[00:09] <monty_hall> just did an "apt upgrade" and it say 10 pacakges were held back.
[00:10] <monty_hall> I also see this message "get more sec updates thru Ubuntu pro with 'esm-apps' enabled' <- the the held back pacages have anything to do with this.  This is the first I've seen this messge.
[00:10] <monty_hall> The following packages have been kept back:
[00:10] <monty_hall>   libnss-systemd libpam-systemd libsystemd0 libudev-dev libudev1 systemd systemd-oomd systemd-sysv systemd-timesyncd udev
[00:10] <monty_hall> running ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[00:11] <monty_hall> I guess how do I fix the held up packages - or do I?
[00:11] <guiverc> Alesha, you've not said what release, but the glibc version mentioned is far older than any supported release of Ubuntu
[00:13] <guiverc> monty_hall, I'd look at what is installed (apt-cache policy) as ` libnss-systemd | 249.11-0ubuntu3.11 | jammy-updates   | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x` is what I'd expect (if not held back)
[00:14] <guiverc> pro messages are informational & no errors; telling you of a higher security option available (Pro/ESM provides security for universe packages that don't get them otherwise)
[01:04] <toddc> !pro | monty_hall
[02:12] <synapt> toddc: Tried nomodset, tried noapci, tried about every normal method I can think lol.  Just an intel integrated on an i7.
[02:27] <toddc> synapt: sorry beyond me then I do a lot of installs and not run into one yet that failed
[02:40] <tomreyn> synapt: do a bios upgrade (your current is what    journalctl -b | grep DMI:   outputs, the latest is available from the mainboard / laptop vendor support website). if this doesn't help, do a server install, and install ubuntu-desktop-minimal.
[02:50] <loswedseded> explain to me, please, the difference between 'do-release-upgrade' and downloading the iso as a torrent
[02:51] <loswedseded> to upgrade to 23.10
[02:55] <jStefan> I don't even remember if using the ISO is a supported upgrade path
[02:56] <jStefan> the iso is designed to pretty much clone the live environment to disk, and then perform a few customization the user picks during install
[02:58] <jStefan> for one, It can't have every single package possible in the release, you may have some software installed that is not in the ISO, at all, requiring downloading the update anyway.
[02:58] <loswedseded> ok, so when is the do-release-upgrade version being released?
[02:58] <jStefan> there was a time that the installation media could be used as an apt source, but afaik, that was a long time ago
[02:59] <loswedseded> what's the point of releasing an sio copy then?
[02:59] <loswedseded> iso
[02:59] <rbox> so people can install it?
[02:59] <jStefan> new installations are much more predictable that upgrades. A lot of users use the ISO for new installations
[03:00] <jStefan> than*
[03:00] <loswedseded> oh
[03:01] <jStefan> holding the in-place upgrade for a few weeks, gives more time to test the new release on a wider populace with minimum risk. Before unleashing it on the whole ubuntu populace that might have existing production environments, therefore, more risk
[03:01] <toddc> I avoid upgrades if possible due to many things that cannot be migrated to new systems
[03:02] <jStefan> eg: someone installing an ISO on an empty hardware, vs someone upgrading a production environment
[03:02] <jStefan> you "can" still trigger the release upgrade, it's just considered "Development" at this point
[03:36] <uf> im trying to boot an ubuntu live from usb. got the latest .iso from ubuntu.com, flashed on a 16G usb drive.
[03:36] <uf> i got a nouveau unknown chipset error, so i moved the monitor cable to the on board graphics because the forums suggest this is a drivers issue (wtf?)
[03:36] <synapt> tomreyn: Kind of hard to tell what the current is from ubuntu when the installer/live/etc just freeze the whole system immediately after start lol.  I'll check for any BIOS/UEFI flashes though, I'd be surprised if there's anything since the last time I updated this thing all up
[03:36] <uf> this got me a bit further, but after some time on the ubuntu loading logo, i get an initramfs error that it cant find a bootable media
[03:37] <rbox> uf: how did you flash it?
[03:37] <uf> rbox rufus
[03:37] <uf> which is also a weird error to get after it already booted from that usb
[03:37] <rbox> well its just the kernel loaded
[03:37] <synapt> it wouldn't be so bad if it at least showed me /where/ it was freezing at but I can't even get any output at all, just a simple _ cursor on screen then after about 10 seconds everything is unresponsive (by way of the ol' classic caps lock/num lock/etc led checking lol)
[03:38] <rbox> the ubuntu docuemtantion has steps on how to create a usb
[03:38] <uf> yeah, those weird branded flashing apps... no thanks
[03:38] <uf> everyone has their own branded gui wrapper for dd these days
[03:39] <jStefan> afaik, ubuntu has suggested rufus before
[03:39] <jStefan> i still use it
[04:21] <uf> okay well, new issue. why can't apt find dislocker on a live cd?
[04:22] <rbox> huh?
[04:23] <uf> apt update && apt install dislocker says it cant find dislocker
[04:23] <uf> same for aptitude or pretty much any other package i tried
[04:23] <Bashing-om> !find dislocker
[04:24] <rbox> looks like its in uniiverse
[04:24] <rbox> universe is probalby not neabled
[04:28] <uf> i guess i need persistent storage to install stuff as well?
[04:29] <rbox> well if you want it to persist...
[04:29] <uf> i dont, but i cant install it still so i'm guessing now
[04:30] <rbox> "install it"
[04:30] <uf> i need to use it.
[04:48] <Kitty74> hi room
[04:48] <gry> hi Kitty74
[04:49] <Kitty74> am new here
[04:49] <Kitty74> trying to find my way around
[04:49] <gry> i am new here too. this looks like an ubuntu support room. do you have an ubuntu question?
[04:50] <Kitty74> ok
[04:50] <Kitty74> I will try another room
[04:50] <Kitty74> thamls
[04:50] <gry> why another?
[04:51] <gry> you have no questions about ubuntu you mean? are you using ubuntu today?
[04:51] <gry> all working for you?
