekitd:6:g_assertion_message:g_assertion_message_expr:pk_transaction_dispose:pk_transaction_dispose:g_object_unref" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038807
[15:04] <juliank> I'll go tag this and ping some people if they have insight
[15:04] <bdmurray> We were waiting for you to look at it.
[15:05] <juliank> Yes and I want to talk to upstream :)
[15:05] <juliank> Maybe they fixed it already?
[15:05] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:05] <juliank> empty
[15:05] <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:05] <vorlon> really nothing else in incoming for mantic? huh
[15:05] <dbungert> I had one I wanted to discuss for NN - LP: #2040481
[15:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2040481 in subiquity "Cannot install Jammy server on machine using pppoe connection to access internet" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040481
[15:06] <bdmurray> Well there is this upgrade bug... ;-)
[15:06] <vorlon> yeah but it's not incoming, it just needs sponsorship
[15:06] <juliank> bug 2037667
[15:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037667 in linux (Ubuntu Jammy) "Regression on Jammy's kernel 5.15 when creating ip6gre and vti6 tunnels" [High, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037667
[15:06] <juliank> seems a kernel bug
[15:06] <juliank> ah no a systemd-networkd bug
[15:07] <slyon> juliank: well.. kernel wants systemd to be investigated
[15:07] <juliank> or collision of bugs :)
[15:07] <slyon> basically, kernel increased validation for gre tunnels, which makes (old) systemd-networkd fail. Passes on newer systemd-networkd
[15:07] <slyon> they wanted us (enr0n?) to investigate if the corresponding networkd fix could be backported
[15:07] <juliank> Sounds reasonable
[15:07] <juliank> enr0n: Can you investigate that?
[15:08] <enr0n> juliank: sure, can do
[15:08] <slyon> I can help with spotting the relevant systemd commits. Didn't have time to do that today
[15:09] <juliank> -ff is empty
[15:13] <juliank> we'll be right back here :D
[15:14] <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:14] <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:14] <juliank> this is weird
[15:15] <vorlon> it's correct and based on noble
[15:16] <juliank> I guess nothing is late yet :D
[15:16] <vorlon> openjdk-17 is ftbfs on riscv64
[15:16] <vorlon> with no build log because riscv64 is sad
[15:16] <vorlon> so I've retried it now
[15:16] <juliank> hooray
[15:16] <vorlon> nothing else here
[15:16] <juliank> #topic AOB
[15:16] <dbungert> I had one I wanted to discuss for NN - LP: #2040481
[15:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2040481 in subiquity "Cannot install Jammy server on machine using pppoe connection to access internet" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040481
[15:17] <dbungert> I'm wondering if that ppp package should be in the pool
[15:17] <juliank> does subiquity support setting this up?
[15:17] <dbungert> no
[15:17] <dbungert> so you could do an offline install, but I'm not sure what the plan would be to eventually get it online
[15:17] <juliank> I guess you want to do ubuntu-drivers stuff to auto-install that if modem detected
[15:18] <vorlon> historically it's in the pool so you have it available offline and worst case can manually install it
[15:18] <juliank> like other driver packages?
[15:18] <juliank> but yeah including in the pool for manual bootstrap is enough
[15:18] <juliank> go for it!
[15:18] <juliank> reassign to um ubuntu-meta?
[15:19] <dbungert> I think that makes sense, thanks
[15:19] <vorlon> fwiw my Ubuntu Internet gateway uses pppoe on top of netplan, but I had to do all the pppoe myself :)
[15:20] <juliank> vorlon wanted to discuss dpkg misbuilt compiler flags buig
[15:20] <juliank> * bug
[15:20] <vorlon> yes, LP: #2040518
[15:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2040518 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "dpkg 1.22.0ubuntu1 breaking changes" [Undecided, Won't Fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2040518
[15:20] <vorlon> so as I mentioned to juliank, the correct dpkg status is 'wontfix' because we don't want to change dpkg behavior
[15:20] <adrien> vorlon: I'm curious as to how you're doing that because I should install a new gateway/server in a few weeks or months
[15:20] <vorlon> but this is something that needs attention for noble
[15:20] <adrien> (this is for another time of course :) )
[15:20] <vorlon> adrien: networkd-dispatcher!
[15:21] <slyon> adrien: see bug #1769034
[15:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1769034 in netplan "Problems configuring pppoe when using netplan" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1769034
[15:21] <adrien> thanks!
[15:21] <vorlon> so we need to get this in the queue for noble as a high priority. juliank should I just set the bug back to triaged on dpkg for now?
[15:21] <vorlon> or do we want to pull it in as a jira card manually
[15:21] <juliank> Better file a jira epic and add tasks to that
[15:22] <juliank> Don't want all packages / the overarching thing in a single jira bug issue
[15:22] <juliank> (because then individual bugs would be annoying to handle)
[15:23] <juliank> epic to fix regressions, with spike to identify them?
[15:23] <vorlon> and since this is off roadmap what am I doing with that epic to make sure it gets prioritized :)
[15:23] <vorlon> +spike
[15:24] <juliank> put spike in the next pulse and bug people?
[15:24] <vorlon> k
[15:24] <vorlon> I'll follow through on that then, thanks
[15:25] <juliank> ta!
[15:25] <juliank> any other business?
[15:25] <adrien> I have another topic: for my openssl SRU there's a fix for default encryption parameters in openssl for blowfish ocb
[15:25] <bdrung> I like to suggest to look at the top entries on https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2023.10&user=foundations-bugs&period=week
[15:26] <adrien> the issue introduces an incompatibility between everything else and jammy
[15:26] <bdmurray> bdrung: on a regular basis ideally
[15:26] <adrien> fixing it will however introduce an incompatibility between jammy-before-the-fix and jammy-after-the-fix
[15:27] <juliank> hmm
[15:27] <juliank> adrien: how important is blowfish in practice?
[15:27] <adrien> reason to fix: get compat back; reason not to fix: incompat for files created before the update and read after the update
[15:27] <schopin> that'd be bug 1990216
[15:27] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990216 in openssl (Ubuntu Jammy) "backport fix for 'OpenSSL 3 cannot decrypt data encrypted with OpenSSL 1.1 with blowfish in OFB or CFB modes' to Jammy" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990216
[15:27] <juliank> I'm more worried about regressions in the release
[15:27] <adrien> I think fairly few people use it and people who use it probably shouldn't use it anymore (if only for its low speed)
[15:28] <juliank> I agree with schopin's comment I think
[15:29] <juliank> But I feel I don't have full context
[15:29] <adrien> and we couldn't find an objective way/metric/whatever to decide whether we should try to include such a change or not
[15:29] <adrien> is there anything specific you think you're missing?
[15:30] <juliank> I don't grok the bug fully yet
[15:30] <vorlon> adrien: is this an SRU that's already in the queue?
[15:31] <vorlon> this is the sort of thing you will certainly need to get feedback specifically from the SRU team on
[15:32] <adrien> vorlon: no, ad we dropped that specific change from the upcoming SRU
[15:32] <vorlon> my gut reaction is "oops we broke compatibility with older stuff; but it's been in the stable release for 1.5y so it is what it is"
[15:32] <vorlon> which seems to be the way you're leaning
[15:35] <slyon> discourse is back up: feel free to paste your weekly status reports: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-26-oct-2023/39759
[15:35] <schopin> damnit, now I'm going to have to write it up!
[15:35] <vorlon> oh damn ^^ that
[15:35] <vorlon> I thought I was off the hook! :)
[15:44] <juliank> #endmeeting
[15:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:44:33 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-10-26-15.02.moin.txt