[02:53] <willayd> hi there - I noticed after upgrading to 23.10 from 23.04 that when hooked up to a dual monitor display that the scale of the secondary display without "fractional scaling" enabled does not actually change, regardless of whether I pick 100% or 200%
[02:54] <willayd> I assumed this would be a Gnome 45 issue. However, stumbling upon what I think is a similar issue here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/3137 ...
[02:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 3137 in GNOME/mutter "Incorrect desktop panning since fractional scaling was implemented for x11. (All distros)" [Opened]
[02:55] <willayd> I am interpreting the response to that issue as the fractional scaling being an ubuntu issue
[02:55] <willayd> Hmm on second thought maybe it is a Gnome issue. "Fractional scaling" seems to fix the issue but with that disabled things aren't working. So maybe ubuntu is working around a gnome bug here
[03:55] <devslash> if I use apps that are only accessible to me behind my vpn on mu ubuntu server, is it considered bad practice to use http instead of https? I dont use a reverse proxy and have no ports open to the outside world
[03:57] <rbox> well tcpdump on either end could see the contents
[03:57] <rbox> so if you dont care ab out that
[03:59] <devslash> well if you're behind a vpn, does that matter ?
[04:00] <rbox> you're the one that would eetermine that, not me
[04:00] <rbox> determine*
[04:33] <two-tone> join /ruby-on-rails
[04:34] <matsaman> not on your life
[04:35] <two-tone> join #ruby
[08:12] <gry> hi michel_c12
[11:01] <paul424> Hello, with my lame skills I came up to the state where the X11 server does not start ( probably due to change of the display matrix in the laptop -- can this be possible ? )
[11:03] <paul424> hmm .... the nvidia module is present , but doesn't rise any issues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:04] <paul424> what shell I do with my lame skills ? Would reinstalling the whole system be an answer  ?
[11:04] <paul424> also what is that grub command to start bare svga/vga mode ?
[11:26] <paul424> nomodeset does not help either
[11:28] <badiah> hi
[11:31] <paul424> rolling back to previous kernel version does help tough
[12:03] <Lantizia|Work> are the MOK.priv and MOK.dev files in /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/ meant to be something anything can use?
[12:03] <Lantizia|Work> which have 'CN=ubuntu-mate Secure Boot Module Signature key'
[12:03] <Lantizia|Work> e.g. if I compile two custom modules (they come with the install of VMware Workstation)... then I'd normally make a new key for mokutil with CN=VMware and enroll that... but I could just sign the new modules with the MOK.priv and MOK.dev files from /var/lib/shim-signed/mok/ instead?
[12:45] <ravage> yes
[12:47] <ravage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/Signing
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:05] <thewalker> is there an easy way to minimize ubuntu server? I am setting up ubuntu containers, and after setup they are basically immutable
[14:05] <thewalker> each container runs one exactly service
[14:06] <thewalker> and I want to remove everything not related tothat service and basic network (even dhcp is not needed)
[14:06] <thewalker> so that includes, apt-get, apt, cloud-init ..etc.
[14:07] <thewalker> ideally, I'd want to miminize the ubuntu image to be just the package that I insalled, libc (and any other required libs), /bin/sh, and systemd
[14:07] <thewalker> is there a way to achive that?
[14:08] <thewalker> just to be clear, I think I know how to do it manually (maybe not uninstalling apt, apt-get, snap part)
[14:08] <thewalker> but is there a way to do it automatically?
[14:12] <leftyfb> thewalker: it sounds like docker might be what you're looking for
[14:13] <leftyfb> thewalker: but to answer your question, an automation tool like ansible might be hlpeful to you
[14:15] <thewalker> I am already having lxd based setup with packer provisioner
[14:15] <leftyfb> ok, so tell packer to create a docker container for you instead
[14:15] <thewalker> but how would that be different?
[14:16] <leftyfb> thewalker: research the difference between docker containers and lxd containers
[14:16] <leftyfb> docker was built for your exact use case
[14:21] <thewalker> I am looking at this image: https://i.stack.imgur.com/a5Neb.png
[14:23] <thewalker> and I can see how can docker reduce disk footprint, but this is not really what would hope to achieve. what I would hope to achieve is the left picture, except for once everyting is installed, I hoped ubuntu had a way to package manager, unnessary services and related files.