[04:51] <Kitty74> I don't know what ubuntu is
[04:51] <matsaman> ...
[04:51] <gry> ubuntu is a linux distro. it can work as a desktop operating system or a server system.
[04:52] <gry> it is free and (mostly) open-source, so it is customizable and does not require a fee to upgrade.
[04:52] <Kitty74> thaught I was in Libra
[04:52] <Kitty74> lol
[04:52] <gry> would you like to try it on your computer? do you have a usb?
[04:52] <matsaman> Kitty74: #libera?
[04:52] <gry> yes this room is part of the libera network
[04:52] <Kitty74> ok
[04:52] <gry> you can try ubuntu if you want too. maybe you will like it more than your current os. https://ubuntu.com/download
[04:53] <gry> you can do it without removing your current system. just boot from a usb and see what it looks like.
[04:53] <Kitty74> don't know how to do all that
[04:54] <Kitty74> I will try the link you sent me
[04:54] <Kitty74> thank you
[04:54] <gry> oh. download .iso if you like. it will have friendly instructions.
[04:55] <gry> someone is often available here to help you if you have questions. ubuntu is good for home use and for work or kids too.
[04:56] <Kitty74> have to download it
[04:56] <Kitty74> was wanting libra
[04:56] <gry> right. click here >>> #libera <<<
[04:57] <gry> that's your channel. you will be in two channels then.
[04:57] <gry> ubuntu is a large file. it includes everything you need for a basic desktop. may take some time to download.
[05:28] <kai> morning folks
[05:28] <matsaman> mornin'
[05:29] <kai> I have a strange network issue on my laptop ever since upgrading two days ago. I can connect to the local network, but can't seem to open websites or do anything else on the internet
[05:30] <kai> this happens on wifi or wired connections, and I just realised that on my home network, where I also have IPv6 configured, I can reach IPv6 sites just fine
[05:31] <kai> so it's just IPv4 that can't connect past the default gateway, not even to other VLANs I have at home
[05:32] <kai> but this isn't just the local gateway, I have the exact same issue on my phone's hotspot, and some other wifis I tried while on the road yesterday
[05:33] <kai> I have had no luck googling for this, and I'm not even sure where to start debugging this
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> kai: i would say, maybe investigate if this is an ubuntu issue or rather a networking issue first
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> kai: in case its an ubuntu problem, share some details more with the volunteers
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !details
[05:35] <kai> when booting an ubuntu live image, the connection worked just fine
[05:35] <ChuddyGroyper> shalom
[05:36] <kai> ah, I just realised that I can paste config details from the machine, as I can ssh into it from the local network
[05:38] <jStefan> kai, so you can ssh in but still nothing out? from said laptop, can you initiate a connection to other lan devices ?
[05:38] <kai> yeah, as I said, the local network works, can't get past the gateway
[05:39] <kai> but I guess I've found the culprit when I can `nmcli` to get an overview of networking.
[05:39] <kai> turns out it wasn't the update that caused this, but the reboot after the update
[05:40] <kai> I'd set up a wireguard connection via nmcli, and apparently that's not working as it should
[05:40] <ruhsayngone> Read about a middle-aged lady from Regina date raping Richard Simmons! Read this excerpt and decide if you are interested:  Whenever the classic rock anthem "We Will Rock You" blared over the loudspeakers, Edna would shake her elbows vigorously, like maracas, causing the tattooed nipples on her elbows to jiggle and bounce. She was clearly enjoying herself, and the other spectators around her couldn't help but stare in a mix of amusement and
[05:40] <ruhsayngone> horror.    https://pastes.io/3zb8ipyqbv
[05:41] <kai> after a `nmcli connection down wg` things work again
[05:41] <kai> thanks for the help :)
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !ops | ruhsayngone
[05:42] <jStefan> kai, that probably would have set an overriding route
[05:42] <kai> jStefan: that's the thing, `ip route` looked fine
[05:42] <jStefan> but glad it's solved
[05:43] <kai> jStefan: the default route was via the network interface as it should
[05:43] <kai> anyway, now my problem turned into the way more managable "how do I fix my wireguard config"
[05:44] <ruhsayngone> Read about a middle-aged lady from Regina date raping Richard Simmons! Read this excerpt and decide if you are interested:  Whenever the classic rock anthem "We Will Rock You" blared over the loudspeakers, Edna would shake her elbows vigorously, like maracas, causing the tattooed nipples on her elbows to jiggle and bounce. She was clearly enjoying herself, and the other spectators around her couldn't help but stare in a mix of amusement and
[05:44] <ruhsayngone> horror.    https://pastes.io/3zb8ipyqbv
[05:45] <ruhsayngone> Meanwhile, across the arena, Richard Simmons was also enjoying the game. He was dressed in his trademark outfit of short shorts, a tank top, and a sweatband, and he cheered enthusiastically for the Stingrays every time they scored. Despite his flamboyant attire, Richard was feeling a little self-conscious around the other fans, who were dressed more conservatively. But he didn't let that stop him from having a good time.
[05:45] <ruhsayngone> As the game progressed, Edna couldn't help but notice Richard's perfectly toned physique and his Simmonin buns that looked like they were sculpted by the gods themselves. She found herself getting *** and bothered, and her Canadian beaver started to drip profusely as if it were being teased with melted poutine curds filling it until its clitoral tongue tingled with ecstasy.
[06:38] <elias_a> !ops
[06:39] <CosmicDJ> elias_a: bit late, he left already
[06:40] <elias_a> CosmicDJ: TY. I have disabled additional notifications. Sorry about the hassle.
[06:49] <spinningCat> i have a video that is like 5 mins i want to devide into chucks like 35 srcs is there a command for that?
[06:52] <CosmicDJ> spinningCat: I'd check ffmpeg
[06:57] <elias_a> Yes. definately ffmpeg and command line use.
