[00:00] oh [00:00] gcc13 doesn't really work yet [00:01] tanja_: I don't even use gcc12 because it's not proven to be stable or even especially functional yet [00:03] but since software ( including my own ) wont run on other systems even same OS after that PPA, so that is why the reverting. Well its a stable release from them. Also for me even gcc11 is way to old and un usable [00:03] yup [00:03] it's a bit of a mess [00:04] No its un useable because its way to old [00:06] tanja_: why, what's changed that means you can't use gcc 11? [00:07] But still when ever I compile specially my own things then I always compile with several versions to catch mistakes so alone on clang I'm testing with 11,12,13,14 and 15 and planned to test with gcc 10,11,12 and 13 [00:07] well [00:07] there's no accounting for taste, I guess [00:07] gordonjcp, there is to much from Cpp 23 that arent in it [00:08] [00:08] everything I write ought to compile on anything right back to GCC4 [00:08] tanja_: what's missing, that's so important? [00:09] guess you are a C98 programmer then [00:09] no, C89 [00:09] as far as possible [00:10] I dislike a lot of the pointless complexity and heiroglyphics-for-heiroglyphics-sake in newer C standards [00:10] "C++ Identifier Syntax using Unicode Standard Annex 31" that first came in GCC12, "Add support for preprocessing directives elifdef and elifndef" that was also first in GCC12 [00:11] well tbh I dislike C in general since it is so messy by nature wich is why I always stay at C++ [00:12] since their non namespace, non prober classes force messy call back functions etc [00:13] okay [00:13] don't use unicode in identifiers, and elifdef and elifndef sound like the sort of thing that are going to bite you on the backside in six months time [00:13] when you forgot why you were trying to be so cleverclever with preprocessor macros [00:14] But I do also have to say for me I try to stay at C++14/17 but I do have 2 projects there unfortunately rely on newer things [00:14] "rely" [00:14] right [00:15] gordonjcp, well I dont personally but I cant control what libraries does [00:15] because programming was impossible without variable names containing Laughing-Pile-Of-Poo-Holding-Liberia-Flag emojis [00:16] this is why computer software is in the mess it's in [00:17] yeah like why re invent the wheel like lets say I need base32 in a project then why recreate it myself then when there is a opensource library ( just as a general example ) [00:17] this is why you need 4GB of RAM (just checked right now) for Firefox to show a blank screen [00:18] Well Mozilla has been bad for years and garbage about ram. I do also have to say sadly Chomium has also caught up there [00:19] like I stopped using Mozilla when they completely killed their esr branch ( used that version since it werent so bloated ) [00:19] Unpopular opinion: The reason things are crap are not because our tools and libraries are better and easier to use, but because people with lower standards now use those QOL improvements as baseline instead of learning to do better. [00:20] s/are/is [00:21] You can learn to be better (less resource use, simpler/more efficient algos etc.), or you can use all of the QOL stuff to lower the bar and produce code that "works". [00:21] Kadigan: totally agree like the standard have really lowered, like now a days its not uncommon just to hear lets just ask AI without actually learning [00:21] Kadigan: we should only allow demosceners to write core libraries [00:21] oh you can't do Kefrens Bars in 512 bytes? [00:21] cool cool [00:21] no commit rights for you [00:22] Thing is, I really don't want to deny people. Sometimes you can find unorthodox, and sometimes even good, ideas in people who can't code for crap. [00:22] yes [00:22] but then these people do things like write Tesla Autopilot in nodejs [00:22] Making it easier enables those without ability to make things we're inspired by. Flip side: it also enables those without ability to make utter crap. [00:23] And I don't think you can have one without the other. [00:23] At least not with very stringent oversight. [00:23] without* [00:23] well you need that [00:23] otherwise you get Lennart Poettering [00:24] But then, for mission-critical stuff, we usually DO have stringent oversight. [00:24] who needs rolled down a steep hill in a barrel full