[00:11] Garfield's Foursome with Nermal, Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza [00:11] Garfield, Nermal, Edna Skilton, and Jean Pierre Manikariza have an orgy over lasagna! [00:11] https://justpaste.it/Garfield-Foursome-Nermal-Skilton === mossberg1 is now known as mossberg [01:26] hola === vampidj is now known as amdj [01:44] no u in ubuntu? [02:02] hello [02:03] hello anyidea [02:04] no lot of people here, means ubuntu has very gew issues haha [02:04] there's currently 1054 people on the channel but it's not very active. [02:04] but it can get pretty active [02:07] ohhh lol i only see 4 users [02:07] loool [02:07] what network are you on? i am on Libera [02:07] !chat | anyidea [02:07] anyidea: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [02:08] lol, a mistake [02:08] 4 users, then ----------------- user .... [02:08] and then, hidden in list, hundred of users more [02:08] xd [02:11] have someone try a CWUWI corebook pc? is it unix ready? ubuntu capable? [02:12] what about intel iris plus graphic card in Ubuntu? [02:12] did someone has positive experience with that? [02:13] CHUWI* pc and notebooks brands [02:13] i haven't even ever heard of the brand, but someone else may have [02:13] I'll share specs [02:14] you could ask on #linux too, there will probably be someone there who has heard of it [02:14] ok sir [02:15] yesterday my pc exploded :-( [02:15] exploded for real or did it just go out? [02:16] real [02:16] oh dude [02:17] !chat | anyidea [02:17] anyidea: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [02:18] before exploding i get some software bugs [02:18] sad [02:19] i hope you had everything from your hard drive or SSD backed up [02:19] using apt to install a regular software .... suddenly i don't know why it started to remove 600Mb of core programs ..... [02:20] you may have had a virus or malware [02:20] anyidea: define "regular software" [02:20] cosmicwonder: unlikely [02:20] ... ubuntu studio suddenly get converted to a regular ubuntu login screen, with virtual keyboard on screen, not possible to login again .. [02:20] then, batt explodes [02:20] y'know, it's possible [02:20] sounds like malware [02:21] even after you entered your password did it not let you login? [02:21] sounds like a cooling/battery issue [02:21] yep [02:21] yeah but the core program removal, i dunno... [02:21] dbus powerd malware [02:21] anyidea: do you still have this OS running and need to troubleshoot it? [02:22] i bought a new pc [02:22] fuck to the risky of malware ssd [02:22] anyidea: ok, then there's no point in speculating. Let us know if you need help with your current ubuntu install. If you would just like to chat, feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic to chat [02:22] i don't want to repair nothing. [02:22] !language | anyidea [02:22] anyidea: Please avoid any language that may be considered offensive, including acronyms and obfuscation of such - also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines || The main channels are English only, for other languages, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [02:23] oh ok offtopic, thanks [02:24] Does ubuntu installer support raid at time of install ? [02:24] Beladona: the server installer does [02:25] I haven't tried the new 23.10 installer so I don't know about that [02:25] desktop^ [02:25] yea, server does support raid, although i don't think it's Intel raid [02:26] if by "Intel raid" you mean the Intel Rapid Storage stuff, that's complete garbage and not real raid and not really supported in linux [02:27] leftyfb: can you show me a screenshot or where / how can I confirm? [02:27] leftyfb: whats the wizard / screen name? [02:28] Beladona: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/storage [02:30] isn't the ubuntu RAID like some crappy software raid though? [02:30] or it used to be? [02:31] ubuntu is software. so what else do you expect? 