[14:24] <thewalker> as a matter of fact, some services must eventually run as full VMs to offer better isolation (I am thinking pki related services).
[14:24] <thewalker> not sure if that makes sense in general.
[14:24] <leftyfb> thewalker: oh, sorry. I assumed you wanted each container to only run 1 service and only it's direct dependencies, removing everything else
[14:26] <thewalker> well I meant literally remove everything else. I fail to see how docker would do this on its own. last I used docker, I could ssh into docker and see all packages still there(like apt).
[14:26] <leftyfb> thewalker: what you're asking for is VERY custom and beyond the scope of the support typically provided here
[14:27] <leftyfb> also a bit unneccessary
[14:29] <thewalker> I see, well I can do it manually, my usecase is.. well being cheep and trying to squeeze every bit of ram/cpu/disk or my laptop-server. But I can do it manually (via script).
[14:29] <thewalker> thanks for confirming that this doesn't usually exist.
[14:50] <ogra> leftyfb, https://ubuntu.com/blog/combining-distroless-and-ubuntu-chiselled-containers ... (in case you didnt know about it yet)
[14:54] <leftyfb> ogra: no, I didn't know about this particular 3rd party project not available in the ubuntu repo's to manually build custom image :)
[14:55] <leftyfb> also, it is at it's core, a docker image
[14:55] <leftyfb> which is what I suggested already
[14:58] <leftyfb> sorry, not exactly 3rd party
[14:58] <leftyfb> but still not something someone can just "apt install chiselled-containers"
[15:00] <Exa> too bad they left though
[15:00] <Exa> they could have taken any docker-based project, extract the rootfs, rebuild a paritioned disk (or whatever lxd uses) and use it
[15:09] <troelsen> Hi! Is there a way to upgrade from ubuntu 20.04.4 to 20.04.6 and if there is such need? I don't have `update` in mu sources.list and I do just `apt upgrade`. Do I need to update to 20.04.6 if I want the same environment on two machines, if one is 20.04.4 and 20.04.6?
[15:10] <leftyfb> troelsen: sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade
[15:10] <troelsen> so, minor version upgrade doesn't need anything more than just apt update?
[15:11] <leftyfb> correct
[15:16] <troelsen> leftyfb, thanks
[15:21] <ogra> leftyfb, well, it is an official canonical product/project ... and already used by customers a lot AFAIK ... https://github.com/canonical/chisel ... not actually 3rd party :)
[15:22] <leftyfb> ogra: yeah, I corrected myself. But still is this something Canonical expects the ubuntu community to support?
[15:22] <Guest29> Hi
[15:22] <ogra> leftyfb, if "the ubuntu community" needs sliced down debian packages from the ubuntu archive for cloud projects ... yes
[15:23] <ogra> note that it only works with official archive packages
[15:23] <Guest29> what does " Available with Ubuntu Pro " mean, is there no patch for normal ubuntu users?
[15:23] <leftyfb> !pro | Guest29
[15:23] <ogra> "normal ubuntu users" ... heh
[15:23] <Guest29> https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-41915 I don't see any security patches for any ubuntu version
[15:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu- OpenPMIx PMIx before 4.2.6 and 5.0.x before 5.0.1 allows attackers to obtain ownership of arbitrary files via a race condition during execution of library code with UID 0. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-41915>
[15:25] <Guest29> for latest ubuntu versions, are there security patches that aren't available to non-paying users, and is this such a case? (understandable, devs gotta eat). I just want to know so i know what to do with the systems we have
[15:26] <Guest29> I have 3.1.5-1 for my system but it doesn't have the additional esm version strings, i'm assuming that means vulnerable?
[15:28] <leftyfb> Guest29: as the link I sent you explained, the packages being upgraded are part of the universe repository. Historically Canonical does not maintain those packages but instead are maintained by Ubuntu community maintainers. As part of Pro, Canonical updates those packages with security patches.
[15:28] <Guest29> thanks leftyfb, is my understanding about the version string correct?
[15:28] <ogra> yes
[15:28] <Guest29> perfect, thank you all!
