| en1gma | i just install ubuntu 22.04.3 and did all updates in a dual boot windows 11 nvme m.2 drive with secure boot. everything is good. my question has to do with networking. when i run ubuntu 'sudp airmon-ng check kill' like 4x to kill all networking stuff and when i get done with it i do a 'sudo airmon-ng stop wlp5s0mon' how do i get my wireless networking back up? i just restart each time and that works fine but is there a better way? | 00:07 |
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| en1gma | when i do the 'airmon-ng check kill' it kills "avahi-daemon". "NetworkManager", "wpa_supplicant" and another "avahi-daemon" | 00:15 |
| jeremy31 | en1gma: check kali forums, I have no idea | 00:25 |
| en1gma | jeremy31 i also asked in #ubuntu. ill see what happens there | 00:25 |
| jeremy31 | en1gma: this is #ubuntu | 00:26 |
| en1gma | omg. | 00:31 |
| leftyfb | en1gma: airmon-ng is not a supported application in ubuntu | 00:31 |
| en1gma | crap. i thought you were in #aircrack-ng as i asked there too | 00:31 |
| en1gma | lol | 00:31 |
| en1gma | well i hope someone can answer my question here because this is ubuntu related | 00:32 |
| leftyfb | en1gma: no, it's airmon-ng related | 00:32 |
| leftyfb | en1gma: don't run airmon-ng and you won't have an issue | 00:33 |
| en1gma | my question is about network manager and bringing up the network | 00:33 |
| leftyfb | nm starts on boot | 00:33 |
| en1gma | ok maybe i need to reword it. i agree | 00:33 |
| en1gma | what is the command to restart network manager | 00:33 |
| leftyfb | en1gma: why are you stopping network manager? | 00:34 |
| en1gma | and all the processes i listed. "avahi-daemon". "NetworkManager", "wpa_supplicant" and another "avahi-daemon" | 00:34 |
| en1gma | what? we arent allowed to ask about network-manager now? | 00:34 |
| leftyfb | sudo systemctl restart network-manager | 00:34 |
| leftyfb | just like every service on ubuntu | 00:34 |
| en1gma | thank-you. i need to learn those systemctl commands. ive used them on rpi3b before too so they must be common | 00:35 |
| leftyfb | it's part of systemd which is on most modern distro | 00:35 |
| leftyfb | s | 00:35 |
| en1gma | im so used to ifonfig and iwconfig and those still | 00:36 |
| jeremy31 | en1gma: or> systemctl restart NetworkManager.service | 00:36 |
| en1gma | im copying those commands down now. | 00:36 |
| en1gma | wish we had a right click create file instead of going to a terminal and typing 'touch etc' | 00:37 |
| jeremy31 | en1gma: Run the file manager with sudo permission | 00:37 |
| en1gma | O_o. from command line or properties on nautilus icon? | 00:38 |
| en1gma | looks like command line probably | 00:38 |
| jeremy31 | command line> sudo nautilus | 00:38 |
| JanC | airmon-ng can stop networkign but doesn't know how to bring it back up? sounds like a bug... :) | 00:39 |
| jeremy31 | I don't see airmon-ng on Ubuntu repos | 00:39 |
| WaV | keep in mind that running the file manager with sudo permissions is not recommended. | 00:39 |
| WaV | I don't think its going to let you do what you want anyway. | 00:40 |
| leftyfb | jeremy31: it's not | 00:40 |
| en1gma | i cant believe its that easy with running nautilus root. in the past it was always a longer command then that | 00:40 |
| jeremy31 | en1gma: Might be a pkexec command for it | 00:41 |
| en1gma | just copied all the commands down from non-root touch file | 00:41 |
| en1gma | just in case. | 00:41 |
| JanC | most file managers allow you to add plugins & custom actions/scripts; it would probably be better to use that if you need to do some actions as root regularly | 00:42 |
| en1gma | the right click create file ive added in ubuntu file manager before i think | 00:42 |
| en1gma | and adding seconds to the clock | 00:42 |
| en1gma | i got spoiled a little on 23.10 | 00:43 |
| en1gma | im probably going to install the amd binary driver in a bit. i know people say use the free version but the binary is needed for some of the things i do | 00:43 |