3D print you a raid controller? [02:31] No [02:31] cosmicwonder: it's either hardware RAID (which has nothing to do with the OS), software RAID, or fake raid (Intel Rapid Storage Technology/garbage) [02:31] ok whatever === maxtim1 is now known as maxtim === joe is now known as Guest5130 === deepSleep is now known as Guest3498 === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [03:03] hello [03:03] Hm. I haven't had any data loss with either mdraid nor ZFS *so far*. And yes, Intel's "solution" seems to be complete garbage. [03:03] blackdrag0n: 'lo [03:04] Kadigan: 'cause you keep backups [03:04] hi i have a most perplexing issue with the network on my new system [03:04] matsaman: that's beside the point. I have had no need to use them. [03:04] no need to use backups, I love it =P [03:05] any nix network engineers in here that would care to hear me out on this issue? [03:05] True, true. :) But what I mean is: so far, I've found software RAID solutions (not yours, Intel) to be perfectly reliable on small arrays. [03:05] blackdrag0n: don't ask to ask [03:06] half the time everyone is afk im not asking to ask im just seeing if anyone is around to talk to [03:07] Well, for me, I wouldn't consider myself a network engineer, much less a nix one, but I might know the solution. Or not. It really depends on the question. [03:07] its a wired connection i created three installs back that somehow persists beyond drive wiping [03:07] every time i restart it wants me to reauth the wifi connection [03:08] when i try to remove it i get error deactivating [03:08] if i logon as root and attempt to remove it still persists [03:09] I'm confused. You said "wired", but you're talking about WiFi. Can you explain how these fit together? [03:09] only weird thing is when i install linux mint it doesn't show up only when i install kubuntu [03:09] leftyfb: thanks [03:09] for some reason it won't auto connect [03:09] for the wifi [03:10] if i secure erase the M.2 drives in the BIOS how is this custom connection still persisting across installs [03:11] Let me see if I understand this: if you wipe the disk, reinstall the OS from scratch - it will attempt to reauth with a WiFi AP it was not told to connect to? [03:11] (at least not in this particular instance of the OS install) [03:12] no its selected to auto connect and i put in the passphrase only it will not use it. [03:12] makes me manually put in the passphrase every restart [03:12] Is it possible to connect to it, if you input the password directly? [03:13] there's only 2 physical ports yet the third custom keeps persisting as well [03:13] yes it connects no problem [03:14] I'm confused again. We're discussing a WiFi connection, but talking about some sort of physical ports? Can you please elaborate? [03:14] mint doesn't do this [03:14] i took a screenshot of the network manager if you like [03:14] Please. [03:15] As for the WiFi, is it possible that you have some "interesting" characters in the password, that work when inputted directly - but might fail being saved for re-use? [03:15] no i keep it simple yet robust [03:15] its been a while for me on irc how can i send the screenshot to the channel [03:16] You have to upload it to some service, and post the link. [03:16] Is it possible that the BIOS/UEFI itself is keeping this somewhere? I mean, if it persists - it has to be kept *somewhere*, and persistent store came around with secure boot IIRC. [03:17] that was my take as well like what is holding the network memory across installs [03:17] The reason for Ubuntu doing this but no other flavour, might be down to Ubuntu having this implemented, or simply it using Ubuntu keys. [03:17] mint doesn't do it though or doesn't show it [03:18] only kubuntu [03:18] is there an onboard memory to the NIC? [03:18] Not like that, unless I'm wildly out of touch. [03:18] My bet would be to see if there's anything in the boot log hinting at retrieving info from BIOS/UEFI persistent store, perhaps. [03:19] that sounds feasible [03:19] Though I couldn't tell you what to look for exactly. [03:19] threr's two hardware ports on this MB so thats all there should be only I find three [03:20] What ports are you seeing? [03:20] Can you list them for me? [03:21] two generic with labels "wired connection 1" and "wired connection 2" and "lo" listed under wired ethernet [03:21] "lo" is connected as status that's strange [03:21] below that is the WiFi [03:21] Uhh... is "lo" the odd thing you're seeing? [03:22] yes [03:22] Ah. So I *can* answer that one. [03:22] general config fields are blank [03:22] Okay. For starters, these are not "ports" but "interfaces". [03:22] Not the same thing. [03:22] An interface MAY map to hardware, but it doesn't have to. [03:22] well