[00:01] <bray90820> Yeah it's not my computer so i have to send you a really crappy picture
[00:01] <bray90820> https://imgur.com/a/J50CZeN
[00:02] <Habbie> the apt would be more interesting
[00:04] <bray90820> Whatdo you mean?
[00:04] <Habbie> the dpkg output is as expected
[00:04] <Habbie> the apt install -f output would be interesting
[00:07] <bray90820> yeah the guy isn't acvalable rtght now and I don't have a picture to give but it askes to remove teamviewer
[00:25] <Guest43> hello. what makes some of the newer Microsoft fonts, like Calibri and Cambria, not render as nicely on Ubuntu, specifically in Libreoffice? how could I make them render as nicely as the other fonts, like Liberation Sans or even Arial?
[00:26] <Guest43> I've copied the .ttf files for Calibri and Cambria directly from Windows 10 into /usr/share/fonts.
[00:26] <rbox> maybe some fontconfig settings
[00:28] <Guest43> apparently, the fonts caladea and carlito are similar, and they are in the repositories
[00:29] <Guest43> if I write a document using one of these fonts, and then export the document to .pdf format, what happens if someone views the document on a Windows PC, or tries to print it? does the .pdf format embed the fonts used?
[00:30] <webchat3> How can I recover my existing session?
[00:30] <webchat3> When I turn my machine back on I can't start, now the installer appears and it also doesn't work.
[01:00] <BlackDalek> hi. Does anyone know how to get iptux out of background? I can't unhide it. I can't find the config file to fix it
[01:01] <BlackDalek> I don't seem to have a gconf.xml file anywhere
[01:03] <BlackDalek> Where do I find the config file for iptux?
[01:05] <BlackDalek> This page must be outdated because %gconf.xml doesn't exist at any of the locations suggested.  please help. https://askubuntu.com/questions/156995/iptux-always-runs-in-background
[01:06] <BlackDalek> my iptux is hidden and I am trying to unhide it
[04:57] <buggerino> hi. if my admin password is weak on Ubuntu, will hackers install hax on my PC? on windows, the login-password for a PC isn't exploitable over the web, but is it for an ubuntu installation?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !security | buggerino
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> !sudo | buggerino
[06:17] <dt> s
[06:17] <dt> Hows everyone
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> !chat | dt
[06:20] <dt> oi
[06:36] <alprolife> hello to all! anyone can help me with this problem, when I open Remmina in ubuntu desktop I saw every time this notification the application want to inhibit shortcuts .. I want to disable this notification .. anyone know how to disable it ? thx
[06:39] <dt> iiddk
[06:55] <RjG> anyone kn ow how to get the kdump modual working?  no option for it appears in grub, have to use the lunar kernel on mantic to install it but so far no luck getting it to work and I need it to work on the mantic kernel whici is panic rebooting.
[07:08] <alprolife> hello to all! anyone can help me with this problem, when I open Remmina in ubuntu desktop I saw every time this notification the application want to inhibit shortcuts .. I want to disable this notification .. anyone know how to disable it ? thx
[09:26] <CoOlGhOsT> Hey. Trying to install Ubuntu 23.10 (dualboot) on an 2017 iMac. Installer fails at "unshare --fork ...." with exit code 2: "EFI variables are not supported on this system." - anyone with an idea to fix this?
[10:52] <cc77> I´m having an issue with RDP´ing into my Ubuntu Desktop. I goto to settings (app) --> Sharing --> Remote Desktop --> Authentication --> <set a password> and I can connect. But after a reboot (or other process) the authentication password has automatically been regenerated.
[10:52] <cc77> How do I set the password for it to always stay that way?
[11:13] <Strykar> On Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, is it possible to install a recent 5xx.xx.x series Nvidia driver with CUDA version 11.x?
[11:39] <alprolife> hello to all! anyone can help me with this problem, when I open Remmina in ubuntu desktop I saw every time this notification the application want to inhibit shortcuts .. I want to disable this notification .. anyone know how to disable it ? thx
[11:46] <akik> alprolife: what does inhibit shortcuts mean?
[11:46] <alprolife> akik: Nu știu ..