| en1gma | why dont it show up as an option in software update | 00:44 |
| en1gma | in the additional drivers | 00:44 |
| en1gma | i already added my key for secure boot. that went well when installing ubuntu | 00:44 |
| en1gma | the desktop is a little glitchy | 00:45 |
| en1gma | i got it. i will do some reading its all good | 00:45 |
| WaV | You can create a script for nautilus to create a text file if you want. | 00:47 |
| WaV | Or create templates which is probably easier. | 00:58 |
| bray90820 | Hey if you download a deb file but it doesn't have the deb extention on it can you still do dpkg -i without adding the extention? | 01:39 |
| gry | bray90820: I think that's a yes | 01:40 |
| gry | bray90820: is it working for you? | 01:40 |
| leftyfb | bray90820: I would not recommend that | 01:40 |
| leftyfb | bray90820: what are you trying to install? | 01:40 |
| bray90820 | We'll see if it works | 01:40 |
| bray90820 | It'll be a few minutes tho | 01:40 |
| gry | bray90820: what are you trying to install? | 01:41 |
| bray90820 | Teamviewer | 01:41 |
| bray90820 | It's a long story tho of why it doesn't have an extention | 01:41 |
| ak2004 | Hello everyone, I need productivity tips with the system GUI in Ubuntu 22.04 | 01:45 |
| toddc | Team veower from the website does have full a deb file | 01:46 |
| toddc | bray90820: test and working ver 15.47.3 on 22.04 gnome | 01:47 |
| bray90820 | Cool | 01:47 |
| ak2004 | coool | 01:47 |
| ak2004 | I am also interested in specific tips for the Ubuntu system GUI, such as how to use the Dash, the Ubuntu Dock, and the Ubuntu Global Menu. | 01:49 |
| toddc | bray90820: I used software install option from yur downloads location | 01:49 |
| toddc | ak2004: we do mostly support her you may get better tips in off topic | 01:50 |
| en1gma | omfg. i got my self into a world of crap trying to install the binary drivers from amd on ubuntu 22.04.3 amd64 desktop. i think i have removed almost all amdgpu stuff because i had errors with amdgpu-install. do i need to run initramfs | 01:51 |
| toddc | !ot | ak2004 | 01:51 |
| ubottu | ak2004: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 01:51 |
| en1gma | im afraid if i reboot i will not be able to make it back in | 01:51 |
| ak2004 | "Ok, thanks. Good night." | 01:53 |
| bray90820 | Yes it worked without the extention | 02:02 |
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| en1gma | well that reinstall was fun! | 03:37 |
| en1gma | lost my text file with my commands i had made | 03:38 |
| en1gma | i think i installed the amd 5.7 binary driver thing but how do i know for sure because ubuntu 22.04.3 uses the HWE amd driver? | 03:38 |
| en1gma | ive done the commands like glxgears -B but im not sure how to tell if the driver im actually using is the proprietary driver or the ubuntu free driver | 03:39 |
| en1gma | it dont show up in the software update under additional drivers | 03:41 |
| arraybolt3 | How do I increase swappiness? I'm using RAM compression in lieu of a swapfile and would like to start swapping into that space much sooner than my system usually would do so. | 03:41 |
| guiverc | arraybolt3, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F maybe helpful | 03:42 |
| guiverc | en1gma, ubuntu will use HWE or GA depending on default of your install media; 22.04.3 as such will use 5.15 kernel if GA install media was used; or HWE if HWE install media was used; Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Desktop & later default to HWE, but Ubuntu Server & flavors differ | 03:43 |
| arraybolt3 | guiverc: thanks | 03:44 |
| bray90820 | What's the live password for kubuntu 23.10 | 03:44 |
| guiverc | bray90820, i didn't think it had one; (ie. just ENTER should log in), but next i'd try kubuntu | 03:45 |
| bray90820 | The computer went to sleep and now I need to login again kubuntu didn't work | 03:45 |
