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johncenawassup dude03:54
johncenass03:54
johncenaanyone on03:55
LnxGnomejohncena: for a few more min03:56
johncenai installed eurolinux it can't connect to wifi help03:56
LnxGnomeWhat have you tried?03:57
johncenanothing just grab the iso. it dont recognize wifi adapter03:57
LnxGnomewhich version of the iso? what wifi adapter?03:57
johncenatp link 725n, latest from their website03:58
LnxGnomeSeems EuroLinux is a CentOS knock-off.  This is a Ubuntu support chat.  The internals are quite different.  You'll probably have better luck asking on a eurolinux forum.04:01
LnxGnometp-link does offer a linux driver, so that's good.04:02
johncena___just tried again. 86x64 format .iso latest. installed on usb, reboot. can't detect wifi adapter04:03
leftyfbjohncena___: sorry, but we only support Ubuntu here. You'll have to seek support with Eurolinux elsewhere04:03
LnxGnomeEuroLinux is hardware-compatible with any device certified for Red Hat® Enterprise Linux® and Oracle® Linux. The list of certified hardware for EuroLinux is therefore the same as the list published by the manufacturers of these systems.04:03
johncena___if i don't have wifi in the live iso. will anything change if i install it04:04
leftyfbjohncena___: sorry, but we only support Ubuntu here. You'll have to seek support with Eurolinux elsewhere04:04
LnxGnomejohncena___:  you're asking the wrong people really.  You'll have a better shot with Google, euro-linux.com04:05
lotuspsychjejohncena___: or make your life easy, and download an ubuntu iso and get support here every day04:05
LnxGnomelotuspsychje: excellent answer!04:05
johncena___nah ubuntu from even the home page tells you they share data with aws.04:06
johncena___no point in going linux and then installing ubuntu. i'll just install windows in that case04:06
leftyfbjohncena___: good luck04:06
lotuspsychjelol04:09
JMichael1netplan is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. Just upgraded, belatedly, from 21.10 to 22.04, and lost all of my network settings on an ubuntu server installation. Omg, does every last tutroial suck, thus far.05:52
JMichael1tutorial*05:52
rfmJMichael1, try just reading the real docs at netplan.io, I never had the least problem05:56
JMichael1rfm: All right, I will have a look05:57
rfmJMichael1, I can imagine upgrades going bad, but once you get on the train it's pretty nice.05:59
JMichael1rfm: Thx for the encouragement, and that's good to hear.06:00
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Yakovmy syslog folder hit 40GB with no reason08:22
Yakovhow to trail problem?08:22
CosmicDJYakov: find the biggest logfiles, figure out which process/service is writing them, turn off debug logging and/or use logrotate08:24
Yakovits syslog  (/var/log) how to disable loging for that?08:27
CosmicDJYakov: see /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf -> "*.*;auth,authpriv.none          -/var/log/syslog" almost everything ends up in /var/log/syslog, look which source is writing the most08:29
Yakovi found that exact files it contains over million lines08:29
Yakovfile*08:29
CosmicDJlogrotate and /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog should compress/rotate that file; but again, unless your server is running for years and that file has never been rotated, it shouldn't be that big; find out which service/process is spamming your log08:32
Yakovit must be my logger08:32
Yakovwhich I use for application08:32
Flohello guys , can someone explain me this pls , sysadmin@localhost:~$ cd ~root08:46
Flo-bash: cd: /root: Permission denied08:46
Flosysadmin@localhost:~$ cd ~/root08:46
Flo-bash: cd: /home/sysadmin/root: No such file or directory08:46
Flosysadmin@localhost08:46
CosmicDJFlo: you don't have permission to change to roots homedir (~root), there is no root directory in ~sysadmin08:47
Floi was not the root user so how can i see where his home is ? , I thought only the user how is logged in has permissions to see the home direktory so the ~ symbol does not mean my home dir ?08:50
EriC^^Flo: ~root means root's home, ie /root08:51
CosmicDJFlo: because every homedir is in /etc/passwd which every user can read; that's why your shell knows where ~root is08:52
CosmicDJFlo: ~ without any valid username is your current user homedir08:52
Flothank you CosmicDJ08:53
Flothat really helped me alot understanding linux08:54
spinningcat__hey10:00
spinningcat__i try to connect staarbucks connection with ubuntu and i got Error performing TLS handshake: The Diffie-Hellman prime sent by the server is not acceptable (not long enough).10:00
spinningcat__but in phone i can connect that wireless fine10:00