[07:02] <spinningCat> i have xiaomi phone
[07:02] <spinningCat> i connect to my computer
[07:03] <spinningCat> i try to mount into folder but there is no /dev/sdb1 or something
[07:03] <spinningCat> how can i mount that anyone knows about this
[07:13] <toddc> spinningCat: I can using my pixel connect usb cable then go to the phone and find usb preferences click File transfer it then shuld show up in Nautilus File manager and look for internal shared storage
[07:13] <spinningCat> yeah then pğen terminal
[07:16] <toddc> I have not tested but their was a termaial app I looked at I was thinking ssh but dropped the idea of it
[07:19] <toddc> I recall many of the costom roms had a terminal and other options too I used lineageOs for a while
[07:37] <spinningCat> no suppport anymore? https://dpaste.com/HEKS5ZKQG
[07:38] <Habbie> spinningCat, https://endoflife.date/ubuntu
[07:38] <spinningCat> so i should get 23.04
[07:39] <spinningCat> 23.20
[07:39] <spinningCat> 10
[07:39] <elias_a> Or 42. :D
[07:40] <spinningCat> :D
[07:56] <spinningCat> i have 5 mins video i want to chuchk into 25 parts eith 35 secs. How can i modify this command. Anyone know ffmpeg -i VID_20231025_215419.mp4 -t 35 -c:v copy -c:a copy output_%03d.mp4
[07:59] <spinningCat> https://dpaste.com/HJNNK3ZZ8
[07:59] <spinningCat> i am gona do this
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> spinningCat: the ubuntu support channel focuses more on ubuntu specific issues, try #ffmpeg channel perhaps?
[08:01] <spinningCat> hmm
[08:58] <jclsn> I am having trouble getting the isc-dhcp-server to work. I have set the interfaces in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server and the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> jclsn: assuming you're on ubuntu server, maybe the #ubuntu-server channel might interest you
[09:03] <jclsn> lotuspsychje: No, Ubuntu desktop
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> ah nvm then
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> jclsn: can this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server
[09:42] <jclsn> lotuspsychje: Nothing new in there really. I got it to work. Apparently using INTERFACEv4 is too new for my version and I have to use just INTERFACES
[09:42] <jclsn> unfortunately the connected device does not get an IPv4
[09:59] <ice9> running Linux from a deb package with about 12 opened tabs was taking about 5GB of RAM, now using snap package with the same tabs, it's using about 600MB; how come?
[10:11] <ice9> Linux/Firefox*
[10:18] <nteodosio> Depending on what one of the pages is doing you could be observing "non-deterministic" behavior, ice9.
[10:18] <nteodosio> For a more down to earth reason, the page could do different things if it were denied access to a given file (which is common in snap).
[10:18] <nteodosio> There is a performance inspector in Firefox so you can have an idea of what each page is doing, that would be your first hint.
[11:59] <synapt> Okay so finally got ubuntu to load the installer/'livecd' with a combination of nomodeset, noapci and acpi=off, however every attempt to install results in a fatal error when it gets to the grub installation, says it can't install to /dev/sda1
[12:00] <synapt> if I recall correctly that was like an old ass USB-booted bug wasn't it?  That's seriously still around with ubuntu 22???
[12:13] <tomreyn> synapt: which hardware is this? you can also check the bios version during the power-on self-test (POST) , the first things printed on screen (but you may need to press escape to disable the full screen vendor logo and get to see it, or disable the "full screen logo" option in the bios settings)
[12:15] <synapt> tomaw: BIOS was fine, also even tried a legacy mode to see if it was a UEFI oddity, still nothing.  Grub exists, but isn't installed/setup, so the system just boots up to the plain grub console after the install
[12:17] <tomreyn> so if you can get the live iso to to a tty, you can chroot the installed system and configure grub
[12:20] <tomreyn> kernel command line: systemd.target=multi-user
[12:21] <tomreyn> !verboselog
[12:21] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[12:29] <www2> Hi is there some bugs with nautilus and loading external hardisks(i use ntfs)?
[12:29] <www2> ubuntu version is 23.10
[12:39] <tomreyn> www2: you could look at the bugs filed against nautilus since the 23.10 release. These are the recent bug reports filed (latest on top): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/?orderby=-id
[12:43] <synapt> tomreyn: It's not happening during console it's happening during the GUI install, I'll have to look at the USB drive and see if by chance it logged the last install process on it by chance though
[12:55] <tomreyn> synapt: grub installation is the last step of the installation, though (other than cleaning up), i think. so if you got to the grub installation and just that failed then a chroot repair of the otherwise complete installation should be possible.
[13:01] <denysonique>  sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys ABF5BD827BD9BF62
[13:01] <denysonique> this stores the key in the old keyring, how do I modify the command so it saves in the new keyring?
[13:01] <www2> tomreyn i have made a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/2041155
[13:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2041155 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Nautiulus not open a NTFS drive from usb" [Undecided, New]
[13:02] <denysonique> W: https://nginx.org/packages/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.
[13:02] <denysonique> is the error
[13:04] <tomreyn> denysonique: it's a warning. the warning refers to the "apt-key" man page, section 8. run "man 8 apt-key" to read it, and look for the explanation about its deprecation.
[13:05] <denysonique>            "Note: Instead of using this command a keyring should be placed directly in the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory
[13:05] <denysonique>            with a descriptive name and either "gpg" or "asc" as file extension."
[13:06] <jStefan> i've encountered that before, but it has been a while. All I can remember is that now there's a directory /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ and your keys are supposed to go there
[13:07] <jStefan> see if this helps: https://itsfoss.com/apt-key-deprecated/
[13:07] <denysonique> what do I replace "sudo apt-key  add --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys ABF5BD827BD9BF62 "
[13:07] <denysonique> with?
[13:09] <denysonique> how do I obtain the key from the keyserver?
[13:09] <denysonique> can apt-key do this?