| arraybolt3 | bray90820: Just hit "enter", an empty password should work. | 03:46 |
| * guiverc has grabbed what I believe is a kubuntu mantic thumb-drive, will quickly test... | 03:46 | |
| * guiverc discovers i've overwritten it with ubuntu studio; no good.. but I believe it's '' (nothing) | 03:47 | |
| en1gma | guiverc i still have the install media but i cant remember what i picked. after i did the install i followed a guide to install the 5.7 amd driver but i think i should have installed the 20.xx driver maybe | 03:47 |
| en1gma | im not sure which i should have installed. they were both sept 28th 2023 | 03:47 |
| en1gma | it was the amdgpu-install script from what looked like an ftp repo | 03:48 |
| en1gma | i did want rocm support though | 03:48 |
| guiverc | en1gma, chances are if ubuntu desktop you'll have HWE kernel stack; however if your install media was before 20.04 (and release-upgraded) then install media really matters as it remains the same unless you change default | 03:51 |
| en1gma | my media was 22.04.3 | 03:51 |
| en1gma | amd64-desktop | 03:51 |
| en1gma | but after that installed i then installed the driver from amd website. the amdgpu-install script for 5.7 | 03:51 |
| guiverc | hwe is used (6.2 kernel) for Ubuntu Desktop & desktop flavors; Ubuntu Desktop media can (depending on your hardware) change default to OEM or GA kernel stack though only for specific hardware | 03:52 |
| en1gma | amdgpu-install_5.7.00.48.50700-1_all.deb | 03:52 |
| en1gma | i have 6900xt | 03:52 |
| guiverc | installer will examine hardware & change default if your hardware matches rules it has (ie. switching to OEM or GA stack if your hardware perfectly matches a special case) | 03:53 |
| en1gma | ahhh ok. so how do i see which one im on actually? | 03:54 |
| en1gma | what is GA? | 03:54 |
| guiverc | GA is the most stable kernel stack; 5.15 for 22.04 being default for server installs, plus desktop flavors of 22.04 & 22.04.2 (but not flavors of 22.04.2 or later).. | 03:55 |
| guiverc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack | 03:55 |
| en1gma | 'glxinfo -B' = "Device: AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT (navi21, LLVM 16.0.6, DRM 3.54, 6.2.0-36-generic) (0x73bf)" | 03:55 |
| guiverc | sorry 22.04 & 22.04.1 for flavors; 22.04.2 for flavors (& later) default to HWE | 03:55 |
| guiverc | 5.19 is the 22.04.2 kernel at HWE, 6.2 for 22.04.3, 6.5 for 22.04.4 | 03:56 |
| en1gma | yea when i installed 22.04.3 i knew it had kernel 6.2 | 03:56 |
| en1gma | 32.10 has kernel 6.5 | 03:57 |
| en1gma | 23.10* | 03:57 |
| en1gma | did i install the correct driver amgpu-install from amd? "amdgpu-install_5.7.00.48.50700-1_all.deb" or should have i used this "amdgpu-install_5.7.50701-1_all.deb" | 03:59 |
| en1gma | http://repo.radeon.com/amdgpu-install/ | 03:59 |
| en1gma | they have directories labeled "23.20.00.00.48" and "5.7.1" with the names i mentioned above. both are dated sept 28th 2023 | 04:00 |
| en1gma | well the 23.20.. is dated sept 29th and the 5.7.1 is dated sept 26th | 04:00 |
| en1gma | is one for rocm and the other one dont have rocm support? | 04:01 |
| en1gma | im pretty confused especially when it dont show up in software updater when the amd repos are added | 04:02 |
| guiverc | sorry en1gma, I can't advice with drivers in relation to amd gpu's; I'd be guessing | 04:04 |
| en1gma | https://pastebin.com/vCcYfnUj | 04:04 |
| lotuspsychje | en1gma: amdgpu should be loaded automaticly as module | 04:04 |
| en1gma | thats my output from sudo apt search amd | grep installed | 04:04 |
| lotuspsychje | if not, somethings wrong and your dmesg should be investigated | 04:05 |
| en1gma | oops | grep amd | 04:05 |
| en1gma | lotuspsychje are you talking about on a default install of 22.04.3 amd64 desktop? | 04:05 |
| en1gma | i followed a guide to install the amd proprietary driver | 04:05 |
