| meena | this sounds confusing, https://jobsfordevelopers.com/jobs/gcp-cloud-engineer-ii-at-rackspace-com-oct-26-2023-f89122 | 00:01 |
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| minimal | meena: I didn't know Microsoft and Linux were languages lol | 00:20 |
| minimal | I guess Bash could be "loosely" described as a configuration management system ;-) | 00:20 |
| minimal | holmanb: apparently virt-install is deprecated in RHEL8+ https://blog.wikichoon.com/2020/06/virt-manager-deprecated-in-rhel.html | 00:24 |
| minimal | holmanb: "some advantage to not using virt-install?" it maybe not be packaged for a particular distro? It's just a frontend to creating/manipulating libvirtd's XML which, as the article I earlier referenced, you can do directly | 00:26 |
| holmanb | minimal: "Also, I'm distinguishing virt-manager UI from the virt-manager project, which includes tools like virt-install. I fully expect virt-install to be shipped in RHEL9 and actively maintained (FWIW Cockpit uses it behind the scenes)." | 01:18 |
| holmanb | minimal: that's from the blog post you linked | 01:19 |
| holmanb | So virt-install isn't going anywhere I guess? | 01:19 |
| minimal | holmanb: doh! Once again my own fault from not reading the whole article in details lol. Strange though: " I'm distinguishing virt-manager UI from the virt-manager project", I thought virt-manager was basically really just a UI | 01:28 |
| minimal | anyway to restate once again, libvirtd does not require or assume virt-install, it's just an optional easy way to create VMs rather than manipulating the XML descriptions using virsh | 01:29 |
| holmanb | minimal all good | 07:37 |
| holmanb | For me though I prefer a front end to xml. Hurts my brain and I'd rather just not, though I see what you're saying. | 07:38 |
| holmanb | I remember using expat years ago to write a high performance XML parser in C | 07:43 |
| * holmanb shudders | 07:43 | |
| holmanb | That was a project I was tasked with ^^ | 07:44 |
| holmanb | What I didn't know at the time was that the performance bottleneck was in the serialization of data, not the deserialization. | 07:45 |
| holmanb | so my effort was wasted - had I just used perf I could have saved myself a lot of pain | 07:46 |
| holmanb | I later rewrote the whole tool by reverse engineering the underlying library (it was undocumented and I didn't have the source) and calling the symbols that did what I wanted. | 07:49 |
| holmanb | Then I found the source and felt pretty dumb for having figured out the library by trial and error. | 07:52 |
| holmanb | That implementation was fast enough, but in retrospect I don't think anyone actually expected me to solve the problem they asked me to solve. | 07:52 |
| holmanb | And I'm sure the code I wrote back then was horrifying | 07:53 |
| holmanb | it was one of those: let's give the new guy a hard problem and no direction and see what happens | 08:16 |
| holmanb | sink or swim is an awful thing to do to people but it was the culture there | 08:19 |
| meena | 07:52 <holmanb> That implementation was fast enough, but in retrospect I don't think anyone actually expected me to solve the problem they asked me to solve. ← hah! | 13:26 |
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