[13:09] <jStefan> the doc i linked is going to explain it better than I can
[13:10] <tomreyn> you can use gpg, then export it to an ascii armored files. but 'apt-key adv --recv-key' has been discouraged for much longer than the key deprecation
[13:10] <denysonique> well, I know how to rtfm, but I thoguht someone here could save me some time
[13:10] <denysonique> jStefan: ^
[13:10] <jStefan> it's that I really don't remember, it's been a while
[13:11] <jStefan> and glimpsing over the document, there's different commands if you are adding from scratch, trying to fix an existing key, and even a solution #2 which is what they sugguest
[13:11] <jStefan> suggest*
[13:14] <jclsn> How to create a systemd unit in this Cubic installer?
[13:14] <jclsn> or image creator
[13:14] <jclsn> the chroot doesn't run systemd
[13:14] <tomreyn> this should work: gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring WISELY-CHOSEN-FILENAME.gpg --keyserver hpks://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys ABF5BD827BD9BF62 && cat WISELY-CHOSEN-FILENAME.gpg | sudo tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/WISELY-CHOSEN-FILENAME.gpg
[13:15] <tomreyn> denysonique: ^
[13:15] <tomreyn> denysonique: you'd also want to    rm WISELY-CHOSEN-FILENAME.gpg   in the end
[13:17] <jStefan> going over the document, I have used both solutions in the past, but settled on the 2nd one
[13:18] <synapt> tomreyn: It is the final step as far as I can tell yes, just would be nice if it gave more details than "Can't do this, this is a fatal" lol
[13:19] <jStefan> the key should be in the apt sources, something like: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/key-file.gpg] URL_of_the_repo ...
[13:19] <tomreyn> synapt: still better than a "stop code". ;-) plus you got support here.
[13:19] <jStefan> and to download the key, they have this example: curl -sS https://download.spotify.com/debian/pubkey_5E3C45D7B312C643.gpg | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/spotify.gpg
[13:20] <jStefan> that way the key is not in the whole system, but only tied to the specific repo you need it on
[13:20] <jStefan> easier to undo as well
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:22] <tomreyn> jStefan: this would only work when a gpg key can be retrieved via http. which this very key can be, from https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x573bfd6b3d8fbc641079a6ababf5bd827bd9bf62 , however, denysonique was looking for a direct replacement for apt-key --recv
[13:24] <jStefan> tomreyn, I guess the path can be changed on your solution, if the person wants to add the key to the sources list
[13:25] <tomreyn> sure, but why would you want to use a different path than the default?
[13:26] <jStefan> tomreyn, what I understood from it was that /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ is for system-wide keys, and adding to the sources just adds the key to that specific repo.
[13:26] <tomreyn> apt configurations *are* system-wide
[13:27] <jStefan> the author didn't go over details of why solution #1 is not the "proper way"
[13:28] <tomreyn> it's usually better to refer to man pages than secondary documentations, if those are sufficient (i'd say they are here).
[13:30] <jStefan> well, in that case, the man page does have a "Recommended" note
[13:36] <tomreyn> good point.
[13:37] <tomreyn> denysonique: so, for a simpler "apt-key --recv-key" replacement (not involving gpg), you could use, in this case: curl -s 'https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x573bfd6b3d8fbc641079a6ababf5bd827bd9bf62' | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/WISELY-CHOSEN-FILENAME.asc
[13:41] <tomreyn> www2: what does   sudo file -s /dev/sda1    report? run it in a terminal emulator.
[13:41] <tomreyn> (this is probably not a bug)
[13:42] <tomreyn> jclsn: this tool is not supported here, please use the support options provided by its developers
[13:44] <www2> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/fRC0YHj6
[13:48] <tomreyn> www2: hmm, yes, this looks like an ntfs file system. maybe you have /dev/sda1 in your /etc/fstab with a different file system?
[13:51] <tomreyn> what happens when you    sudo mount --verbose --types ntfs3 /dev/sda1 /mnt; sudo umount /dev/sda1   # ?
[13:52] <www2> I am 100% sure ther is no /dev/sda1 is in my fstab due to u use M.2 (PCIe) SSD
[13:52] <www2> mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[13:52] <www2>        dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call.
[13:52] <www2> umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted.
[13:52] <tomreyn> !paste
[13:53] <www2> https://dpaste.com/6SNBRJEG3
[13:54] <tomreyn> actually i think this is a bug now, i remember someone else havig similar issues with usermount'ing (gio mount / udisks2) an ntfs file system after introduction of in-kernel ntfs support.
[13:56] <www2> and this is when i use ntfs-3g https://dpaste.com/7U57AHGEC
[13:56] <tomreyn> this is bug 2039964
[13:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2039964 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "Internal hard disk partition cannot be mounted manually" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039964
[13:58] <tomreyn> actually bug 1969632
[13:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1969632 in udisks2 (Ubuntu) "demote ntfs-3g" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1969632
[13:59] <tomreyn> well, this describes the underlying mechanics, if mostly form the instalelrs' perspective
[14:00] <www2> Btw now its working
[14:00] <tomreyn> www2: what made it work?
[14:01] <www2> edit i klick to my nextcloud drive <i bang the head to the wall
[14:02] <tomreyn> so you're saying you tried to mount a file system which is not ntfs?
[14:03] <tomreyn> i'm not sure i understand
[14:03] <www2> i try to open my ntfs drive but click on my owncloud drive
[14:07] <tomreyn> https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/issues/1190 is the upstream issue i was looking for
[14:07] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1190 in storaged-project/udisks "Error mounting NTFS drives through Dolphin and ntfs-3g since the latest update" [Open]
[14:09] <tomreyn> apparently, usually when you get this error message and really tried to mount an ntfs file system, it's due to an unclean file system state (need to run chkdsk.exe on windows), but this message is not exposed to the GUI. you should check   journalctl -eb    for such messages
[14:10] <tomreyn> www2: if your bug report was filed in error, please update it to state so - thanks!
[14:12] <www2> thanks
[14:18] <www2> I think this is a kernal bug
[14:21] <www2> *kernel
[14:21] <www2> this is due to ntfs-3g work as normal but the kernel driver get a error
[14:24] <www2> btw i am back in 1.5 hours
[14:27] <tomreyn> so you can't mount it with    mount --types ntfs3 /dev/sda1 /mnt    after running chkdsk.exe /f against it?