| en1gma | amd guide where you download the drivers | 04:06 |
| en1gma | well the amdgpu-install file anyhow | 04:06 |
| en1gma | so do an lsmod | grep amd? | 04:07 |
| Bashing-om | Enissay: ' sudo lshw -C display ' > configuration: driver=amdgpu ? | 04:07 |
| lotuspsychje | en1gma: https://linuxconfig.org/amd-radeon-ubuntu-20-04-driver-installation | 04:07 |
| en1gma | https://pastebin.com/N1sTSzWz | 04:08 |
| arraybolt3 | guiverc: thanks for the link, got swappiness set to 100 now. | 04:08 |
| Bashing-om | en1gma: ^ sorry fror the bad high light Enissay :( | 04:09 |
| en1gma | lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/cuXSzf6N | 04:09 |
| en1gma | Bashing-om its all good | 04:10 |
| en1gma | i guess i should try pyrit and then i will know if its all working the way its supposed too but i need to install so much because basically i have a fresh install (barely setup my settings) installed hexchat and the amdgpu-install thing | 04:11 |
| en1gma | pytorch* | 04:13 |
| Bashing-om | en1gma: Looks good to me -- on amdgpu driver :D | 04:20 |
| en1gma | but is the amdgpu driver the same as the one that gets installed with a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04.3 or is it the binary proprietary driver from amd which is not free and dont get installed by ubuntu 22.04 | 04:27 |
| en1gma | are the same driver? im not sure because i didnt check the default driver thats installed with a fresh install of ubuntu 22.04.3 | 04:28 |
| en1gma | im not sure what the default driver looks like with 'glxgears -B' for ubuntu 22.04.3 fresh install. i followed the guide to install the amdgpu-install too fast before checking | 04:29 |
| en1gma | i only know what driver looks like now after i did that amdgpu-install script so i cant compare | 04:29 |
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| tylnesh | Ho, boy, haven't used IRC in ages :D | 10:28 |
| fweht | irc is nice, ppl are nice here | 10:29 |
| weedmic | isn't this room IRC? | 10:36 |
| jailbreak | weedmic: yes. | 10:36 |
| jailbreak | tylnesh: /join #ubuntu-offtopic | 10:36 |
| jailbreak | *this is a support channel* | 10:37 |
| kostkon | !support | 10:37 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 10:37 |
| jailbreak | kostkon: thanks. | 10:37 |
| HiHarry | whois HiHarry | 11:43 |
| stenno | cogito ergo sum | 11:44 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 14:26 |
| Guest92343 | Hello | 14:36 |
| paul424 | helllo, I m going absolutly crazy, How I can get rid of this window when logging to skype ? | 15:26 |
| paul424 | it says : | 15:26 |
| paul424 | the login keyring did not get unlock when you logged (in / or out never mind ) into your computer ;... | 15:27 |
| paul424 | what does it mean .... How I am supposed to get rid of that ? | 15:27 |
| mtn | paul424: turn off autologin, so you give your password to login to the desktop | 15:28 |
| paul424 | I need autologin -- people at the school here aren't so tech savvy in here | 15:31 |
| paul424 | I need autologin -- people at the school here aren't so tech savvy in here | 15:31 |
| paul424 | upps | 15:31 |
| mtn | they don't know how to enter a password? yikes | 15:32 |
| paul424 | yikes... cause windows doesn't require one ... then they expect linux to work in the same way... | 15:34 |
| mtn | ha ha | 15:34 |
| paul424 | mtn, what to do ? | 15:35 |
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| johnfg | hi folks! | 16:53 |
| johnfg | I'm getting ready to install ubuntu on a new laptop. I note in the install notes, "For this tutorial, we will use the Ubuntu 23.04 release which uses the new Ubuntu Desktop installer that will be included in all future Ubuntu releases." | 16:54 |
| johnfg | Well, 23.04 isn't available it doesn't look like, and 23.10 shows that it's using the 'legacy desktop installer'. | 16:55 |
| johnfg | I'm confused. | 16:55 |