spinningcat__why can that happen?10:00
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leisenfeldere10:47
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FKAShinobiDoes Ubuntu manage memory like other distros? I have 32GB and just rebooted I'm showing 29GB free and 1.7 GB used for buffers/cache. I thought the linux kernel allocated most memory for buffers/cache and only kept a small amount as free.13:30
BluesKajHi all13:31
CosmicDJFKAShinobi: just like any other distro, you have to use your system (i.e. read files) to fill your buffer/cache13:32
FKAShinobiCosmicDJ, The problem is that with using over time the memory starts to show almost all _used_ The buffers/cache pretty much stay constant. That's after closing apps and just having a shell open.13:34
leftyfbFKAShinobi: that's not a problem13:35
leftyfbthe memory is just reserved, not committed. It can still be used if needed13:35
CosmicDJFKAShinobi: also, the kernel allocates (most) memory on demand, so you'll start with lots of free/available memory when the system was just (re)booted; the more/bigger files you read, the more "buff/cache" will grow, the more programs you start, the bigger "used" will be13:38
FKAShinobileftyfb, CosmicDJ: So where do I find the amount of memory available to be used my more programs (without paging to disk)?13:45
CosmicDJFKAShinobi: terminal -> free -m "available"13:46
FKAShinobileftyfb, CosmicDJ: So once the kernel starts using the free memory and those processes die, I assume that the kernel just keeps that memory reserved but not committed and lists it as used for the remainder of it's uptime. Is that correct/13:49
FKAShinobi?13:49
leftyfbcorrect13:51
FKAShinobiThank you both13:51
chilverscI thought reserved would still be released once the process terminated?13:52
CosmicDJwhat? are you sure? why should the kernel reserve memory for terminated procs?13:52
leftyfbbuff/cache is what is available but "reserved"13:53
leftyfblook at the "free" command13:53
CosmicDJe.g. I run a simple C-program that does malloc(4g) and then quits, that 4g would not return to the free list but would be forever remain reserved?13:54
leftyfbhttps://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/server/linux/check-memory-usage/13:54
chilverscI don't actually see the term reserved anywhere in free, or meminfo?13:56
HabbieCosmicDJ, it would definitely become free again - but just the malloc might not have taken 4G of actual memory to begin with, if the process did not use the memory14:00
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CosmicDJcalloc then? :)14:01
Habbieyes, that would cost actual memory/swap14:01
ash_worksipkgs are "kept back" when they have deps that need to be upgraded too, right?15:43
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coderman1where do i go to permanently add a dns server to my resolv.conf? that file has a comment at the top that says to not manually edit that file15:44
ravage!phasedupdates | ash_worksi15:44
ubottuash_worksi: Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT may hold back some updates on some systems while they are being phased in. This is called "phased updates". See https://ubottu.com/y/phased and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info.15:44
leftyfbcoderman1: change it in your network settings. Either Network Manager if you're using desktop or your netplan if you're using server15:45
ravageis 23:10 already on netplan too? i never checked15:45
leftyfbcoderman1: if you are only set to DHCP, then I recommend making the change to the nameserver setting on your DHCP server (more than likely your router)15:45
ravagei heard somewhere that everything will be netplan. just not when :)15:46
leftyfbravage: regardless if the backend config files are saved to /etc/netplan or /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections, if they have a GUI, they should us the GUI to configure network settings15:47
ravagethat was not my question but thx15:47
coderman1leftyfb, it seems like netplan has not even been configured on this server. this is no config file15:47
leftyfbcoderman1: is this running a desktop GUI?15:48
coderman1no on server15:49
leftyfbcoderman1: then you're either not running a supported release of ubuntu or you've removed netplan15:49
oerheksls /etc/netplan15:49
coderman1there is a netplan directory, just no config file in it15:50
ash_worksiravage: is that the _only_ reason one would get this message: "The following packages have been kept back:" ?15:51
ravageit is the most common15:51
leftyfbcoderman1: ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt policy netplan.io ; apt policy ifupdown ) | nc termbin.com 999915:52
