[03:28] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: i tested lubuntu 24.04 yesterday on an ancient acer aspire one with 2gb ram, looking great
[03:29] <guiverc> :)  though lxqt I think is still 1.3; 1.4 (parts anyway) only available via ppa, but it'll get there :)
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> the only thing i noticed is calamares was a bit slow installing
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> ssd inside in that machine
[03:31] <guiverc> i don't know, but speed of install doesn't worry me much; few of us install our systems daily :)
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> once installed all lookin good to me
[03:32]  * guiverc has noted speed.. i'll see if I notice it (I suspect unlikely), or hear others report any difference in speed  ;   calamares is newer version than 23.10 used
[03:33]  * guiverc is aware of a few issues already with calamares; thus speed not currently my concern...
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> i didnt notice other calamares issues
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> unfolding to console i see a lot of scripts running
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> partitioning went pretty well
[03:34] <guiverc> you could always file a bug report lotuspsychje (calamares from installed system if it'll let you) & i can look to see if anything stands out
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> allrighty, i will a bit later
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> i think around 30min install
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> compared to ubuntu desktop 5 to 10min
[03:35] <guiverc> that's slower than I was thinking.. yeah bug report maybe worthwhile :(
[03:36] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: you recall if iso size is bigger since jammy lubuntu?
[03:37] <lotuspsychje> maybe it has to install more stuff?
[03:37] <guiverc> kinetic 1.9, impish 2.0, jammy 2.8, lunar-noble 2.9
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> not too far from jammy
[03:41] <guiverc> the last size increase I recall related to snap change impacting ubuntu & all flavors
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> FF?
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> i think ruenoak is testing xubuntu 24.04, did you notice install speed there?
[03:45] <guiverc> the snap change I referred to impacted size only; not speed (pre-noble cycle though)
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> i see
[03:55] <ruenoak> Hi all I didn't notice Xubuntu was slow to install
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx ruenoak 
[03:56] <ruenoak> 24.04 image is only slightly larger that 23.10
[03:57] <lotuspsychje> i see
[03:57] <ruenoak> When I was installing Lubuntu last week I had allot of trouble with the installer, but I wasn't sure if it was the VM I was using or the installer itself 
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> what kind of trouble ruenoak 
[03:58] <guiverc> we have had issues with calamares since noble ISOs were available
[03:58] <ruenoak> The installer would hang on coping over files 
[03:59] <ruenoak> I thought it was frozen for a while but eventually completed, 
[03:59] <guiverc> hang relates (rather strongly) to your SLOW comment lotuspsychje :(
[04:01] <ruenoak> I didn't report it as I suspected my Vm configuration at the time as I was having trouble with other 24.04 images but Xubuntu installed fine, so sI'm not sure now 
[04:02] <guiverc> sure sounds like we (lubuntu) have an issues there (hidden?) in calamares on noble :(  thanks for info ruenoak 
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> mine did work like a charm, just felt slower
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: i filed bug #2043310
[10:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2043310 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Calamares installs rather slow" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043310
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> i had to do apport-collect 2043310 after ubuntu-bug as apport didnt collect the calamares logs right away
[10:38] <guiverc> I noticed; thanks lotuspsychje 
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> is that normal it doesnt collect? or should i have filed a bug from a live while calamares running?
[10:40] <guiverc> ideally during a live session (after install), but I may have (if I thought about it) just filed online with nothing uploaded, then run `apport-collect` & hope all uploads there.. but all detail should be there..  We'll monitor it
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[10:41] <guiverc> I did 3 installs today; 2 great (~7 min) & one failure... the failure (with encryption) to me the bigger issue currently
[10:42] <guiverc> i don't know if 7 mins is 'slow', 'normal' etc.. I'd have to re-install mantic for a 'base' speed..  (not my current concern)
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> 7min is fast
[10:43] <guiverc> compared to yours yeah.. i didn't feel fast (watching a kettle boil...)
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> i usualy install ubuntu-desktop in 5-10min on an ssd system
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> want me to test the encryption too guiverc ?
[10:45] <guiverc> i'm pretty sure it'll fail... if you have spare time/energy yes please do.. we've still got plenty of time so I'm not yet worried; Aaron may look when he's able
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> ok on it
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> installing
[10:56] <guiverc> the install i did today took longer with encryptiojn.. before error appeared..
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> 8% here
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> unpacking packages looks like slow
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> fstab & locale 48%
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> looks like stalling here
[11:12] <guiverc> :(
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> ah it just jumped
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: yep i can reproduce
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> the bootloader could not be installed pre grub-install target i386 error code;..
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> affected bug #2043301
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2043301 in calamares (Ubuntu) "lubuntu noble install failure - encryption" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043301
[11:16] <guiverc_deb> thanks lotuspsychje 
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> maybe try bootloader on / instead of mbr now?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> or did you try that already
[11:19] <guiverc_deb> sudodus (Nio) also had the issue & has made a report on bug.report (~10 mins ago)...    We have a problem we can re-produce so I'm happy there for now.. We can save our energy for re-testing until we have a cause & hopeful-fix, or need more details...
[11:19] <guiverc_deb> thanks lotuspsychje 
[11:20]  * guiverc_deb is in kitchen doing chores; thus on different box
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ill do some food too here, and try again encryption with bootloader on /
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> i think the speedbug, unpacking packages eats most of the setup time (in my case usb stick over usb 2.0)
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> on a modern pc/protocol it prob will turbo
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> running locale-gen seems like also a bottleneck
[11:39] <guiverc_deb> i'll do next installs (with lubuntu) on a box that uses these screens; hp dc7700 from ~2005 which is usb2 only..
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> no dice with bootloader on / + encryption guiverc_deb 
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> same error
[11:52] <guiverc_deb> :(  but to me expected (proves my believed understanding of issue... but thanks for testing)
[11:53]  * guiverc_deb got a fright when you pinged here... i can still hear guiverc if pinged
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> filed a new bug on ubuntu-desktop on subdownloader; bug #2043315 in case anyone wants to test
[13:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Bug 2043315 in subdownloader (Ubuntu) "Subdownloader dock icon launches a python3 gear" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2043315