| johnfg | On one of my other machines, I'm running current, 22.04 with all updates, and, of course, I love it. Was there a problem with the new installer? | 16:56 |
| arraybolt3 | johnfg: where do you see the legacy installer showing up? | 17:29 |
| arraybolt3 | Pretty sure the new one is available. | 17:29 |
| toddc | johnfg: 24.04 is the latest long term support and recommeded version | 17:30 |
| toddc | 23.10 is the latest but only has 9 months of support testing version | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | toddc: Unless you're time-travelling, April 2024 (24.04) hasn't ocurred yet, so having a long-term support 24.04 isn't possible (unless you typo'd that). | 17:39 |
| arraybolt3 | toddc: *22.04, 24.04 is in active (early) development. | 17:39 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer is faster than me | 17:40 |
| Eickmeyer | 23.10 is out of testing, so is a full-fledged release, don't call it a "testing version" please. :P | 17:41 |
| johnfg | toddc: On ubuntu.com/download/desktop, they state that 22.04.3 is the latest LTS version. | 17:58 |
| toddc | 23.10 is a current release but not a LTS and for new user 22.04 LTS is my recommeded version based on 12 years of installfests Better? | 17:58 |
| toddc | johnfg: yes | 17:58 |
| johnfg | So, just to be sure, there is no 24.04 available yet, right? | 17:59 |
| toddc | correct | 17:59 |
| toddc | https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop#1-overview | 17:59 |
| toddc | ubuntu has a great step by step guide above | 18:00 |
| toddc | and feel free to ask any questions | 18:00 |
| johnfg | What about my question about the new vs. the legacy installer? | 18:01 |
| johnfg | On that page it said that 23.04 had the new installer that would be used on all future releases, but 23.10 has the legacy installer. | 18:02 |
| kopachke | names | 18:02 |
| toddc | johnfg: both work but use the one built into the version you are goind to work with | 18:02 |
| toddc | going | 18:03 |
| toddc | there are a few differnt options for advanced users but assuming your this is your first ubuntu install stick to defaults | 18:04 |
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| wad | Is there an "about" dialog on Ubuntu Desktop that shows me stuff about the OS, like what version it is? | 19:31 |
| toddc | wad: settings/about | 19:32 |
| wad | So... I feel dumb, but where do I find "settings"? | 19:34 |
| wad | I swear I've clicked everything, lol | 19:34 |
| toddc | wad: assuming ubuntu Gnome 22.04 click top right corner a drop down window will appaear click on settings in the new window scroll to the bottom and find about | 19:36 |
| toddc | wad: other desktops or DE put it in different locations so if you do not find it check back here | 19:38 |
| wad | Okay, I'm back. | 19:56 |
| wad | Clicked on the top-right icon (shows a network icon, a speaker icon, and a power icon). Dropdown has: Volume slider, "Wired connected", "balanced", "lock", and "power off". | 19:57 |
| wad | "uname -a" shows "Linux steve 6.2.0-36-generic #37~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 9 15:34:04 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux" | 19:57 |
| wad | Something is weird with this box. | 19:59 |
| toddc | wad: settings should just under balanced if not it can be checked other ways | 19:59 |
| wad | Ah, under there is "power settings". | 20:00 |
| wad | When I click it, nothing happens... let me tail the syslog..... | 20:00 |
| wad | Aha! syslog has "Nov 14 15:00:18 steve gnome-shell[5248]: Settings panel for desktop file gnome-power-panel.desktop could not be loaded!" | 20:01 |
| wad | Imma google it | 20:02 |
| wad | Running "apt install gnome-control-center" | 20:03 |
| wad | I HAVE SETTINGS NOW!!! | 20:03 |
| * wad does the happy dance | 20:03 | |
| Kadigan | Reminds me of the old days of Win98, when I "accidentally" uninstalled IE. :D | 22:40 |
| Kadigan | Had no idea it'd kill the desktop while it's at it. :D | 22:40 |