[11:46] <akik> wat?
[13:30] <wad> Hi folks. Just installed Ubuntu desktop. This machine has 128GB of RAM. But `cat /proc/meminfo` and htop only report 16GB. Thoughts?
[13:35] <wad> (1 sec, switching my irc client to a different machine, so I can reboot this one and run memtest.)
[13:35] <wad> (back)
[13:42] <wad> Okay, so memtest86+ isn't in the grub menu, and it looks like it's a hassle to add it. Continuing to search for why this box isn't recognizing my RAM.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:44] <wad> Wait, now it's reporting the 128GB!
[13:44] <wad> What happened? So weird!
[14:34] <hid3> Greetings everyone. One of the servers in our estate got compromised. Someone (I know who) connected to it using root's SSH key and dis sth nasty. Luckily, it was the only one server affected. However, there are others with same SSH key in our DMZ. Question: what steps should I take to change the SSH keys?
[14:41] <CosmicDJ> hid3: maybe it was a dumb idea to let others log in as root in the first place?
[14:45] <hid3> CosmicDJ: I'm not the senior in this field at that company. Neither I do any decisions, nor rake responsibility on what has been done previously... I'm just assisting in incident resolution.
[14:45] <hid3> and indeed, I completely agree with you
[15:16] <leftyfb_> hid3: delete the public key everywhere it exists and create a new one. The server that got compromised is considered permanently compromised and needs to be wiped and rebuilt
[15:20] <leftyfb> hid3: by "new one", I do mean a new key pair. Don't just generate the public key from the compromised private key
[15:25] <pickanick> If "dig $HOST" always gives a  new WHEN at a SERVER != localhost, does that mean that DNS caching is not working? (Ubuntu 22.04)
[15:27] <pickanick> also resolvectl statistics does not report more hits (nor more misses) after dig is run repeatedly on the same domain.
[15:28] <zoomm10> eftyfb_: I agree... wiped and rebuilt
[15:30] <zoomm10> before that: dd the disk for future investigation...
[15:30] <leftyfb> pickanick: no, that's just a timestamp
[15:33] <leftyfb> pickanick: https://askubuntu.com/a/1281629
[15:48] <ashafq> How do I remove a partially install package?
[15:48] <ashafq> Now apt is stuck...
[15:49] <lantech19446> sudo apt --fix-broken install
[15:49] <ashafq> I was trying to insall linux-tools-common, but I forgot I installed linux-intel-tools
[15:49] <ashafq> lantech19446: That tries to reinstall linux-tools-common and fails.
[15:50] <lantech19446> did you try sudo apt purge linux-tools-common
[15:50] <ashafq> https://paste.debian.net/1298498/
[15:51] <ashafq> lantech19446: ^ that's what I get
[15:51] <centHOGG> also might try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[15:52] <leftyfb> ashafq: sudo apt remove --purge linux-tools-common linux-intel-tools
[15:53] <leftyfb> ashafq: sudo apt remove --purge linux-tools-common linux-intel-tools linux-intel-iotg-tools-common
[15:54] <ashafq>  no luck. I have a broken install now 😞
[15:54] <lantech19446> what happens when you run apt update?
[15:54] <leftyfb> ashafq: please pastebin the output
[15:55] <ashafq> leftyfb: https://paste.debian.net/1298499/
[15:56] <ashafq> lantech19446: update also fails
[15:56] <ioria> ashafq, sudo dpkg -i  --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-tools-common_5.15.0-88.98_all.deb
[15:57] <leftyfb> ioria: it's probably a good idea to get to a good state first
[15:57] <ioria> ok
[15:57] <ashafq> ioria: Thank you!
[15:57] <ashafq> that worked
[15:57] <ioria> ok
[15:57] <centHOGG> good job
[15:57] <leftyfb> while that might work, it's still going to leave linux-intel-tools-common and linux-intel-iotg-tools-common installed and broken
[15:57] <ashafq> ioria: Now, I am finally able to upgrade!