[14:27] <jStefan> tomreyn, how much of an issue is cross-signing in apt?
[14:27] <tomreyn> jStefan: i do not know what that is
[14:27] <ruser> Hello, I'm having an issue with SSH key authentication. I've added the pub key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  with correct permissions. It looks like KEX succeds according to the logs on the sshd, but it still drops to the passwd authentication.  And I can't understand why. This is the log file on SSHD  with debug output enabled https://bpa.st/OG3Q
[14:28] <jStefan> eg: the GPG key of repository A can be used for packages from repo B   (when using /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/)
[14:29] <oerheks> jStefan, no such thing, AFAIK
[14:29] <explodes> Why is ubuntu's backup system seemingly trying to unmount one of my drives?
[14:30] <explodes> Its in /etc/fstab to be mounted all the time
[14:31] <tomreyn> jStefan: as you pointed out previously, /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ is only meant to be used by packaged keyrings, such as those provided by ubuntu and used for signing packages in the official ubuntu archives. i would recommend placing 3rd party keys outside of this directory, and using signedby= for their apt repository configurations
[14:32] <jStefan> ok
[14:32] <tomreyn> explodes: what is the "ubuntu backup system" you're referring to?
[14:34] <jStefan> ruser, did you try verbose on the client too?
[14:34] <tomreyn> explodes: maybe you're referring to "Déjà Dup" / duplicity?
[14:36] <ruser> jStefan: I'm not sure how to parse this in my brain. I specify key which it does find correctly. and then towards the end the followign happens https://bpa.st/JBUQ
[14:36] <tomreyn> explodes: this? https://snapcraft.io/deja-dup
[14:37] <jStefan> ruser it seems publickey is not a preferred auth for that client? I've never seen that before
[14:38] <explodes> Yes! duplicity, thanks, I forgot the name
[14:39] <ruser> jStefan: Client is Ubuntu under WSL
[14:39] <explodes> *Deja Dup. (That's the same as duplicity, right?)
[14:39] <explodes> Appears not to be. It is Deja Dup, though
[14:39] <jStefan> ruser, i wonder if line 6 is the cause
[14:41] <ruser> jStefan: i'm not even sure where to check that.  i guess   ~/.ssh/config?  or more generic defaults for the system in ubuntu?   You wouldn't happen to know where is the skeleton ssh config stored?
[14:43] <jStefan> ruser, on the client, do you see any lines reading: Will attempt key ?
[14:43] <ruser> jStefan:  debug1: Will attempt key:  <snip> explicit
[14:44] <ruser> jStefan: i specify the identity with -i
[14:47] <jStefan> ruser, this is my equivalent line: debug3: preferred gssapi-with-mic,publickey,keyboard-interactive,password
[14:47] <ruser> jStefan: thanks i'll dig in this direction.  Is there anything relevant that you have in ~/.ssh/config ?
[14:48] <tomreyn> ruser: are you authenticating as the correct remote user?
[14:48] <jStefan> ruser, don't have one, i just have the known_host files
[14:48] <ruser> tomreyn: yes, sshd running in debug manual start, i can see the attempt
[14:49] <ruser> and matching output in both client and server
[14:49] <jStefan> this 22.04 LTS on WSL 1
[14:49] <denysonique> tomreyn, jStefan: Thank you for your insights
[14:49] <denysonique> and help
[14:49] <ruser> jStefan:  your client?
[14:49] <tomreyn> you're welcome, denysonique
[14:50] <jStefan> using ssh -vvv
[14:51] <tomreyn> explodes: i do not know why duplicity would unmount your backup storage device. it probably keeps logs somewhere in /var/log or in the systemd-journal (use "journalctl" to view those logs).
[14:51] <ruser> jStefan: sorry, you were saying  this is 22.04 on WSL1 .      Is the client you are using under the wsl terminal? or you are ssh'ing into the WSL?
[14:51] <jStefan> note that i don't have my ssh keys in my WSL, i'm just using it to compare debug output. Consider it an out of the box ubuntu install.
[14:51] <ruser> what is in your  /etc/ssh/ssh_config ?
[14:51] <ruser> @ jStefan
[14:52] <jStefan> i'm using ssh on my wsl 1 to connect to an ubuntu server on real hardware
[14:52] <jStefan> for comparing the output to your client
[14:52] <oerheks> the password option is set serverside.
[14:53] <ruser> jStefan: gotcha
[14:53] <denysonique> # ua security-status --esm-apps
[14:53] <denysonique> Installed packages with an available esm-apps update:
[14:53] <denysonique> iperf3 libiperf0
[14:53] <denysonique> However on that system:
[14:53] <denysonique> # apt-cache policy iperf3
[14:53] <denysonique> iperf3:
[14:53] <denysonique>   Installed: 3.9-1+deb11u1build0.22.04.1
[14:53] <jStefan> and what i've noted so far, is your client is not listing publickey as a preferred auth method
[14:53] <ruser> jStefan: is there any chance i could see your cat /etc/ssh/ssh_config on the client?
[14:53] <tomreyn> denysonique: you just got muted for pasting to the channel, please don't do this. you will be unmuted in a minute.
[14:53] <jStefan> denysonique, using a paste website (see topic) for anything more than 2 lines
[14:54] <jStefan> use a*
[14:54] <tomreyn> !paste | denysonique
[14:54] <ruser> jStefan: cat /etc/ssh/ssh_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <jStefan> ruser: https://termbin.com/qwkd
[14:55] <jStefan> should be pretty much as it comes out of the box
[14:55] <ruser> jStefan:  same
[14:55] <ruser> :/
[14:56] <jStefan> no files in /etc/ssh/ssh_config.d/ either
[14:56] <ruser> correct
[14:56] <ruser> was just checking that
[14:56] <denysonique> https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/ohofuqemox -- This is the latest patched iperf3. Could `ua` be lying? If not where can I see the "extra" version provided by esm? (this is all on a jammy install)
[14:56] <ruser> OMFG
[14:56] <ruser> I think I found it!