ports on the board interfaces for the software pardon [03:22] Any sort of virtual bridges, VPN interfaces and such will appear there as well. [03:23] Now, I'm puzzled why Mint doesn't show "lo", [03:23] because it MUST exist on anything that uses IP. [03:23] i have no vpn connected yet this is a brand new install of kubuntu [03:23] "lo" is the loopback interface, responsible for handling the 127/8 address space [03:23] (in IPv4) [03:23] maybe and i renamed it 6 installs back then [03:24] No, mine is "lo" as well (Debian). [03:24] still doesn't explain how it persists [03:24] oh [03:24] It persists because it's part of the IP protocol. [03:24] It MUST exist. [03:24] right they all have to have a loopback [03:24] Mint is likely simply not showing it. Why, I have no idea. [03:24] ok well that simplifies things [03:25] then i guess my only issue then is why the damn wifi won't autoconnect and forces me to manually auth every boot [03:25] Also, "wired connection 1" is a "friendly name", I would wager. The interfaces likely have actual IDs, like enp0s4 or so. [03:25] (and among them, "lo" doesn't look so strange) [03:25] i concur [03:26] So the strange wired connection is explained. Leaves only the WiFi issue, which - to me - seems like a failure to save the password for future re-use. [03:26] Try looking for solutions to kubuntu not saving the WiFi password. [03:30] netplan debug seems interesting it says the config is valid [03:30] Or saving it incorrectly, perhaps - it wouldn't be the first time a character is mishandled or missaved. I have an LTE modem that offers you the option to change the admin password, but it silently truncates it to 16 characters! It will, however, HAPPILY accept a longer string... and report an invalid match. :D [03:30] that's rotten lol [03:31] Just saying - we're all only human, after all. [03:31] indeed [03:31] For instance, I avoid the backslash in my passwords for this very reason. [03:31] i've ran into a similar problem as well in a different context though [03:31] You never know if there's a shell script somewhere in the chain that'll take that character as a control character. [03:32] I concur i avoid certain chars as well in passphrases [03:33] Still. There's a very simple way to test if the password is the issue. Change it on the AP to something that cannot (in theory...) be misrepresented. [03:33] Temporarily, of course. [03:33] If the issue goes away, you'll know you're barking up the right tree. [03:34] A simple enough test, at any rate, easy to revert, and will eliminate a whole class of issues. [03:34] i've recently nuked the AP so it's a fresh start with a new passphrase as well i'm almost certain this is an kubuntu bug [03:34] or kernel 6.5 bug maybe [03:35] Still, changing it to "aaaabbbbcccc" for a tick shouldn't be too much trouble. We're only looking for a reaction, after all. [03:35] okie dokie i'll check it... stand by [03:36] I think we can reasonably assume that there should be no issue with either a) storing or b) recalling that string. If it fails as well, you'll probably want to start looking into when and how the password is transmitted instead. [03:37] It could also be a quirk of the AP in question - if it does anything differently (like some rare variation of SSID/BSSID transmission), kubuntu may interpret that as a failure instead, despite everything being technically a-OK. [03:38] Entering the password manually may also retrigger something that isn't retriggered when it attempts to connect automatically. [03:38] rebooting brb [03:38] we'll see if it takes [03:38] Fingers crossed. [03:38] i know right! [03:40] big fat goose eggs my friend [03:41] and it's set to connect automatically with priority 0 [03:42] So, I understand it failed in the same way? [03:42] (I am not familiar with "goose eggs") [03:42] yep wants me to reauth the wifi password every boot [03:42] double zeroes [03:43] Okay. So, sadly, the "simple" solution is not it. [03:43] Occam would be disappointed ha ha [03:43] Actually, I think he'd be proud. This is still data. [03:43] Okay. Can you spin up some other AP to test against? [03:43] true that [03:44] Something unrelated to the AP you're having trouble with, at least. [03:44] i have another router yes [03:44] I would like to know if it affects all APs, or just this one. [03:44] It