[15:58] <ioria> good
[15:58] <leftyfb> ashafq: sudo apt remove --purge linux-intel-tools linux-intel-iotg-tools-common
[15:58] <leftyfb> I would remove those now if you can
[15:59] <ashafq> leftyfb: Don't I need those for my custom kernel?
[15:59] <ashafq> leftyfb: I mean, for the Intel oem kernel.
[15:59] <leftyfb> ashafq: why do you need that?
[15:59] <hid3> leftyfb: thanks for advice regarding SSH keys. Done that, tested on a couple of servers, new regenerated keys seems to work. And as for the compromised server, yes, we switched it off and restored yesterday's VM backup of it. Since it was issue in firewall, we blocked SSH access from the outside world. Should give us some time to make proper, permanent and secure solution
[16:00] <ashafq> I tried to install linux-tools-common to get access to cpu scaling feature to run benchmarks.
[16:00] <ashafq> But, I forgot that linux-intel-iotg-tools-common already has that.
[16:01] <centHOGG> whats ur system specs?
[16:01] <ashafq> centHOGG: It's the framework laptop with 12th gen Intel
[16:02] <centHOGG> kk
[16:02] <centHOGG> have you ever tried the passmark bench for linux? its pretty dinky but it gives a baseline imho
[16:03] <ashafq> centHOGG: Well, it's for running google benchmark
[16:03] <centHOGG> mmkay
[16:03] <ashafq> Comparing different algorithms. Does passmark do this?
[16:04] <leftyfb> feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:04] <centHOGG> idk really, just check it out for a baseline number to compare between systems
[16:04] <centHOGG> kk
[16:07] <pickanick> so why does not resolvectl statistics change after dig or curl  ?
[16:09] <leftyfb> pickanick: what probably are you trying to solve exactly?
[16:10] <pickanick> "Temporary failure in name resolution" in the middle of a yt-dlp download.  (Context: over a wg session)
[16:11] <leftyfb> pickanick: I would investigate issues with the wireguard session and not DNS caching
[16:11] <leftyfb> pickanick: run a ping to public ip and then kick off yt-dlp and see if the ping pauses or times out
[16:13] <pickanick> If resolved is caching locally, and the download is successful for a time, I would expect that DNS resolution would not go out over wg, but this might be wrong.
[16:15] <pickanick> pinging
[16:19] <pickanick> If cache size is 2, does that mean that only two entries are stored in cache?  Is this configurable?
[16:21] <oktech> Hi :)
[16:33] <BlackMage> hello
[16:34] <BlackMage> i have a macbook mid-2012 and the speakers don't working
[16:34] <ravage> maybe they are just broken?
[16:34] <BlackMage> i have kernel Linux version 6.2.0-36-generic
[16:34] <ravage> did it ever make sound recently?
[16:35] <BlackMage> In any case, they worked perfectly
[16:35] <BlackMage> but recently I haven't tested it
[16:36] <BlackMage> i have motherboard Mac-6F01561E16C75D06
[16:36] <leftyfb> BlackMage: revert to the previous kernel
[16:36] <ravage> so did sound work on this installation?
[16:37] <ravage> like on a previous kernel?
[16:37] <leftyfb> 6.2.0-36 also broke sound on my Dell XPS 13
[16:37] <leftyfb> I reverted and it's working fine
[16:37] <BlackMage> yes in the past, but i dont know whether that was the last kernel
[16:37] <leftyfb> it was more than likely the last kernel
[16:37] <ravage> maybe you could just use the non-hwe kernel in general
[16:37] <ravage> tha will still give you updates
[16:37] <BlackMage> oh, ok thanks for the information
[16:38] <leftyfb> just boot to the previous kernel
[16:38] <BlackMage> what is the latest non-hwe kernel?
[16:38] <ravage> 5.15 or so?
[16:38] <leftyfb> just boot to the previous kernel, 6.2.0-35
[16:38] <ravage> not exactly shure
[16:38] <ravage> but check if the previous kernel fixes it
[16:38] <ravage> it should show up in your boot menu
[16:38] <BlackMage> ok i try it
[16:39] <ravage> leftyfb: is there a bug report about that?