[14:56] <jStefan> what was it?
[14:57] <ruser> jStefan: let's check this:   cat ~/.ssh/config|grep key
[14:58] <denysonique> jStefan, tomreyn, yeah, sorry I forgot that IRC does not support CR/LF messages
[14:58] <jStefan> ruser, i don't have config file for my user
[14:59] <ruser> okay, that was dumb, i have no idea how i didn't see this before. I am pretty sure i looked
[14:59] <jStefan> what did you find?
[14:59] <ruser> so, somehow there is a  client config present on my sytem ~/.ssh/config  where  the following was set:   PubkeyAuthentication no
[14:59] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iperf3 seems like latest version
[15:00] <jStefan> ruser, yes that surely would not help
[15:00] <ruser> I should have checked when it was last modified before I changed it to yes... ugh
[15:00] <jStefan> or comment out the line if you don't need to deviate from the default
[15:01] <ruser> this is a little concerning that the config is present
[15:01] <tomreyn> denysonique: the "apt-cache policy iperf3" output you posted is incomplete
[15:02] <jStefan> denysonique, tomreyn: I believe it was cut by the quiet
[15:02] <tomreyn> jStefan: i'm referring to https://hastebin.skyra.pw/raw/ohofuqemox
[15:02] <denysonique> jStefan, tomreyn: here you are: https://hastebin.skyra.pw/erinixafox.bash
[15:03] <ruser> Is  gssapi-with-mic  supposed to be enabled?
[15:03] <denysonique> (on that machine esm is not enabled btw)
[15:03] <denysonique> But I don't believe there is a newer version of iperf3 in the esm repos
[15:03] <denysonique> anyway
[15:03] <tomreyn> denysonique: s/newer/more patched/
[15:03] <jStefan> ruser it was listed in my debug output, idk what it's supposed to do
[15:04] <denysonique> tomreyn: or more patched, you are right
[15:04] <tomreyn> denysonique: what makes you believe that esm-apps does not have a different version?
[15:05] <oerheks> iperf3 with esm on Jammy https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2n9hH5SBv/
[15:06] <ruser> leftyfb: tomreyn: jStefan: and anyone I missed, thank you for your help!
[15:06] <jStefan> yw
[15:06] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:06] <ruser> Now I can check my dropbear setup
[15:07] <jStefan> I'm not sure if esm patches can be browsed without having the service
[15:07] <tomreyn> denysonique: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6431-3
[15:09] <oerheks> jStefan, i am sure you cannot.
[15:09] <oerheks> and it is free, for you
[15:11] <denysonique> Where is the CVE of it? And how is it different from USN-6431-2?
[15:12] <ruser> Where can I redup on  paid vs non paid patches thing... this is concerning.
[15:12] <denysonique> actually, I missed that there is an attachment which seems to explain something...
[15:12] <toddc> !pro
[15:14] <ruser> toddc:  thnx
[15:20] <tomreyn> denysonique: no CVE ID seems to have been assigned to this bug, yet.
[15:28] <jclsn> tomreyn: I guess I could create my own image myself without this tool. Is there an official Ubuntu guide for it?
[15:29] <jclsn> Ah well I guess: unpack iso -> chroot into rootfs -> make changes -> pack to iso again
[15:36] <zzero1> my dvd and cd drive lens have a lot of dust. Haven't been used for some time. Can I force spin reading from the drive from terminal? When I try to mount I get No medium found
[15:37] <zzero1> The drives are recognized
[15:37] <zzero1> I dried boot from cd using plop and says the same no medium on the drive
[15:37] <oerheks> zzero1, unlikely a spinn removes fat and debris. do not wipe the lens, as it gets damaged.
[15:38] <zzero1> given that the lens is inside the drive...
[15:38] <zzero1> wondering how to proceed
[15:38] <oerheks> yes, some try with an eartip..
[15:38] <oerheks> replace drive, or try with alcohol
[15:39] <happymeal`> sometimes i have to smack mine to get it to open :P
[15:39] <zzero1> well that would mean removing the drive from the chassis. Right?
[15:40] <zzero1> there is also the fact that I do yoga when I need to press the eject button given the towers location
[15:44] <zzero1> taking it apart is not exactly an option given it's location. I don't  have any pressurized air can to blow inside either
[15:44] <oerheks> join #hardware for other solutions?
[15:45] <zzero1> not bad idea. Thanks oerheks!
[15:49] <zzero1> aah! let there be light. I just got one of the two to read and boot from a cd
[15:54] <jStefan> I slowly shied away from optical drives, until I realized I just don't use them anymore
[15:54] <zzero1> well I need to read some patient results from a hospital
[15:54] <jStefan> But last time I had to clean dust from a drive, I used a camera lens cleaning kit
[15:56] <zzero1> Thanks for the suggestion. Although the place of the pc makes the endeavor a little tricky!
[15:56] <jStefan> the last drives I used were also USB based optical drives, which in a worst case were easy to replace.
[15:57] <zzero1> they are not a bad idea
[15:59] <jStefan> going back to the initial question, the disc type is encoded near the center of the disk. It needs to spin to detect the media type. IF it's not spinning at all, it may be a problem with the drive
[16:02] <zzero1> I used a live cd and got it to boot from it
[16:02] <zzero1> I now rebooted into ubuntu but still no medium found
[16:06] <jStefan> live cd of which version? and on what size media?
[16:06] <zzero1> it was something like hirens boot with live winxp
[16:06] <zzero1> I have two drives
[16:07] <zzero1> one cdrw and one blue ray
[16:11] <dviola> hi, I have a ubuntu 23.04 install that I'd like to update to .10, is there a date in which the update is planned to roll over or should I upgrade to the development version?