| en1gma | is there an irc channel for ubuntu arm64 desktop? | 22:58 |
| en1gma | or is this the support channel for that too? | 22:59 |
| JanC | en1gma: you can also try #ubuntu-arm but here should be okay too (especially for anything that isn't ARM-specific) | 23:05 |
| en1gma | JanC thanks | 23:06 |
| en1gma | yea i got a couple arm specific questions so i better join there. thanks | 23:06 |
| JanC | Kadigan: you could always run an alternative DE on Win98... | 23:07 |
| Kadigan | I ended up switching to `progman.exe` for that, for about a month, before I learned of System Restore. :D | 23:07 |
| Kadigan | Fun fact: I learned how to replace `explorer.exe` with `progman.exe` as a means of pranking friends. Never ended up pranking *anyone*, but it did save my goose that one time. :D | 23:08 |
| JanC | I used https://bb4win.sourceforge.net/ for years | 23:08 |
| JanC | it had panels, multiple workspaces, etc. | 23:10 |
| JanC | anyway, that's off-topic here :) | 23:12 |
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| bray90820 | With the 23.10 installer how long should detecting file systems ttake? | 23:20 |
| JanC | I assume that depends on how many filesystems there are | 23:24 |
| bray90820 | Just 1 winows 10 | 23:25 |
| JanC | if it's just 1 disks/partition it shouldn't take long | 23:25 |
| JanC | if you've been waiting for minutes that seems wrong | 23:26 |
| ZaY | hi | 23:26 |
| ZaY | I am a beginner I have no basis for vps I am learning step by step I want you to help me please | 23:28 |
| ZaY | ubuntu | 23:28 |
| bray90820 | Yeah I waited like 20 minutes | 23:28 |
| khazakar | Chill, just tell what's going on | 23:29 |
| ZaY | I want to learn | 23:32 |
| ZaY | please | 23:32 |
| khazakar | What exactly? | 23:32 |
| ZaY | people don't want to help me anymore | 23:33 |
| ZaY | vps ubuntu | 23:33 |
| ZaY | ALL | 23:33 |
| khazakar | And what with it? All is not precise enough. Pick your VPS provider and start after you pick one | 23:34 |
| Kadigan | I just finished talking with this guy. He needs some good resources to start - in French if possible. Can you give him some pointers? He wants to set up a VPS webserver with Wordpress. I suggested a local installation first - PC or VM. | 23:35 |
| Eickmeyer | !fr | 23:35 |
| ubottu | Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper «/join #ubuntu-fr» ou «/join #ubuntu-qc». Merci. | 23:35 |
| khazakar | PC/VM I would also pick first | 23:35 |
| khazakar | And read about classical thing - LAMP.stack | 23:36 |
| khazakar | After setting it up, I would read WordPress docs how to set it up | 23:36 |
| ZaY | I host two servers at ovh to install what I want for example znc | 23:37 |
| ZaY | urealircd anope WordPress | 23:37 |
| ZaY | and every time I can't do it | 23:37 |
| khazakar | And voilà :) | 23:37 |
| ZaY | sorry | 23:37 |
| khazakar | Read documentation for things you want to set up and try again | 23:38 |
| Kadigan | ZaY: do not try to do too much immediately. Understanding takes time. | 23:38 |
| khazakar | When you will find any obstacle, just reach out on project IRC channel :) | 23:38 |
| khazakar | And start from basics | 23:38 |
| khazakar | OS instalation, installing webserver like apache, lighttpd or nginx, setting up MariaDB/PostgresSQL as database etc | 23:39 |
| khazakar | One at a time | 23:39 |
| Kadigan | Also, read the introductions and "about" for things as well, not only the step-by-step guides. Step-by-step is for those who need it working, not necessarily to understand how it works. | 23:40 |
| khazakar | Kadigan: +1 | 23:41 |
| ZaY | ok | 23:43 |
| ZaY | thinks so mutch | 23:43 |
| acidic-addax | abraxas | 23:47 |
| acidic-addax | a | 23:47 |
| acidic-addax | b | 23:47 |
| acidic-addax | r | 23:47 |
| acidic-addax | a | 23:48 |
| acidic-addax | cad | 23:48 |
| acidic-addax | send azazel to | 23:48 |
| acidic-addax | secure | 23:49 |
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