would be a big issue if it affected all of them, but I imagine it would've been caught, so the situation is very specific. [03:46] they're both asus routers [03:46] Vanilla fw? [03:47] Also, consider options such as phone APs. [03:48] hotspot? [03:48] Yeah. It's an option. [03:48] i have ufw running [03:48] No, I meant - firmware. [03:48] oh [03:48] should be the latest and i just updated the BIOS on the MB recently as well [03:48] Also - if you're using third-party firmware like dd-wrt, consider that there's a radio option for short/regular preamble. SOME very specific WiFi cards MAY have issues with short preambles. Disabling that option may fix the issue. [03:49] its stock fw on the primary AP [03:49] Ah, so vanilla after all. [03:49] its not my ap or i would be running dd'wrt [03:49] the second one i'm testing now is my ap [03:50] only dd wrt doesn't have fw for my ap [03:50] Model? [03:50] (out of curiosity) [03:51] mine? [03:51] asus rog ax11000 [03:51] did it send the last two comments? [03:54] I don't know. I saw the info on Asus ROG AX11000. Also, AsusWRT-Merlin supports it, I think. So, that's an option. [03:59] so yea it does not like that router it was laggin my connection to the second ap something fierce [03:59] it' [04:00] s an Asus ROG AX 11000 [04:00] Okay, but does it retain the WiFi password correctly? [04:01] it wouldn't even connect after the initial setup [04:01] i got circle of death'd by the network manager then it gave up and reverted to the other ap [04:02] short of swapping ap's out completely [04:03] it's just sent me a notification that... the primary ap couldn't aquire the secrets "password" [04:03] Hm. Have you considered that the issue might be in your WiFi client hardware? [04:04] I try to shy away from calling it as "hardware failure", or "driver failure" for that matter... but I assume other clients have no issues with either AP? [04:04] previously i had both ap's running no issues, i mean i'm not saying it's impossible just... [04:05] i mean just 3 hours ago i was running linux mint 21.2 edge no problemo [04:05] I would disable the WiFi and use a USB dongle to test. Also, if this WiFi device is on-board and requires external antennas, I would verify the antennas are attached properly. [04:05] If you recently cleaned or moved it, or disassembled it in any way - check the connections. [04:06] i could reverse the wires it's hard to say they aren't marked "thanks ASUS" [04:06] Also, devices do die sometimes. You may find previous reports if you look for board/device model + WiFi issues. [04:07] i am wondering if that BIOS update is hot garbage i'm considering reverting software versions [04:07] I had an M.2 WiFi card just up and die out of the blue, for example. No warning, it just ceased existence. [04:08] M.2 wifi that sounds cool never heard of an M.2 wifi card [04:08] Well, M.2 is just the interface form factor. It was mini-PCIe. [04:08] right right [04:08] seems the industry keeps marching on [04:08] https://shorturl.at/gxSU6 something like this [04:09] snazzy [04:09] They're used in laptops and embed devices. [04:09] second line there is probably why as well... Made in China [04:09] But this was still a feat, since it was made to milspec. Or, well, automotive. [04:10] ANyway. [04:10] Probably lowest-cost still. :D [04:10] never trust the cheapest bidder though [04:10] they sometimes take shortcuts [04:11] I don't actually know if they whipped up their own, got a decent one, or just slapped on the cheapest one because "well it needs WiFi". :D [04:11] i'm not at a hardware failure just yet as other OS's work flawlessly [04:11] Not that I'm complaining too loudly, since it gave me the option to use that connection for an NVMe. :D [04:11] true that [04:12] if that's your only expansion slot [04:13] https://www.mouser.com/images/marketingid/2019/img/127752815.png kinda sorta :D [04:13] they've come so far though from my first computer ( 8086 8 Mhz turbo w/ math coprocessor 640K conventional ram CGA monitor ) [04:14] nice lil computer board what chip? [04:14] rasberry PI? [04:15] Oh yeah, no disputing that. Don't let it fool you - that thing has a quad Cortex-A7 with 4 GB of RAM. :D [04:15] blows my first computer away fur sho [04:15] Same, but to be fair my microwave oven probably does too xD [04:15] (Atari 65XE, some 1.7 MHz