[16:39] <leftyfb> not sure, haven't had the time to look
[16:40] <ravage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/2040020
[16:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2040020 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[82WR, Realtek ALC287, Speaker, Internal] No sound at all" [Undecided, New]
[16:40] <ravage> realtek?
[16:41] <pickanick> leftyfb: If cache size is 2, does that mean that only two entries are stored in cache?  Is this configurable?
[16:41] <leftyfb> ravage: nope, Intel
[16:42] <leftyfb> ah
[16:42] <leftyfb> ravage: ok, so I found a post saying something about missing firmware. There was just a linux-firmware update today. Maybe that fixes it
[16:44] <ravage> somehow that happens a lot yes :)
[16:46] <Yakov> hey there, how to access ubuntu chat logs?
[16:46] <ravage> shouldnt the kernel log complaint about missing files then?
[16:46] <ravage> Yakov: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:47] <BlackMage> :D Linux version 6.2.0-35-generic works perfectly
[16:47] <leftyfb> ravage: fixed
[16:47] <BlackMage> thanks
[16:47] <leftyfb> BlackMage: hold on
[16:47] <leftyfb> BlackMage: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:47] <Yakov> ravage: which one https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/11/18/
[16:47] <ravage> Yakov: the one you want logs of
[16:48] <leftyfb> BlackMage: you should have a linux-firmware update. That should also fix the issue with the 36 kernel
[16:48] <Yakov> this :)
[16:48] <ravage> so #ubuntu.txt it is
[16:49] <BlackMage> ok and i must recreate the kernels?
[16:49] <ravage> it should do that for you
[16:49] <ravage> create a new initramfs
[16:49] <ravage> just reboot
[16:49] <leftyfb> BlackMage: just do the updates and reboot and let it boot into the latest kernel.
[16:50] <BlackMage> and how can i resolve
[16:50] <BlackMage> cryptsetup: ERROR: Couldn't resolve device
[16:50] <BlackMage>     UUID=143cbda1-e27e-4bd5-a1ca-f9a85f5c38ec
[16:50] <leftyfb> BlackMage: is something not working for you?
[16:50] <BlackMage> it occurs on update-grub
[16:51] <leftyfb> BlackMage: why are you running update-grub?
[16:51] <ravage> is anything encrypted on your system?
[16:51] <BlackMage> i am not sure if standby works
[16:51] <leftyfb> I have yet to see a report of somrthing not working
[16:51] <ravage> if not check /etc/crypttab for that uuid and comment it out. but make sure you dont boot from that
[16:51] <leftyfb> BlackMage: don't run update-grub
[16:51] <leftyfb> BlackMage: just do the updates and reboot and let it boot into the latest kernel.
[16:51] <leftyfb> BlackMage: no other actions needed
[16:52] <leftyfb> I wouldn't touch crypttab
[16:53] <BlackMage> and after upgrade of linux-firmware the new kernel should work?
[16:53] <leftyfb> that's the theory
[16:53] <leftyfb> confirmed on my laptop
[16:53] <BlackMage> ok i reboot now
[16:54] <pickanick> why does systemd-resolved report:  Can do DNSSEC: no  and how can this (and the cache size) be changed ?
[16:55] <leftyfb> pickanick: why do you think you need DNSSEC?
[16:56] <leftyfb> pickanick: you reported an issue with your wireguard session and now you're going down a rabbit hole of messages from commands and logs you don't completely understand are going to make a much bigger mess if you start just changing things you assume should be different
[16:58] <ashafq> Is there a alacritty official package for Ubuntu?
[16:58] <ashafq> or PPA?
[16:58] <ravage> ashafq: https://snapcraft.io/alacritty
[16:59] <ashafq> ravage: thanks!
[16:59] <pickanick> I reported intermittent DNS errors *in the context of* a wireguard session.  This could be a network related issue, but if DNS caching is working successfully locally, would DNS still be troubled by a network / wg issue?
[17:00] <leftyfb> yes
[17:00] <leftyfb> pickanick: fix the network/wg issue first. Worry about DNS after if necessary
[17:01] <pickanick> What's the networking issue you have in mind? I'm not aware of one, I was just giving context in case that causes a complication.