ravageash_worksi: it can also happen if you use 3rd party package sources15:52
ash_worksiravage: so there's nothing else that would say "due to phasing" or something that would make me feel certain I'll get them eventually?15:53
ash_worksiravage: they're all from /jammy-updates15:53
coderman1i fixed it by copying a netplan config file from another server and using netplan try/apply15:54
coderman1thank you!15:54
leftyfbcoderman1: you should really figure out why it was missing in the first place and if there was network connectivity, how there was network connectivity without a netplan config,15:55
ash_worksiwhattya know, they have a bug report about that (ambiguous message)15:57
LnxGnomeJMichael1: netplan definitly needs some work. I've found faulty logic in it that I had to write a patch for.16:12
SquareAnyone using Discord on ubuntu? Do you use the stable version or canary?16:47
Square...and how do you keep it up to date?16:47
leftyfbSquare: the snap package will automatically update16:48
Squareleftyfb, canary or stable?16:48
leftyfbSquare: type this into your termina16:49
leftyfbSquare: type this into your terminal: snap info discord16:49
Squareleftyfb, yes?16:50
leftyfbSquare: that will tell you what versions are available16:51
Squareleftyfb, I'll ditch the canary and run the stable for a while16:54
leftyfbSquare: you do understand that the "stable" and "canary" versions of discord are both the exact same version at the moment right? So I'm not sure why canary even matters to you16:55
Squarei used to run the stable release from snap, but that spammed my syslog into oblivion. That's why I switched to canary16:55
SquareSeems like the "stable" still has some syslog spamming going, even if using the "snap connect discord:system-observe" command.16:56
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diegojahola17:05
diegojasaludos buen día17:05
diegojaSaludos buen día17:07
diegojasoy nuevo con este juguetito17:07
diegojaalguien vive ahiii17:10
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elias_aTrying to install a fresh installation of 23.10 on thinkpad x230. UEFI selected in BIOS. If I try manual partitioning, the dropdown menu entry of the disk where bootloader should be installed remains grey. Is this a known bug?17:55
oerheksmaybe not a bug, what disk is selected to boot UEFI from?17:58
oerheksif it is a different disk, yes, the bootloader option should not apply to that disk17:58
ubuntuproinfo system17:59
elias_aoerheks: The same and only SSD in the laptop.18:00
leftyfbelias_a: can I ask why you need to do manual partitioning?18:01
elias_aleftyfb: Because I like to keep /home on a separate partition to keep things more simple.18:02
leftyfbelias_a: If you ask me, that gives no benefit and only complicates things18:02
elias_aleftyfb: Quite the contrary. It is far more simple to backup a whole partition when needed.18:03
leftyfbelias_a: I disagree18:04
oerheksthen it is greyed out, as the EFI partition is already there?18:05
oerheksnot sure how to see this18:06
elias_aleftyfb: You are free to disagree. There's no faster way to make a full backup of user data than copying the whole /home partition.18:10
leftyfbelias_a: rsync18:10
PeGaSuSI don't like to cross-post, but I got no answer elsewhere:  what can I do to see why my Ubuntu server seems to hang out at "Fetched X B in Ys (Z B/s)"?18:11
leftyfbelias_a: unlike and image, rsync doesn't copy empty space18:11
elias_aoerheks: This was a user error. The selection of boot device has to be made first and then create the partitions. Can not recall if this has been the case before...18:11
oerheksdid you select' use whole disk' ?18:12
elias_aleftyfb: Not significant if using a HDD dock.18:12
elias_aoerheks: Nope18:12
chilverscPeGaSuS: when doing what?18:12
PeGaSuSjust after "apt update" is stays there18:13
PeGaSuSI even had to hit Ctrl-c after 1h or something18:13
chilverscPeGaSuS: is that while updating any specific package?18:26
PeGaSuSchilversc: not that I remember off18:27
chilverscPeGaSuS: I would start by running apt with various debugging enabled18:27
chilverscPeGaSuS: e.g. https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/apt/apt.conf.5.en.html#DEBUG_OPTIONS18:29
InDa_How do I remove the manufacturer's logo when starting Ubuntu?18:29
PeGaSuSwhich ones are useful to run? I have no idea of what is useful or not18:30
leftyfbInDa_: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/splash-screen18:31
leftyfbInDa_: wait, that might not be right18:31
InDa_Oh...18:31
InDa_Thanks18:31
leftyfbInDa_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth18:31