of cat wee and contaminated sharps [00:24] Also, you need time to become better. The first things you make will be crap, by the virtue of them being the first things you made. [00:24] pulseaudio set back Linux on the Desktop by about ten years [00:25] Simple truth is: people don't give a crap. That's the long and short of it. You want things to be better - make people CARE. [00:25] Kadigan: yes but the problem is that people are taking their "toddler scribbles" code, and expecting everyone else to treat it like a core library [00:25] s/a [00:25] Someone is using those "scribbles", meaning someone's finding use in them. Maybe there's nothing better, or nothing that does it quite the right way? [00:26] (and yes, I'm aware that some people just reinvent the wheel, gods know I'm guilty of that sometimes - but then, that doesn't end up being a "core" library because SOMEONE will notice sooner or later) [00:27] And let's not forget! [00:28] There's also the other side of the coin: veterans who have lofty ideas about integration, simplification, and so on, who believe that THEIR way is the ONLY way, and end up all but forcing you to use their multiple-use base library (just because it's DA WAE), even if using a custom-coded one-off library would make it 500% faster... because STANDARDS. [00:28] We're not guilt-free in this. [00:29] It's just convenient to forget. [00:35] I mean, I doubt PulseAudio ended up becoming the de facto standard because some rookie decided it would. [00:36] And small oversights are common, even - maybe especially - amongst veterans. Here's a thought example: function calculateWordCount(string $body, string $lang = "English") {} [00:37] Specifying a default value for the second variable is nice for the author, but 5 years from now someone will not read the docs, apply this function to French, and end up with subtly wrong results. So it might actually be a better idea to NOT specify the default. [00:37] But is that something you think about in your day-to-day? [00:38] And yes, the fault lies with the person who failed to RTFM. But it could've been a little more robust, if at a cost of a tiny irritation, to begin with. [00:40] And gods know, I'm the most guiltiest of doing this to my own codebase. Because I KNOW IT, amirite? Why would I need to read the docs from a year ago? *sigh* [00:42] I *should* know better. And yet... [00:44] The higher up the skill ladder you are - the less you fail, but the more spectacular (and subtle) your failures. And more often than not, I find myself - surprisingly, for some reason! - living in a glass house, you know? [00:50] tanja_: The most critical ability a programmer must develop, in my opinion, is the ability to determine what tool is appropriate for what task, and when. This of course goes deep, because you need to learn to use various tools well before you can truly do that. Just because something exists doesn't mean you should use it here and now - you need to learn patience and retraint, the "zen" of programming. And I think that's not as much a failure of the newbies, [00:50] as it is ours. [00:50] restraint* [00:52] Schooling works by introducing more and more complexity to existing concepts (you don't introduce NEW concepts all that often). So why do we expect that handing everything out immediately will work here? I mean, it will - for those that are smart and pace themselves. But for everyone else... [00:56] Kadigan, well true but I'm sorry tbh gonna keep my mouth shut there since I know to many of the old people gets to defensive. And tbh I do apologize that I mentioned it [01:05] I too have a ton of respect to veterans. It is only thanks to what they've made that I can be here today. [01:05] But I think we should be able to look critically at everything, including our champions. [01:05] for* veterans [01:05] service guarnatees citizneship [01:05] heheh [01:05] But therein lies the rub, right? [01:06] Service only guarantees that you CARE, not that you're COMPETENT. [01:09] Or that you always will be, for that matter. [01:09] i should watch starship troopers again [01:10] Yeah, the movies are interesting enough that even KnowingBetter did a series on it. [01:10] (... I think it was a series, though his videos are quite long, so maybe I'm wrong) [03:59] there arent any more issues with the upgrade tool for ubuntu 