[17:02] <leftyfb> pickanick: does yt-dlp work when not connected to wg?
[17:03] <pickanick> yt-dlp generally works fine while connected to wg.    I haven't tested it without wg because all the sites I use it with are not available without wg.
[17:04] <leftyfb> pickanick: your issue is with wg/networking. The DNS failures are a symptom
[17:09] <pickanick> Perhaps there were intermittent networking problems, and then the programs recovered and continue. Why aren't the used domains being cached locally?  Why only two domains are cached?
[17:14] <pickanick> I'm able to connect to these sites successfully (yes, firefox has an option of doing its own DNS, but curl? wget? Konversation? I don't think all these apps are doing their own DNS resolution. )
[17:16] <pickanick> I guess I could disable wg and see if the cache changes
[17:22] <pickanick> leftyfb: Ok I agree the DNS failures are related to wg; but how is it that I can , with wg, successfully connect to many domains without having the cache updated?
[17:24] <ravage> you make your DNS work over wg
[17:24] <pickanick> I thought that DNS queries would go to a remote DNS server only if it could not be satisfied locally, and once it was received from the remote DNS server, the local cache would be updated.
[17:25] <ravage> just make your dns available over wg
[17:25] <ravage> it will fix your problems
[17:26] <ravage> or do routing the right way so you reach your dns directly and not over wg
[17:26] <ravage> maybe try #networking for that
[17:27] <pickanick> I am having the remote peer be my DNS source.  I did not deliberately disable DNS caching.
[17:28] <ravage> ok. good luck :)
[17:28] <pickanick> I did not expect that those were incompatible choices.  Thanks for the suggestion to try #networking.
[17:30] <pickanick> ravage: by "make your dns available over wg" do you mean  DNS = $REMOTE_PEER in wg.conf ?
[17:45] <itu> "Disable of device-initiated U1 failed" - what is that meaning in syslog ?
[18:25] <ComputerTech> With my beats studio earbuds and my Ubuntu 23.10 lapptop, when i pause music, it always works, but unpausing/resuming music doesn't always work(doesn't work more than does)
[18:26] <ComputerTech> any ideas what's causing this? i tried looking through /etc/bluetooth/main.conf but couldn't find anything related
[18:30] <mra90> I noticed I have no dev_err output in the dmesg, how to enable it?
[18:33] <ComputerTech> Okay, so i can resume the music after i do "sudo service bluetooth start" but it's only temporary fix, any ideas?
[18:34] <ComputerTech> nevermind, that doesn't even provide a temporary fix
[19:10] <mcc> Hello, I am in a bit of an emergency situation. I have been using a new laptop with Ubuntu 23.10 for the last month. About half an hour ago Ubuntu asked if it could download new software and I said yes. The next time I tried to close and reopen the laptop, the password did not work; i could use gdm's upper right menu, but the bottom right menu and the password entry were totally unresponsive as was the keyboard. I then rebooted the
[19:10] <mcc> machine by entering "reboot" in a vterm, every boot since Linux prints the graphical startup with all the [OK]s, ending with "Started gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager.b10.service - Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of backlight:amdgpu_bt10…". Then nothing happens. I do not get a login and I cannot log in to X/Wayland. This is very sudden, I was supposed to have joined a video stream 10 minutes ago and am now late.
[19:12] <mcc> On some boots I can use ctrl alt fn FKEY to break into virtual terminals but not on others.
[19:20] <cbreak> mcc: can you boot into a recovery mode?
[19:20] <cbreak> (selected in grub?)
[19:21] <mcc> wait, i figured out the vterm problem
[19:21] <mcc> cbreak:I'm sure, but what would be the point of it, since I can also just type ctrl-alt-fkey and log in to a virtual terminal?
[19:21] <mcc> or is recovery mode expected to have GUI?
[19:22] <cbreak> I think there's safe graphics, but not sure if that'd work for you
[19:22] <cbreak> if I was in your situation, I'd try, if you can log in somehow, systemctl status gdm.service
[19:24] <JanC> always useful to have a live image on an USB ready for situations like that  :)
[19:25] <mcc> janc, i think i may have a live image, but what would you recommend i do with it?