[15:37] <natewrench> can you upgrade from a non lts to an lts release and vice versa?
[15:37] <tomtom-> After upgrading apache2 on Ubuntu 22.04 all the virtualhost symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ were replaced by a real copy of the file in /etc/apache/site-available/. Have anyone else experienced this?
[15:42] <leftyfb> natewrench: yes
[15:51] <ogra> tomtom-, sounds like a bug with some transition/maintainer scripts ... i'd file it using "ubuntu-bug apache2" ...
[16:15] <phil92> Hey all, I was directed here from Reddit. Not sure if this is exactly the right place, but I'm having some big issues with my laptop. Here's the post copy/pasted from Reddit, please feel free to redirect me to a better chatroom if this is the wrong place.
[16:15] <phil92> Issue started happening a few days ago but it's gotten to the point where it's getting to be a real problem. Occasionally, after no specific input or pattern or anything that I can detect, the keyboard on my laptop will stop working. This is usually accompanied by quick freezes where I can't move the mouse (but that will only last a few seconds
[16:15] <phil92> before I can move it again) and the Wifi cutting out. When this happens, the keyboard and wifi will be unusable until I restart the computer, but I can still navigate and use my mouse just fine, albeit with occasional freezes. Prior to this issue popping up a few days ago, I haven't had any issues with the keyboard/wifi/minor freezes.
[16:15] <phil92> When I restart the computer to get rid of the problem, I'm usually not able to use the proper method of clicking Power Off > Power Off - when I try to do that, the computer hangs at a black screen with the logo but never actually powers off. I need to hold the physical power button to turn it off, and that feels like it takes longer than it should.
[16:15] <phil92> For context, I'm using a Dell laptop that was loaded with Windows, but I have a Linux (Ubuntu) partition on it that I use 99% of the time, I only use the Windows partition once a month or so. If anybody has any ideas on what could be going wrong or at least what tools I can use to run diagnostics, that would be extremely helpful. Happy to give more
[16:15] <phil92> context/info. Thank you!
[16:25] <toddc> !details | phil92
[16:26] <arraybolt3> phil92: Did you already disable Fast Startup in Windows?
[16:26] <toddc> phil92: what version of ubuntu and DE have yo tested the hard drive?
[16:27] <phil92> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[16:27] <phil92> Haven't tested the hard drive, I'm not sure how I would go about doing that. And similarly haven't disabled Fast Startup in Windows, not sure what that means
[16:28] <arraybolt3> phil92: I'd start by disabling Fast Startup, see https://www.howtogeek.com/856514/how-to-disable-fast-startup-on-windows-10/
[16:29] <arraybolt3> If you don't, Windows doesn't actually fully shut down your computer when you turn it off.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> And that can result in problems when you boot into your Linux system while Windows isn't actually all the way off.
[16:29] <arraybolt3> Oftentimes this results in hardware glitching out (usually in the form of the WiFi card simply not working at all).
[16:30] <xevious> Ubuntu 20.04 currently has grub packages with two different versions (2.04 and 2.06).  I see that some packages were updated to 2.06 for this CVE: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-6355-1 - however,  the source package was not updated on LaunchPad.  Where is the source for the updated 2.06 packages? Why weren't all grub packages updated to 2.06?
[16:32] <arraybolt3> xevious: I don't think 2.06 is available in 20.04, but rather the fixes for CVEs in 20.04 were backported to GRUB 2.04. That's how Ubuntu handles most packages.
[16:32] <arraybolt3> It is very rare that a package in an existing stable Ubuntu release will be upgraded to a new version. Instead bug and security fixes are backported into the older version from the newer version for stability's sake.
[16:33] <xevious> In this case,  2.06 packages for grub-efi were pulled into 20.04 (as can be seen in the link I provided).  I'm trying to understand why a different process was followed this time.
[16:34] <arraybolt3> How do you know that this is the case?
[16:34] <arraybolt3> oh, interesting
[16:34] <arraybolt3> nvm
[16:35] <arraybolt3> hmm, good question, might be worth asking about in #ubuntu-security?
[16:36] <xevious> Good suggestion.