InDa_:)18:31
lotuspsychjeelias_a: wich flavour does that occur on, and lvm or regular install?18:33
chilverscPeGaSuS: not sure, I'd just try ones that look like they could be related18:34
chilverscPeGaSuS: aquire http/https could be useful if its a download issue, along with the pkgAcquire options18:34
chilverscPeGaSuS: another thing to check might be the ps tree while apt is stuck, maybe its running a script in the background that's hit an issue18:35
LoZioNebuonasera a tutti, ho una domanda riguardante un floppy-disk USB.Viene montato e riconosciuto perfettamente,non gli ho dato il montaggio automatico (non mi interessa),però ho notato che hanche da smontato (lo vedo da gestione dispositivi e dischi e dispositivi),lo sento tikkettare (il suono del lettore che normalmente emette.Non dovrebbe smettere se lo smonto come periferica?18:44
leftyfb!it | LoZioNe18:44
ubottuLoZioNe: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi «/join #ubuntu-it» senza virgolette)18:44
PeGaSuSthis is all I got so far with `sudo apt -o Debug::Acquire::http=1 -o Debug::Acquire::https=1 -o Debug::pkgAcquire=1 update`: https://paste2.0bin.xyz/view/04d8f45118:50
BearnuxHey, how do I get latest development Wine running on Ubuntu 23.04? They only seem to have an old version in their repositories18:51
elias_alotuspsychje: Regular install.18:57
elias_alotuspsychje: Probably a user error. It's a long time I did an install from scratch.18:58
lotuspsychjeelias_a: i recently saw a lubuntu 24.04 bug similar, but that was for lvm only18:59
chilverscPeGaSuS: and that's the point where it hangs?19:00
Bearnuxchilversc yeah seems like its stuck there19:01
PeGaSuSchilversc: yes. it doesn't continue after that.. last time it was stuck for 3h before I use Ctrl-C19:01
chilverscPeGaSuS: it's likely some sort of issue with a script or other process that's running after the fetch, though it appears that so far all its done is fetch the list of packages from the repositories19:03
PeGaSuSI can't really understand thiss. it used to work okay and all of a sudden it doesn't19:05
chilverscI'm wondering about the integrity of the local package database, but not sure of the dpkg command to verify it19:06
chilverscannoyingly trying to search for it just brings up lots of info about verifying packages19:06
chilverscmaybe; dpkg --audit?19:06
PeGaSuSno output with `dpkg --audit`19:08
oerheksold, but usefull https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure19:09
oerheksPeGaSuS, maybe it is better to pastebin the whole output first.19:10
PeGaSuSI need to execute all commands from step 6? worth to mention that this is a server, though19:12
oerheksno19:14
oerhekswithout the full output of your update upgrade command, we can go wild random, but that is not usefull19:14
PeGaSuSthis is the mpst far that my `apt upgrade` goes: https://paste2.0bin.xyz/view/04d8f45119:15
PeGaSuSI mean `apt update`19:16
rfmPeGaSuS,  is the disk full?  Also, try fsck on the disk (best from a live cd boot if you can)19:16
PeGaSuSstill 1.7T to disk fuull19:17
PeGaSuSalso, this is a remote server, so not possible to boot from a live ISO19:17
BearnuxHey how do i get latest development Wine running in Ubuntu ? Only old version seems available through repositories19:21
PeGaSuScan I just do `apt dist-upgrade`? or `apt update` is always needed?19:22
arraybolt3Bearnux: Install from Wine's repos, not Ubuntu's.19:22
ravageBearnux: afaik wine offers a repo. keep in mind 3rd party repos are not supported here19:22
JanC"apt update" gets the list of current packages; without it APT can't know what new packages are available...19:23
arraybolt3Ubuntu purposefully ships an older one for stability's sake, but you can get new ones from Wine themselves. They should provide support for it if you end up needing help.19:23
BearnuxHello everyone! How does one run Steam with Proton Experimental and Lutris at same time without having issues like game crashing when alt tabbing out of it19:23
ravagePeGaSuS: if update does not finish you dont get any new packages trough the upgrade command19:23
Bearnuxarraybolt2: Thankyou very much for your help !19:24
PeGaSuSweird.. `aptt dist-upgrade` says that there are 15 packages to be upgraded19:24
Bearnuxravage : Understood , thank you .19:24
ravagePeGaSuS: then do those updates first19:24
PeGaSuSI'll give it a shot and see19:24
JanCthere are several repositories (updates, security, etc.) so maybe some were updated19:25
PeGaSuSstupid idea: is there a way to purge apt cache? so it needs to re-fetch all data?19:26
ravageapt clean19:26
JanCapt clean only deletes downloaded .deb files19:26
JanCI think?19:26
ravagei think so yes19:27