22.10 to 23.04 right ? [04:00] i dont think anyone would ever say that there are no possible issues [04:00] but the system should offer you the upgrade now [04:01] 22.10 is EOL so it might be difficult without following the EOL Upgrade instructions. [04:01] !eolupgrade [04:01] think ubottu has issues [04:01] yeahhhhh.... [04:01] ope [04:01] !eolupgrade [04:01] thanks [04:02] oh i misread that version number [04:03] just reinstall really. [04:03] yeah^ [04:04] upgrading from eol releases 'can' be risky [04:04] End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [04:04] wow [04:04] heh [04:04] that is what i call lag [04:04] ubottu is drunk from the weekend :p === haggertk_ is now known as haggertk [04:44] I updated Ubuntu and now it will not boot. It takes me to an initramfs prompt [04:48] backup your files and install a supported release would be my suggestion [04:48] you can backup files from the live usb you install your new Ubuntu from [04:48] also maybe stick with LTS until next year [04:48] thats not an option [04:48] im not gonna reinstall [04:49] devslash: Try typing `exit` and pressing ENTER/Return. Did it scream "Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck!"? [04:49] ok. good luck then :) [04:49] no entering exit cause a kernel panic [04:50] im trying to boot off a usb diisk [04:50] OK. Force-restart your system and read the output. Most likely it can't find the partition on which Ubuntu's installed [04:51] Also, what Ubuntu version? Are you using RAID? [04:52] 23.04 no raid [04:53] What does it ask you before showing you the BusyBox version line? [04:53] i dont know [04:53] where do you mean [04:53] i dont know what that is [04:54] when I boot I get the grub menu but ubuntu is not on there [04:54] so I did set root=(hd0,gpt5) and then the linux and initrd command to boot ubuntu [04:55] Is that where the filesystem is? [04:56] the grub menu has 2 ubuntu memtest entries and windows [04:56] this is a laptop with only 1 drive on it that has both windows & ubuntu [04:57] Hi I have an ubuntu headless setup at home and I just did "sudo apt update" followed by "sudo apt upgrade" and after it successfully upgraded, I did "sudo shutdown -r now". Ever since then I can ping the box, but I can no longer SSH into it. It keeps saying connection refused. Any idea what I could have screwed up? Thank you. [04:57] NemosWhisper: what updated [04:58] NemosWhisper: but you'll have to get a serial console or a mointor to see whats actuallyg oing on [04:58] is there anything i can do to fix this [04:58] tevslash: There are a few possible causes for this, but usually there will be a bunch of output before it drops to BusyBox, such as requiring a manual fsck, or not being able to mount because it can't find the mountpoint [04:58] devslash: ^ [04:58] i dont see any messages like that [04:58] NemosWhisper: did you try to turn it off and on again? [04:59] rbox: https://dpaste.org/4EO7U [04:59] devslash: OK, then boot into a Live image and check what GParted says about your internal storage [04:59] I did [04:59] i can see it when i do fdisk -l [05:00] NemosWhisper: well openssh updated, that might have broken, systemd updated, that might have broken, ufw updated, that might have broken [05:00] devslash: What does SMART say? [05:00] the drive smart is fine [05:00] ah rbox I think I wasn't patient enough, I was trying for about 10 mins and it kept saying SSH connection refused but now it started working agian [05:00] my windows and ubuntu partitions are still there [05:01] lol [05:01] OK, hang on [05:01] brb [05:01] rbox: I appreciate you being so quick to help me :) [05:01] ok [05:04] devslash: What does your /etc/fstab look like? [05:04] i cant paste it here [05:05] but i can see my root partition [05:06] Do the UUIDs match? [05:06] i dont know [05:06] match with what [05:07] GNOME Disks and `parted` should tell you what each disk UUID is [05:07] ok i can see the uuid [05:08] i booted the live usb, mounted my root partition, mount proc, sys and dev in my root folder then did chroot [05:09] OK, I want to rule out the possibility of fstab using partition references and that the UUIDs are not mistyped [05:09] i dont know how to answer that [05:09] i dotn have anything to compare the uuids with [05:10] Do `sudo blkid` [05:10] ok [05:11] And then in a different terminal window `cat /etc/fstab` [05:12] ok the uuid is /dev/nvme0m1p5 [05:12] Also pay attention to the mount points [05:12] which is my ext4 partition [05:12] That’s not a UUID [05:13] what isnt [05:13] /dev/nvmen1p5 is not a UUID [05:13] my fstab shows the uuid of my paritition mounted on / [05:13] i know but i cannot paste it here [05:14] the uuid in /etc/fstab is the same as that device partition shown with blkid command [05:15] All right [05:16] Now reboot and press E to edit the Ubuntu boot entry [05:17] i dont have an ubuntu entry [05:17] it shows 2 memtest entries and Windows [05:17] ubuntu is no longer in the boot menu [05:19] Oh it’s gone [05:19] That’s a different problem then [05:20] yea. The ubuntu 23.10 install screwed things up for me [05:20] i tried booting from grub command but it then takes me to an initramfs prompt [05:20] So you’ll have to go back into your Live image, chroot back in, a — huh? [05:21] i did all that [05:21] im in it now [05:21] but i dont know what to do [05:21] Did you use `do-release-upgrade` to upgrade? [05:21] yes [05:23] Did it encounter errors? [05:23] no [05:25] OK, then reboot into your Live image, chroot back in, and do `sudo update-grub` [05:26] ok so that completed with no errors [05:26] is there a way to check grub before i reboot [05:26] or do i just have to try it [05:28] Reboot normally [05:29] so now theres no grub bootloader [05:29] its just hangs on a black screen [05:29] oh weird i had to press a key to make the grub menu appear [05:29] Timeout is hidden by default now [05:29] ubuntu still isnt on there any more [05:29] Not menu [05:30] Ok, still no Ubuntu [05:30] Word [05:30] Weird [05:31] Hit C for the grub cmd line [05:31] when i boot it still takes me to niitramfs prompt [05:31] When you type `set root=(hd0,` and hit TAB, what completions do you get? [05:31] it says no root device specfiiced. boot arguments must include a root= parameter [05:31] gpt1-5 [05:32] my partition for linux is hd0,gpt5 [05:32] OK [05:32] so i do set root=(hd1,gpt5) [05:32] Yes [05:32] then linux /boot/vmlinux and initrd /boot/initrd [05:32] then boot [05:32] then i see the message i typed above [05:33] It’s /boot/vmlinuz-{kernelversion}.efi [05:33] Right? [05:33] i didnt reference an efi file [05:33] no [05:34] This may not be an efi file [05:34] Depends [05:34] But you need a root= parameter that either specifies the /dev/ device file or its UUID [05:34] yea i did that [05:34] it doesnt work though [05:34] At the end of your linux line [05:35] set root=(hd0,gpt5) [05:35] No, not that [05:35] You have to specify it twice [05:35] specify what twice [05:35] you mean i have to do the set root command twice ? [05:36] You specify root=(hd0,gpt5) with the set command, and then in your linux line, you specify root=/dev/nvme{whatever} [05:36] Whatever the NVMe drive partition is named, that specific way, how you saw it in /etc/fstab [05:39] ok i did that [05:39] do i also need to do the linux and initrd lines [05:40] oh hey that did the trick [05:40] I wasnt specifying root in the linux command [05:41] that lets me boot up my existing ubuntu install [05:41] Now when you log in, make sure you update GRUB 2 [05:41] You may need to reinstall GRUB [05:41] upda-tegrub ? [05:41] update-grub ? [05:41] Yes, with sudo [05:41] If that doesn’t work, reinstall GRUB with the grub-install command [05:42] You’ll need the directory containing your EFI system partition for that if you reinstall [05:42] after doing that i ran grub-customizer and ubuntu is still not in the menu [05:43] update-grub is a verbose script [05:43] not sure hwat you mean by that but ok [05:44] Try reinstalling GRUB with grub-install; don’t forget the `--efi-directory=` switch [05:44] It’s verbose in that it tells you what it’s doing while it runs [05:45] same result [05:45] it refuses to add ubuntu to the grub menu [05:46] That is weird. A fresh 23.10 installation would fix this the quickest way. You can tell it to not touch your personal files in the installer… [05:48] Anyway I do have to go to bed… [05:48] fixed it [05:48] but thanks [06:05] hellooooooo [06:06] need to sett up pineaple [06:06] can som help mee [06:06] ? === TomTom_ is now known as TomTom [08:27] well ive got an thinkpad yoga 11e installed windows 10 and i happens to have few issues after downloaded ubuntu desktop.iso file and tried to install