[16:39] <JanC> xevious: if they pulled in packages from another release then the source package is the one from that other release
[16:41] <JanC> my guess is they did it because that was quicker (especially for the signed packages?)
[16:42] <xevious> I'm mainly just surprised to see deviation from the standard process/workflow.
[16:42] <JanC> and the new version is probably unlikely to cause new boot issues
[16:43] <xevious> Anyone working downstream of Ubuntu is currently unable to build matching grub packages for 20.04.
[16:43] <JanC> maybe 2.04 → 2.06 is only bug fixes it wouldn't make a difference really
[16:45] <JanC> you can't use "apt-get source" to get the source package?
[16:46] <xevious> Nope.  The source package in the repo is still 2.04
[16:53] <JanC> the source files are in the archive it seems, so either there is some issue with some index file(s) or you don't have all source repositories configured?
[17:00] <JanC> xevious: remember you need the grub2-unsigned and/or grub2-signed source package for this?
[17:01] <JanC> see https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/grub2-unsigned & https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal/grub2-signed
[17:02] <xevious> Thanks.  I was looking here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/grub2
[17:03] <JanC> the official way is to use apt-get source
[17:10] <xevious> In this case,  source repos aren't available on the system I discovered the mismatched versions on.  So,  I checked Launchpad,  which has been reliable in the past.
[17:19] <nexauu> h ellp
[17:19] <nexauu> fuck
[17:19] <nexauu> hello
[17:23] <TimurTabi> Is https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/ no longer being updated?  The last entry is 6.5-rc5.  I was expecting to see 6.6 there by now.
[17:24] <juan> TimurTabi: there's a v6.6-rc5
[17:25] <leftyfb> TimurTabi: 6.6 was released 7 days ago
[17:26] <TimurTabi> Sure, but 6.6-rc6 and 6.6-rc7 are missing.
[17:35] <jj_> If I'm using stock Ubuntu and wanted to install Budgie (sudo apt install ubuntu-budgie-desktop) is that generally considered a bad idea that might introduce problems?
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> jj_: you can test flavours ontop other ubuntu flavours sure
[17:39] <JanC> it should not cause major problems
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> jj_: but some flavour desktops, can result into issues when you try uninstalling them
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> jj_: so backups are a good idea
[17:43] <jj_> thanks!
[17:55] <fredz> How to fix Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module ?
[17:56] <ravage> ignore it
[17:56] <leftyfb> fredz: install libcanberra-gtk-module ?
[17:56] <ravage> does not fix it. at least not for me
[17:57] <ravage> i see that "error" on a lot of applications. everything works anyway
[17:58] <tomtom-> ogra: I don't have a way to replicate the issue tho so I cannot verify 100% that this is the case. However file modification timestamp matched the timestamp in dpkg.log when Ubuntu upgraded the apache2 package.
[17:59] <fredz> Lettuce see
[18:01] <Fredz> leftyfb, well that worked
[18:01] <Fredz> Devils in the details
[18:01] <Fredz> Thx
[18:03] <Fredz> you should do the same ravage
[18:05] <Fredz> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz (3,41GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5,7 GiB Total (4,5 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (1,9 GiB Free) • Storage: 15,1 GB / 25,6 GB (10,5 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] • Uptime: 57m 46s
[19:19] <nexauu> yeah uh
[19:19] <nexauu> so
[19:20] <nexauu> how do install a few DEs without fucking up eachother
[19:20] <nexauu> because if i install Budgie, KDE and LXQt for example my buttons and themes will be fucked
[19:21] <nexauu> @Fredz why do you have an i5 7500 but 24 gigs of ram
[19:21] <mtn> nexauu: a safe way to have more than one is to make a new user and only use it  there
[19:22] <nexauu> so i'd make a user for each desktop? what about my common applications?