ravage i think cleaning out /var/lib/apt/lists/* should work?19:28
ravagelike a crude "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*" ?19:29
JanCI don't see any errors in that "apt update" log, so that command is probably looking at the wrong debug stuff19:30
ravageit may be some hook that comes after it19:31
ravagebut i dont really know how to debug that. except a process trace maybe19:31
BearnuxJanc : Thanks for your help , but how does one get Wine development version from official repo instead of third party ones   Bearnux19:31
ravagemaybe strace would at least show if it at least tries to do anything19:32
ravageBearnux: you dont19:32
ravage!latest | Bearnux19:32
ubottuBearnux: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.19:32
Bearnuxravange thanks !19:32
BearnuxThankyou very much Ravanve and everyone else who helped me today . Have an awesome day !!19:33
ravagei will forward that to this Ravanve when i see him19:33
Bearnuxubottu thankyou sir! I understand now :)19:34
Bearnuxalright, got it. Thanks anyways.19:34
Bearnux!ppa19:34
ubottuA Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge19:34
Bearnuxthanks again everyone , have great evening / morning .19:35
Bearnuxoops wrong window19:35
vermitrallпривет)19:44
Bearnuxvermitrall I think you need to go to #ubuntu-ru19:50
Bearnuxsorry my bad19:51
PeGaSuSI'll be damned.. even after a `apt dist-upgrade` the `apt update` still hangs. the hardware isn't fast (Kimusifi, OVH branch with cheap dedicateds due to older hardware) but still.. I've `apt clean` and even `sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*` but still no cigar20:07
ravagePeGaSuS: did it ever work? do you remember what you did before it stopped working?20:08
ravageis it maybe posible to just backup and reinstall?20:09
PeGaSuSit always worked.. I have no idea what made it stopped working.. same packages for the last year, basically20:09
PeGaSuSI can't backup since it's a remote server20:10
spacefrogCan I talk without logging into my user?20:10
spacefrogI see no objections, so here we go!20:11
spacefrogI have a brand new Latitude 7440, with a fresh install of 22.04, but my camera doesn't work.20:11
spacefroga few forum posts suggest adding some ppas, but add-apt-repository fails when sudo add-apt-repository20:12
spacefrogany suggestions?20:13
CosmicDJPeGaSuS: hangs where? Did you try another mirror (maybe OVH has one)? did you run apt update with strace?20:15
toddcsudo add-apt-repository ppa:<ppa_name>20:15
spacefrogtoddc: that is the command i am trying. however, i get a crash, and the OS wants me to report it to devs20:15
spacefrogcan't get past that stage20:15
JanCPeGaSuS: I assume the VPS has enough RAM?20:16
JanCand strace might help to find what it is doing when it hangs indeed20:17
toddcis this the guide you are look ing at? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1473289/integrated-camera-not-working-on-dell-latitude-7440-and-7340-ubuntu-22-0420:17
PeGaSuSJanC: 4Gb and about 2Gb free20:18
spacefrogtoddc: that is it20:20
PeGaSuSI think I'll have a break. my nose hurts (had a septoplasty yesterday) and I need to lay down a bit20:21
spacefrogi solved the issue. When connected to work via vpn, that repo is unreachable20:25
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spacefrogWifi is also a big issue with Ubuntu on this laptop20:37
spacefrogIt seems to be very common thou20:37
spacefrogback to Windows it is. Thanks. what a dumpster fire this OS is20:38
JanC...20:39
JanCif your hardware doesn't work you should complain to the manufacturer...20:40
CosmicDJJanC: he left already... guess he's a quitter20:41
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oerhekshttps://askubuntu.com/questions/1473289/integrated-camera-not-working-on-dell-latitude-7440-and-7340-ubuntu-22-0420:49
oerheksafter bing; brand new Latitude 7440, with a fresh install of 22.04, but my camera doesn't work.20:49
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topolinHello, i can't decrypt my root partition using a custom kernel, anyone using liquorix with Luks partition?22:10
topolinanyone?22:20
Habbie!liquorix22:21
Habbieah, bot doesn't know liquorix22:21
ravageIf you have a an issue with a custom kernel ask the projects support channel22:22
topolini am, nobody is replying yet is a full channel22:22
toddctopolin: most of are working other jobs and check here when we have a free second but if anyone has a adea they will reply when there see your post22:25
toddcusing a non-supported kernal creates another level of issues22:26
ar__Anyone with printing problems in 23.10?22:42

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