of "clock" :D) [04:15] lmao probably [04:16] oh nice Atari's were bomb back in the day [04:16] But no, it's an NXP LS1046A. [04:17] ARM is nice for mini's [04:17] peepin the data sheet now [04:18] before you look into hardware, look into whether this (having to reauth to wireless after boot) can be an issue with either wireless drivers (out of tree module?) or some issue with password storage / authentication. check which wireless chipset is in use and whether that's well supported or might need a different driver. check what's being logged (journalctl -b) about the wireless connection. maybe disable power saving on the wireless [04:18] interface (but this would only be relevant if the connection drops out of nothing, not just requires login at boot) [04:18] still... I gotta thank you for being a sounding board for me with the network, I appreciate you and your help [04:18] (and please have any non support chat in #ubuntu-offtopic or elsewhere, please) [04:19] Have you tested your WiFi client against say, a hotspot? Might give more info. And I would also recommend trying a USB device of some sort as well. [04:19] tomreyn_: yeah, sorry :D [04:19] :) thanks === tomreyn_ is now known as tomreyn [04:19] blackdrag0n: that was my intent; if I can't solve it, I might at least find out as much as I can for someone that can [04:19] well mint uses an older kernel and kubuntu uses usually a bleeding edge version [04:21] lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999 may be a good start (while the system is online) to determine the wireless chipset [04:21] okie one sec [04:21] got to run, though, sorry, good luck! [04:22] `lspci` if laptop? If nothing comes up USB anyway. [04:22] I know Macs use an internal USB hub, anyway. [04:23] i see the bluetooth but not the wifi [04:24] so mint uses 6.2.033 kernel and kubuntu is using 6.5.10 [04:28] I won't be of much help there, unfortunately. I consider myself good with rapid issue tracing, but kernels are decidedly NOT my forte. :D [04:29] well all the drivers on nix systems are in the kernel's [04:29] Not all, surely? Unless FUSE has a kernel component to it. [04:29] But anyway. [04:29] very interesting.. [04:30] I'm a hardware girl anyways so [04:32] I like to build em [04:32] As in PCs? Or hardware like devkits/devboards, board design etc.? [04:33] Anyway. So `lsusb` showed no WiFi devices in attendance? What does `lspci` say then? [04:33] mostly pc's but i'm getting into devboards and such looking into 3d printing prototype boards [04:35] 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (rev 1a) [04:35] RasPIs are a good starting point. Down the line I'd recommend something like small STM32 (for honing C skills and pcb design), maybe a NanoPI or really anything that relies on Yocto (for Yocto skills). [04:35] "stop your grinnin and drop your linen, I found it!" [04:36] fixed it? [04:36] no i just found the wifi entry [04:36] it was a movie quote [04:37] Now you can do some targetted google queries on that and kubuntu. [04:37] true question is why only kubuntu [04:37] and how in Hades does it cross installs after full wipes [04:37] Alphabetically or by submission order? :D [04:38] lost me on that one [04:38] hey you are pretty cool, mind if i add you as a friend?\ [04:38] It could be anything, really - from a bad driver, through some incompatibility in the network manager, to some quirk in kubuntu vs the AX200. [04:38] blackdrag0n: I mean it probably doesn't cross them [04:39] you said it wasn't an issue on KDE? [04:39] what are you thinking matsaman? [04:39] no its not an issue in mint its an issue for kubuntu everytime [04:39] using network-manager? [04:39] I think they would have entirely different frontends, KDE & GNOME/MATE [04:39] yes [04:40] so it's probably down to the specific network-manager frontend [04:40] that's what I think as well so the commonality is the ubuntu base me thinks [04:40] did you try using the GNOME/MATE nm-applet or whatever, instead of KDE's? [04:40] to confirm [04:40] interesting idea [04:44] i wonder if my disabling of ipv6 in ufw is interfering [04:44] i have ports 22 and 23 diabled [04:44] disabled [04:45] blackdrag0n: also, I wasn't aware IRC *had* friend lists though. :) But I don't mind in the least. [04:45] Hm, ufw should not be affecting any of this, since any IP is