[16:12] <leftyfb> dviola: there is no date set
[16:13] <leftyfb> only "soon"
[16:14] <denysonique> dviola: afaik the update notification kicks in around 2 months after the release
[16:15] <dviola> I see, thanks
[16:15] <oerheks> i noticed this package is held back, for testers https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/distro-info-data
[16:16] <denysonique> dviola, also it never just rolls-over, you will have to do a dist-upgrade or click the option through the menu
[16:18] <dviola> denysonique: right
[16:18] <dviola> I was referring for the notification (to appear)
[16:20] <maciek> Hi! What's the proper way to sshfs mount a NAS that's running in the local network on another laptop? I tried to mount it through fstab, but then I got issues to use the filesystem (even a single ls could take minutes).
[16:21] <CosmicDJ> maciek: is there a reason for sshfs instead of NFS/SMB?
[16:22] <maciek> Thanks! I tried NFS but it was really slow, and then I read about SMB and get an idea that it's for use with Windows.
[16:22] <denysonique> maciek: if you are using GNOME you can simply use sshfs://user@hostname in the url bar of the file manager, Nautilus and then bookmark it
[16:22] <zzero1> I will go to a copy center to have it read. No atime
[16:23] <maciek> @denysonique: I'm using KDE, but the grand goal is to schedule periodic backups with cron.
[16:24] <denysonique> maciek: In your case I suggest for backups rsync would be a better solution
[16:24] <maciek> (hence, I need an automated access rather than the manual access via file manager)
[16:24] <denysonique> rsync or rsnapshot
[16:24] <denysonique> rsync works over ssh and does not need any mounting
[16:24] <denysonique> rsync only syncs the differences as well
[16:25] <maciek> Very good that you said that rsync works over ssh. This solves my issue, thanks!
[16:26] <Alesha> http://explorer.net.ru:8080/temp/tcs.asm.txt
[16:29] <leftyfb> !op | Alesha
[16:29] <Alesha> it is Ubuntu Server
[16:29] <oerheks> not sure anyone would click http://explorer.net.ru:8080
[16:30] <leftyfb> Alesha: this is a support channel
[16:30] <Alesha> ok
[16:30] <Alesha> I leave
[16:31] <leftyfb> they posted a similar thing in here back in July and got banned for it
[16:31] <leftyfb> I would not recommend anyone click on that link
[16:33] <oerheks> +1
[16:33] <genii> hm
[16:34] <maciek> How to setup port forwarding over ssh that is enabled on boot? Currently in the .ssh/config I use "LocalForward", but the ports are not forwarded until I manually type ssh to the host.
[16:36] <leftyfb> maciek: use something like autossh and a systemd service and timer as the user you want to run it as
[16:36] <juan> maciek: one of the way you can do that is setting up autossh and a systemd service that is started when you log in
[16:38] <leftyfb> maciek: depending on your needs, you might also look at sshuttle
[16:41] <maciek> Thanks for the hints. The use case is that I'm running a llama text generation server on the local network, which some of my programs on the workstation use as an API. I chose to use ssh port forwarding to get encryption..
[17:43] <alkisg> Hi, how can I disable the yaml backend that netplan uses for network-manager? I.e. to revert to using /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections instead of /etc/netplan/90-NM* connections
[17:45] <CrtxReavr> Is there an apt flag so that is does have a "stable CLI interface?"
[17:48] <leftyfb> alkisg: why?
[17:49] <alkisg> leftyfb: I don't want to learn netplan as it's not supported in all the other distributions
[17:49] <leftyfb> CrtxReavr: apt is meant to be an easier to use wrapper for apt-get/dpkg. It's not meant for use in scripting. Hence the message
[17:50] <leftyfb> alkisg: plenty of other distro's support netplan
[17:50] <oerheks> Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, Debian and Arch do
[17:50] <alkisg> leftyfb: ok, do you know the answer?
[17:51] <leftyfb> alkisg: either way, I don't know of a way to revert the old way
[17:51] <leftyfb> netplan is not hard
[17:51] <alkisg> OK, thank you, I'll wait for others
[18:01] <Guest41> hello
[18:02] <Guest41> is there someone from Spain, who uses amazon.es ? I have a $25 voucher that I'm unable to use and want to give it away for free
[18:03] <leftyfb> !ot | Guest41
[18:04] <Guest41> well you can buy some ubuntu related book with it
[18:04] <leftyfb> Guest41: this is a support channel
[18:15] <ioria2> alkisg, you can try with ifupdown (you'll still need to remove netplan and its config files probably)
[18:20] <alkisg> ioria2: for wifi connections etc netplan uses network-manager; it's also default for desktop; it's great. I just want the old-style connection settings that I'm already using everywhere, I don't want to migrate to a new scheme
[18:22] <alkisg> I found out that if I do put my old files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, netplan doesn't migrate them... it's not ideal but it's OK-ish for now...
[18:23] <ioria2> ok
[18:27] <alkisg> Ouch no it migrates them upon modification :/
[19:44] <fweht> any idea why i have firefox twice in this open-with dialogue? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XrkG62Wa/image.png
[19:46] <fweht> in `/usr/share/applications` there is only one entry for firefox and in `~/.local/share/applications` there is none
[19:51] <Eickmeyer> fweht: Is your Ubuntu install an upgrade from a previous install?
[19:51] <fweht> Eickmeyer: not that i know of
[19:51] <fweht> i installed 23.10 beta
[19:51] <fweht> maybe it updated from beta to gamma or whatever whithout my knowledge?
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> fweht: It updates from beta to final automatically (no such thing as gamma 😂)
[19:52] <fweht> ah ok that could be the reason?
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> Nah, that's not the reason.
[19:52] <oerheks> i see double firefox entry too, snap version, though i cannot find if those are different
[19:52] <oerheks> in 22.04
[19:53] <fweht> yes i think its snap since i barely installed any software yet except for vscode and fish
[19:53] <fweht> and i think its snap by default
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> So, this can happen if you have both the .deb firefox installed, which also installs the snap, but keeps the legacy /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop installed. Snaps install their .desktop file to a different path for the .desktop files.
[19:54] <oerheks> oh, snap list firefox --all   # gave a clue, 2 versions?