[19:26] <JanC> you boot it & join the video stream from that?
[19:27] <mcc> Cbreak: I can log in at a virtual terminal. Running that printed this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xDYlhscI/DSC_0000_BURST20231118142629210_COVER.JPG
[19:27] <JanC> then you can solve the noot issue when you have time later
[19:28] <mcc> hm, i think installing and configuring obs from scratch on a livecd might not be more practical than fixing the issue. but i guess it depends on what fixing the issue turns out to entail.
[19:30] <cbreak> mcc: did an upgrade fail / get interrupted?
[19:30] <cbreak> I think apt can try to reinstall stuff somehow
[19:31] <mcc> cbreak: no. there was an upgrade, which claimed to have succeeded.
[19:31] <JanC> do you know what packages were installed/updated in that upgrade?
[19:31] <mcc> what "stuff" would your recommend reinstalling?
[19:32] <mcc> janc, no, it just popped up with the normal software updater, said it wanted to upgrade packages, I said yes and passworded, then this happened
[19:32] <mcc> i imagine this is in the dpkg logs somewhere tho
[19:32] <cbreak> it seems to complain that dbm crashes with a core dump
[19:33] <cbreak> I'd try to find out why, maybe by starting it myself
[19:33] <mcc> indeed
[19:33] <JanC> I always check beforehand what packages will be upgraded (especially when I have important stuff to do later)
[19:33] <JanC> but it would be in dpkg/apt logs indeed
[19:33] <mcc> I wouldn't have expected that to be necessary in an operating system shipping in 2023
[19:33] <cbreak> systemctl cat gdm should show you how gdm is started
[19:33] <cbreak> I'd then try to do the same with sudo
[19:34] <mcc> I previously installed systemd-coredump, but I don't find anything in /var/lib/systemd/coredump
[19:34] <cbreak> mcc: I think your situation isn't expected :(
[19:34] <JanC> checking the system logs (journal) might be useful too
[19:34] <cbreak> true
[19:35] <mcc> if i run sudo /usr/bin/gdm3  it just prints "trace/breakpoint trap"
[19:35] <cbreak> that's not helpful :(
[19:36] <mcc> i'm trying to dig through my notes to find where i wrote down the logs for dpkg and the journalctl flags to get useful output but it's hard because there's no gui on the affected machine lol
[19:36] <cbreak> I'd probably debug it remotely via ssh, then at least you have copy & paste and a proper terminal
[19:37] <cbreak> but that requires a second computer
[19:37] <mcc> hmm well i do have a second computer (windows). that should have occurred to me
[19:37] <mcc> ssh i mean
[19:38] <mcc> lots of core gnome stuff upgraded in that last aptdaemon upgrade
[19:38] <mcc> mutter-common-bin, libmutter, mutter-common, gir1.2-mutter, gnome-control-center, linux-firmware, ubuntu-advantage-tools all look suspicious
[19:40] <JanC> I doubt ubuntu-advantage-tools are relevant
[19:41] <mcc> Gdm: GdmSession:no session desktop files installed, aborting...
[19:41] <mcc> it prints this to journalctl immediately before running trap int3
[19:42] <cbreak> so looks like it voluntarily terminates because of that, and doesn't actually crash
[19:42] <cbreak> probably some assertion failure
[19:42] <cbreak> but I have no idea what the problem means
[19:43] <mcc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/2006590
[19:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1717878 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm3/gdm-session-worker crashed with SIGTRAP logging 'GdmSession: no session desktop files installed, aborting...' from get_fallback_session_name from get_default_session_name from get_session_name from get_session_filename from gdm_session_is_wayland_session" [Medium, Triaged] [duplicate: 2006590]
[19:44] <mcc> it appears i don't have internet.
[19:44] <mcc> temporary failure resolving ca.archive.ubuntu.com whenever i attempt an install
[19:44] <cbreak> hmm... if I understand that correctly, a session desktop file is something like "kde with x" or "gnome with wayland"
[19:45] <JanC> it says "sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-session" could fix this
[19:45] <mcc> yes, i just tried that, and it couldn't resolve ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:45] <cbreak> mcc: can you ping 1.1.1.1 or similar?