a fat32 partition but for some reason my laptop hasnt recognized the boot partition and everytime i restart or go into bios boot menu i cant find the partition in the list so the question is what am i doing wrong [08:27] fyi im using universal usb installer 2.0.0.1 since i dont have a usb drive tried to improvise (tried to be pro while im still a newb) i guess it didnt go to well :) [08:34] bizzy: while there may be a way I have not seen it done with out a usb or dvd or a separate hdd/usb hdd [08:40] booting a os --bios looks at the drive not the partion as far as I know normally a usb will install the bootloader to start of the drive ubuntu handle booting to both win and ubuntu [12:08] How do I turn off GSYNC in Ubuntu? I did nvidia-settings in terminal -> X Screen 0 -> OpenGL settings -> unclicked allow G-sync. It didnt disable it. I also wrote in terminal; "nvidia-settings -a AllowGSYNC=0", but this didnt work either [12:08] it still says GSYNC is on [12:09] im using ubuntu 23.10 [12:13] went from xorg to wayland just now, but wayland didnt even show any settings [12:13] so i went back to xorg [12:26] ok turns out i need to manually write: nvidia-settings -a currentmetamode="blabla {ForceCompositionPipeline=On, AllowGSYNC=Off}" ... Eventhough nvidia-settings -q AllowGSYNC gave 0 === remy_ is now known as Remy [13:32] Hi all [13:46] i want to use jet brains mono on gnome terminal [13:46] do i just need to put the regular font in /usr/local/share/fonts [13:46] or bold italic thin medium as well? [13:47] try it [13:47] can you suggest a command that would print bold or italic output [13:48] you can put new fonts in ~/.local/share/fonts too [13:48] ^ [13:48] bettah [13:49] > ~/.local/share/fonts [13:49] will this work as long as I'm logged in as my user [13:49] even if i use sudo? [13:49] why would you run jetbrains as root? [13:49] yeah, no need sudo [13:50] well ok i'll put it in ~/.local/share/fonts. but do i have to put bold and italic along with regular or will regular be enought [13:50] enough* [13:51] regular is mostly not a monotype font... [13:51] just try regular, and then if you need more install afterwards [13:51] or maybe it is, depends on the font [13:51] yeah in this case it's also mono [13:52] yeah i use nanumgothiccoding or something [13:52] and nk57 something [13:52] both mono [13:52] i just wish had something to test if the terminal is showing bold or not [13:52] i'll just put regular ttf file in ~/.local/share/fonts for now [13:52] good [13:53] just right-click on the window pane to see if any settings are there [13:53] terminal window pane [13:53] dumbledoor: there's a GNOME Fonts app... (see Utilities -> Fonts) [13:54] dumbledoor: otherwise google "bash print bold" will surely find smth [13:54] yea, i just saw that grep is bolding the text :) [13:55] i'll check with that [14:00] Good morning everyone, has anyone here used the mIRC BitchX script, do you know if it is possible to show the AWAY message on the channels? [14:02] k4k0: you don't show any away message on any channel [14:02] but it seems there was some way to show it with the /cset command [14:03] or am I mistaken hmm :S [14:04] k4k0: why do you think the whole channel cares if you're away or not? [14:04] avoid calling me. [14:04] ;x === BedMan_ is now known as BedMan [14:44] what s default version of postgresql in ubuntu server 22.04 LTS [14:46] webchat88: you can search for packages at https://packages.ubuntu.com [14:47] Thks ! [15:04] pretty sure it's 14 tho. [16:01] Hey everyone! I'm running Deluge from flatpak and I'm getting what looks like out-of-memory errors after ~6 hours or so... when I google for the error messages it seems like I'm the only one in the world with this issue. Is there anything I can look into? can I increase memory allocation for the deluge flatpak? [16:01] oh.. and I'm running Ubuntu 22.04.03 LTS with KDE [16:04] Slart: Is there a reason you can't use Deluge from Ubuntu's repos? Flatpak applications aren't supported by Ubuntu. [16:05] arraybolt3: I could be remembering things wrong but for some reason I switched to using the flatpak.. perhaps to get a newer version... but I guess I could go back to the regular packaged version... [16:07] Might help. I don't *think* Flatpak places memory usage limitations on apps... but I could be wrong, I don't know much about how