encapsulated; WiFi comes first [04:46] this is message-level [04:47] right right that makes sense [05:06] I did turn off the kde wallet in settings when i first installed it, i'll have to check that to see if they are related === maxtim1 is now known as maxtim [05:51] hi niga [05:52] lets keep this channel family friendly student13 [05:53] ok === zofrex2 is now known as zofrex === maxtim1 is now known as maxtim [07:21] Heya [07:21] whos online === Lagair5 is now known as Lagair === chao is now known as stenno === sirerhard is now known as _erhard_ [09:33] Salve salve [09:33] Algum brasileiro on a essa hora? [09:34] Alooo? === sotaover1ide is now known as sotaoverride === esv_ is now known as esv [11:50] Is it posable to pin something to the dash and have it stay in my apps [12:23] john2003cpht: do you mean pin an icon to dash as favorite? === puppies is now known as catties [12:56] when i press print, the gnome screenshot "window" (or overlay) has a "take screenshot" button, which does nothing, and a capture button (large circle in the middle) which takes a screenshot (instead of screen capture). why is that? [12:58] hey y'all, good morning! Say anyone have an issue with Kubuntu and desktop icons not working? [13:05] hi [13:05] hey [13:05] ciao [13:05] hi bye huh [13:06] Hi, I'm here to report a problem regarding Ubuntu 23.10 [13:07] base ubuntu? [13:08] Mantic Minotaur [13:08] what distro? [13:08] ubuntu desktop [13:08] base ubuntu it is then [13:08] been having my share of issues with 23.10 as well [13:09] only i'm on kubuntu 23.10 [13:09] Basically I've been trying to install Ubuntu 23.10 for an hour but the installer crashes, Help me please [13:10] did you verify the .iso before putting it on a usb or cd? [13:10] virtual machine (ISO) [13:11] first need to make sure your image is secure and not corrupted [13:11] verify it using the hash on the primary site [13:13] the iso is checked [13:13] no problem [13:14] what happens when it crashes any errors specifically? [13:14] it doesn't crash, the operating system freezes. [13:15] what OS are we talking about here? [13:15] Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur) [13:16] is this before the os is installed? [13:16] like the live is freezing? [13:17] yes [13:17] what medium is the image installed on? [13:18] ISO Virtual Machine [13:18] what's the host OS? [13:19] Windows 10 22H2 (19045.3570) [13:19] ok now we're cooking with gas [13:19] how much ram do you have [13:19] and what CPU? [13:20] 8gb RAM [13:20] intel i7-3770s [13:20] oh wow thats entirely too low for a VM [13:20] ddr4? [13:21] this a laptop? [13:22] 8GB of RAM is what is dedicated for the Ubuntu VM. [13:22] whats your total ram in the system [13:22] 16GB [13:22] ok that's diff, you using vmware or virtualbox? [13:23] vmware workstation pro 17 [13:23] have you run any other VM's on this system? [13:23] no [13:24] is this a laptop? [13:24] no is PC [13:24] gotcha [13:25] at what point in the install is it freezing [13:27] after copying the files [13:27] so it lets you through partitioning and all that jazz just to freeze at the very end, what percentage does it usually complete? [13:28] 48% [13:28] have you just let it sit to see if is just being pokey? [13:30] do you run the task manager while installing on the VM it can show you I/O writes to see if the chart just falls out or not [13:30] what kinda of drive are you using for that install? [13:33] that join was a lil wonky did you see that! [13:34] trippy [13:35] have you tried another .iso for a different distro [13:36] he left ha ha i been talkin to my damn self lol [14:04] hi, any hints how to get a python2.7 script running on mantic? Since mantic does not seem to have any python2-packages === justHaunted is now known as justache [14:09] not sure i'm new to python i was under the impression python 3 was the new standard [14:16] blackdrag0n: you can find packageversions of the ubuntu releases in their !mantic releasenotes [14:16] !mantic [14:16] Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur) is the 39th release of Ubuntu and the current regular release – Download at https://ubuntu.com/download :: Release notes at https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/mantic-minotaur-release-notes/35534 [14:20] its bleeding edge though kernel 6.5 [14:21] sanks lotus [14:21]