[19:45] <mcc> that's very odd as wifi was working fine before.  does wifi require internet?
[19:45] <mcc> ping 192.168.0.1. ping: connect: Network is unreachable
[19:46] <mcc> sorry i meant to ask: does wifi require gui?
[19:46] <cbreak> your networking via wlan might somehow require a login
[19:46] <JanC> you can use nmcli or nmtui
[19:46] <cbreak> and if login is done via part of the GUI / Desktop, then that might have gotten lost too
[19:47] <mcc> well i guess i'm glad i have onboard ethernet. one second
[19:47] <JanC> or that :)
[19:47] <joao> Hellow
[19:47] <cbreak> yay... one more reason to get something like a framework
[19:48] <mcc> yes, i have been somewhat wishing i'd bought a framework instead of this thinkpad
[19:48] <mcc> although i don't know how many of my problems are hardware related
[19:48] <cbreak> this is probably some ubuntu weirdness
[19:48] <cbreak> can't imagine HW being the cause
[19:48]  * cbreak isn't super imaginative though
[19:49] <mcc> okay. "progress", i guess…
[19:49] <mcc> i ran sudo /usr/sbin/gdm3 after running that reinstall command
[19:49] <mcc> now the laptop is locked up fully
[19:49] <mcc> no keyboard, no vterms, no ctrl-c
[19:50] <mcc> which is … i guess … different …
[19:50] <JanC> it might be caused by a specific combination of circumstances that common enough to have multiple users report it but not common enough to easily reproduce & fix it...   :-/
[19:50] <mcc> well the initial problems i had seemed to be related to any amd video card
[19:50] <mcc> and many people reported it, there is a very busy bug on launchpad
[19:50] <mcc> similarly i find a copy of my current mystery bug on launchpad…
[19:51] <mcc> Ah! Wonderful ! that fixed it!
[19:52] <mcc> I will be posting on launchpad later i guess
[19:52] <mcc> thank you so much for the assistance
[19:52] <mcc> i am still not used to Systemd World
[19:52] <JanC> it seems like under certain circumstances 'ubuntu-session' gets removed
[19:52] <JanC> that's one reason why I always check what an upgrade will do  :)
[19:54] <cbreak> it's one reason I have root-on-zfs with snapshots :)
[19:54] <cbreak> (and no, this isn't something for everyone)
[19:55] <mcc> looks like it wasn't the auto update, this just… happens.. anytime you apt install fuse
[19:55] <mcc> like the auto update was unrelated, i installed fuse a couple hours ago, because i needed fuse, and apparently that set a time bomb that was going to go off the next time i entered gdmn
[19:55] <mcc> gdm
[19:55] <mcc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1717878
[19:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1717878 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "gdm3/gdm-session-worker crashed with SIGTRAP logging 'GdmSession: no session desktop files installed, aborting...' from get_fallback_session_name from get_default_session_name from get_session_name from get_session_filename from gdm_session_is_wayland_session" [Medium, Triaged]
[19:57] <mcc> i have some more questions, specifically why apt-get now wants to autoremove "xwayland" (which sounds very bad), but I will ask them later
[19:58] <JanC> are you sure you needed fuse (and not fuse3)?
[19:58] <mcc> I do not know the difference.
[19:59] <mcc> I needed to run an appimage. The instructions I saw say that appimages require fuse.
[19:59] <JanC> it seems like installing 'fuse' (FUSE v2.x) removes 'fuse3' (FUSE v3.x)
[19:59] <mcc> Would that affect gdm3 somehow?
[20:00] <cbreak> if gdm3 has fuse3 as dependency, it might get removed along
[20:00] <mcc> also that's… very bad… for apt to do without a warning i feel like D:
[20:00] <cbreak> it probably warns, but with all the output apt has probably not in any way that's easily spotted :(
[20:01] <JanC> that's why APT (by default) gives you the chance to check before executing a change  :)
[20:06] <JanC> I don't think fuse3 is a hard dependency of gdm3, but maybe it needs it in some circumstances/configurations...?