[19:22] <mtn> nexauu: your apps will work for any user
[19:23] <nexauu> if i installed the distro from the minimal iso and select the desktops would my buttons and everything still be fucked
[19:23] <toddc> nexauu: another way is install them to virtual machine so they will totally independant
[19:23] <nexauu> i considered that but that's pretty tedious and it'd take the same time figuring out how to fix it
[19:23] <mtn> nexauu: if you mean would they be messed up if you use more than one of them for a user, yes, they might be
[19:23] <mtn> nexauu: doesn't  matter how you install them
[19:24] <nexauu> ok, thank you
[19:30] <nexauu> also i noticed that on windows my airpods will work fine, it'll work on ubuntu on my desktop (same version as my laptop, 23.10) but it won't on that laptop, it immediately unpairs, which is odd because it was the first device i connected them to
[19:46] <arraybolt3> nexauu: As a sidenote, we try to avoid strong language in this channel for the sake of those in here who are younger or more sensitive.
[19:49] <nexauu> .
[20:26] <bray90820> How would I record internal audio with 22.10+ i use3d to be able to record fine on 22.04 LTS but since the witch to pipewire just installing pavucontrol doesn't seem to work anymore
[20:27] <bray90820> Sorry if I didn't geive enough ibfo
[20:27] <bray90820> *Info
[20:27] <leftyfb> bray90820: ubuntu 22.10 is EOL and no longer supported. Time to upgrade to a supported release
[20:28] <bray90820> Sorry I meant 23.10 my bad
[20:28] <bray90820> wait no I did mean 22.10+ because that's ehen it switchex to pipewire
[20:28] <bray90820> I'm currently running 23.10- tho
[20:30] <bray90820> Basically I just meant with ubuntu since it switched to pipewire
[20:30] <nexauu> epic
[20:37] <oerheks> !info pw-cat
[20:38] <oerheks> indeed, dropped after lunar :-(
[20:38] <leftyfb> oerheks: pw-cat isn't a package in any current release of ubuntu
[20:39] <oerheks> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lunar/en/man1/pw-cat.1.html ..
[20:39] <oerheks> from pipewire-bin?
[20:40] <leftyfb> it is
[20:43] <bray90820> oerheks: were you talking to me?
[22:36] <bitbinge> Can someone explain to me why packages.ubuntu.com lists cpupower included in linux-tools-common, but when I install that on mantic it's not there and I have to install linux-tools-generic?
[22:41] <oerheks> err, it should be https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic-updates/all/linux-tools-common/filelist
[22:42] <oerheks> and https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic-updates/amd64/linux-tools-generic/filelist just gives a changelog
[22:47] <bitbinge> When I invoke cpupower it tells me it's not available for this kernel and I need to install linux-tools-generic...
[22:47] <nexauu> .
[22:48] <oerheks> bitbinge, weird, looking at the file lists...
[22:48] <oerheks> i must be missing something.
[22:53] <ruser> hello, how do i preven the minimal install from booting into root console, sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target didn't do anything
[22:54] <oerheks> multi-user target = console, you want graphical target
[22:55] <ruser> oerheks:  i'm trying to run headless for now, but it was set to graphical target initially
[22:55] <ruser> oerheks: that still booted into a console with root already logged in
[22:55] <bitbinge> How does linux-laptop-tools-common differ from the regular?
[22:55] <oerheks> oh, i understand minimal is just the standard ubuntu with minimal apps
[22:56] <oerheks> bitbinge, see the url i posted with file list??
[22:56] <ruser> oerheks: okay, i'm sorry i may have mislead you, it's like the absolute barebones :)
[22:56] <oerheks> if this is server, why would it automaticly login?
[22:58] <ruser> again, it's not a "standard" install offered by the install scripts. (I do understand how I it could have been misleading with my initial quesiton)
[22:58] <ruser> (mainly becuase i'm setting up encrypted boot and encrypted root fs)
[23:37] <mcc> I am using 23.10 with wayland. I have this box in my Ubuntu Settings https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/111/365/911/886/773/784/original/b320d4ffc38fa3c9.png labeled "Scaling". If I put it at 150% on my laptop everything looks "right". However, some applications do not support scaling well. Is there a way to disable (or customize, say to 200%, which might work better) this value for individual applications?
[23:37] <mcc> Also: Same question, but rather than the "Scaling" in Ubuntu Settings it's the "Fonts->Scaling Factor" box in gnome-tweaks?
[23:38] <mcc> An alternate way of asking these questions might be "what are the "scaling" and "fonts->scaling factor" boxes in settings and gnome-tweaks actually "doing"?