[19:55] <oerheks> so the -disabled one show up?
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: If you ever installed it manually, maybe.
[19:55] <oerheks> No, standard with install
[19:55] <oerheks> i see firefox  118.0.1-1  firefox  118.0.2-2
[19:56] <oerheks> 1-1 is disabled, i think that is the culprit
[20:06] <fweht> Eickmeyer: thanks, will check for a .deb file!
[20:09] <oerheks> apt-cache policy firefox
[20:09] <fweht> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iDwfyfVP/
[20:10] <fweht> chatgpt suggested this
[20:11] <oerheks> the 1st entry points to an apt dummy package, that refers to the snap version
[20:11] <fweht> ok so thats not the reason for the double entry?
[20:12] <fweht> where do i have newer versions of the software?, in apt or in snap?
[20:12] <oerheks>  snap list firefox --all
[20:12] <oerheks> you have solely snap.
[20:13] <fweht> only one entry
[20:14] <fweht> 118 but i want 119
[20:15] <oerheks> snap refresh, as it should give 119 now
[20:15] <oerheks> just pulling in myself
[20:15] <fweht> all snaps up to date
[20:15] <fweht> weird
[20:15] <oerheks> edge gives 121 https://snapcraft.io/firefox
[20:16] <fweht> ah cool!
[20:26] <Guest89> Hey People .. I was wondering if someone of you could help me out with a guide or some sources that I could look at .. I have a 1tb nvme drive on a quite new lenovo l15 laptop. I would like to have two Ubuntu Installations on it and both installations need to be encrypted ..
[20:32] <tomreyn> Guest89: that should be possible, although they may fight about the boot manager
[20:33] <tomreyn> maybe a better option is to install ubuntu once then then have one or more lxc containers on it with additional installations. what's your use case for the two installations?
[20:34] <Guest89> tomreyn I was hoping, i could just change the "ubunut" String in the grub config, so that it is obvious which one to choose ..
[20:34] <Guest89> tomreyn I need one installation for private stuff and the other one for work related stuff ..
[20:35] <Guest89> tomreyn ~~ubunut~~ **ubuntu** .. like ub1 and ub2
[20:35] <leftyfb> Guest89: why not just use a container for work?
[20:36] <Guest89> leftyfb well I really want to then be more independent I really want to boot just the Work Installation for work stuff and the private installation for private stuff ..
[20:37] <leftyfb> right, you can boot or shut down the work lxd container
[20:38] <Guest89> I rather just want two luks containers .. not one  hanging in another one ..
[20:38] <tomreyn> Guest89: you can name the grub menu entries differently, sure. still, both installations will need to maintain the grub configuration somehow, so the latest kernel version will be loaded.
[20:39] <tomreyn> you can have two grub bootloader installations on the efi system partition, loading different grub configuration files from different partitions, each containing a /boot file system
[20:40] <Guest89> tomreyn yeah .. that was kind of my idea ..
[20:40] <tomreyn> but you still need to make sure to name those grub installations on the ESP differently then
[20:40] <tomreyn> you don't need encrypted /boot, or do you?
[20:41] <Guest89> encrypted /boot not really .. `/` is fine ..
[20:41] <nathang> how use lunbuntu
[20:41] <nathang> i no understand
[20:42] <tomreyn> nathang: what's not working as expected?
[20:42] <tomreyn> what did you try to do, what didn't work? what happened instead?
[20:45] <tomreyn> Guest89: so i'd install using ubuntu server (because there you can combine manual partitioning and encryption, i don't think the desktop installer can), then rename the "ubuntu" directory on the ESP, then update efibootmgr, then install another time, to a different partition.
[20:48] <Guest89> Thats an interesting approach ..
[20:48] <Guest89> tomreyn thats an interesting approach ..
[20:48] <tomreyn> good. i like interesting things.
[20:50] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn with the big brain idea. 🧠
[20:54] <tomreyn> :-P
[21:09] <Guest88> Where do I find information on how to hack on a piece of software that I also have installed via APT? I don't want the two to conflict
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> Guest88: We don't support anything from outside of the repositories, so if you installed something from outside the repositories, you're pretty much on your own.
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> You'd have to ask the developer of that software.
[21:17] <Guest88> Ah. So this is different for every software package? I would have thought it was the same for every package in Ubuntu. I imagined "to hack on firefox while having firefox installed, do X to avoid conflicts"
[21:21] <arraybolt3> Perhaps make a new user account, build and work on software there? It won't necessarily guarantee total isolation, but it should be good enough for most stuff. A virtual machine may also help.
[21:22] <arraybolt3> Guest88: ^
[21:24] <Guest88> arraybolt3: Was hoping to avoid that. Maybe asking a packager should be my next step
[21:25] <arraybolt3> As a packager myself, we oftentimes use VMs.
[21:26] <zero> what is this ESM thing? premium security updates?
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> !pro | zero, best answered here
[22:52] <youraveragenerdy> hello
[23:04] <GrandPa-G> I need to pass an argument from udev rule to a service. I see you must initiate the service like foo@param.service, but that doesn't seem to work. How do I pass the argument?
[23:09] <GrandPa-G> The rule ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", TAG+="systemd", ENV{SYSTEMD_WANTS}="usb-stick@$env{ID_FS_UUID}.service"
[23:53] <_jak> hey y'all! My group has some lab machines that're running 20.04LTS and use zsys, which is deprecated. I couldn't find out from the docs whether I can just `do-release-upgrade` on these boxes and have it just work
[23:55] <_jak> Mostly I'm wondering if my plan if you can't do that makes sense, which is: mount the bpool somewhere other than /boot, copy all that data to /boot on rpool, delete the bpool, then dl the latest EFI image in there somewhere and use zfsbootmenu
[23:55] <_jak> does that make sense?
[23:59] <toddc> _jak: I prefrer to do clean installs if at all possible as not everthing can be upgraded to current standads but yes you can do a do-release-upgrade but at that point support support and success may be limited but it should work