[20:07] <JanC> seems like gnome-control-center & gvfs-fuse need fuse3
[20:14] <mcc> If I say apt-get install fuse, I would expect that would install the newest version of fuse, not downgrade fuse.
[20:16] <mcc> I don't look at the "installing/uninstalling!" lines when I apt install. Maybe I should, but apt has trained me not to. But if I had looked, I would have seen it was uninstalling fuse3 and I'd have assumed it was *upgrading* fuse, presumably to a hypothetical fuse 4, not downgrading it. I don't know what the current version of fuse is & wouldn't expect knowing about system libraries to the extent you know about fuse 2 vs fuse 3 required
[20:16] <mcc> Just my opinion… D:
[20:17] <JanC> the 'fuse' package contains v2.x, 'fuse3' contains the latest version, and when it is installed (which it is by default) it "provides" 'fuse', so such a downgrade should only happen if another package explicitly says it needs 'fuse' 2.xx
[20:18] <JanC> well, maybe you said you explicitly wanted 'fuse' instead of 'fuse3' and that's what happened...
[20:20] <JanC> I'm not sure why the old 'fuse' package is still needed to be honest... maybe there is something that doesn't work with the newer version?
[20:23] <mcc> janc, yes, i understand why it happened now. however, i did not at the time. i said I wanted "fuse", just fuse. it makes sense to me that old packages could be available somewhere in the repo for unusual purposes but not that an unusual (and, apparently, system-breaking) version of an old package would be installed as the *default* if you do not request a version.
[20:23] <mcc> if i already had fuse 3, i definitely wouldn't want to downgrade to fuse 2. but it wouldn't have occurred to me that's something i need to keep an eye out for. :(
[20:24] <JanC> that's not what happens
[20:24] <JanC> fuse3 is the default, and is installed by default
[20:24] <mcc> when i told it to install fuse, i was simply trying to confirm i already had fuse.
[20:25] <mcc> as an end user, i would not agree i ought to maintain a mental distinction between "fuse" and "fuse3".
[20:27] <cbreak> it's stupid naming
[20:27] <cbreak> same with python :(
[20:28] <JanC> package names are often historical artifacts
[20:32] <JanC> mcc: did anything tell you to install the 'fuse' package explicitly? you might want to warn them...
[20:43] <mayo> hi
[20:53] <JanC> mcc: maybe next time you need something as a dependency use "apt satisfy" instead (no guarantee that that will never break anything, but it would have prevented the problem in this case at least)
[21:09] <Menzador> `sudo apt policy fuse` would also tell you
[21:10] <Menzador> And the same command with s/fuse/fuse3/
[21:10] <JanC> you should run that without 'sudo'!
[21:10] <JanC> and that assumes you are aware that both exist
[21:10] <Menzador> Oh it doesn't need sudo to run for that
[21:11] <JanC> nothing that just queries the APT database does
[21:11] <Menzador> Ah ok. 12 years of having some sort of Ubuntu system and...
[21:13] <JanC> would be nice if 'apt' would just ask for a password when needed
[21:14] <JanC> (basically re-run itself with sudo or a similar tool when the command needs it)
[22:45] <mojor> doctor sleep
[23:11] <taylor_> Hello, I am hoping that I got a notification sound working, would someone mind posting a response?
[23:12] <toddc> taylor_: sound
[23:12] <taylor_> guess not.
[23:13] <toddc> taylor_: no sound for you
[23:56] <joekn> Anybody having issues with multiple monitor setup through docking station on laptop with lid closed using NVIDIA drivers.  I resolved the issue, then had to reinstall ubuntu, forgot what I did and pretty much wasted a lot of time getting it to work again.  It is pretty finnicky a restart has to be done without my docking station plugged in, fully boot, then plug in the docking station, then the 4th monitor through hdmi
[23:56] <joekn> directly to montor - check refresh rates in the display settings (2 monitors 2k, 2 monitors 1080p) and everything works, but it kind of a shitshow - made my own help doc to follow now but know I have some errors hitting my log just tired of messing with it
[23:56] <joekn> Anybody have similar experience?