those work. [16:08] for a while I figured it might be an issue with swap space.. or tmp space in the flatpak. But neither of those ideas really helped me [16:29] Slart: don't you get any more info in the log files? [16:31] nope.. not in any log file I can find at least [16:32] this is actually terminal output.. so not technically a log file [16:33] https://pastebin.com/h0tA4s0F <-- this is the output [16:34] I *think* it's an out of memory error... but my thinking hasn't helped me so far [16:34] why do you think that is a out-of-memory issue? [16:35] that is a warning, not even an error, does it actually show up when the crash happens, or some time before? [16:35] damn... tough question... if I google the error without mentioning deluge it seems that it eventually ends up as an proper out-of-memory error...but I'm just wildly guessing here [16:36] yes, it happens when the deluge gui gets non-responsive [16:36] one possibility is that there is a bug in the version in the flatpak... :) [16:37] yea... I just feel like there should be other bug reports out there [16:37] and the flatpak was actually updated yesterday... error still remains [16:38] maybe the flatpak-packagers or upstream Deluge developers have an idea what could cause that warning? [16:39] yea, perhaps [16:40] I think, deep down, I just wanted someone to say "oh, that's easily fixed.. just set dont_crash = true in deluge.ini"... but alas [16:42] that is certainly something that Deluge developers/users are more likely to know [16:43] if the version in the Ubuntu repositories work & you don't need features in a newer version, you could use that; or there are also other torrent applications of course... [16:43] yea, I might just go back to the standard repository version... [16:44] what's the best way to transfer files from one ubuntu computer to another on the same network ? [16:45] ph88: Have you tried SCP? [16:45] no [16:45] ph88: that also depends on whether you do that often or not [16:45] i don't know yet how often [16:46] e.g. you could set up Samba, but that might be a bit much if it's just a one-time thing [16:46] isn't samba for windows ? [16:47] it's like & compatible with Windows shared folders, yes, but it works on linux [16:47] if you have ssh on all computers, you can use sftp [16:48] would like to mount the folder from the other computer in nautilus [16:48] you can do that with both Samba & ssh/sftp [16:52] do i need to setup security for samba for when i take my laptop somewhere else ? [16:52] nfs is also an option... but perhaps not for a one time thing [16:56] ph88: supposedly there is a "Local Network Share" option when you right click a folder you want to share files from in Nautilus [16:57] JanC, oh that's nice right from the GUI and it asks me to install samba [17:00] I have never really done it that way myself :) [17:02] ph88: samba gui is nice as you can toggle it off and on as needed----off when on a untrusted network [17:03] or just enable it when you need it (that way you can't forget) [17:17] Hi everyone. I'm running Ubuntu Server 22.04.3 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) with Linux kernel 5.15.0-37-generic. [17:17] Seems like there's a security issue with this version. However, even though I'm using default repositories, I can't see any updates regarding this kernel. What would you suggest? [17:17] Hi all, I'm running an app on my ubuntu headless setup which opens a web server on a port which I configure. I set it to run on port 9090 and I made sure to allow port 9090 from any IP in my local network, but when I try to connect to it, I get connection refused message in my browser. Without plugging in a monitor to my headless server, is there a way to confirm the web server is actually running? [17:18] NemosWhisper try running "netstat -tulpn" as root and see whether 9090 is listening by a process [17:20] webchat45: thanks, yep the app running the webserver is listening on port 9090 [17:21] webchat45: what do you mean by "seems like there's a security issue"? [17:21] than that means web server is actually running. try to connect it through your own web browser like localhost:9090 [17:22] JanC a nessus scan on the machine showed up a few cve's. for e.g. https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2023-3090 [17:22] -ubottu:#ubuntu- A heap out-of-bounds write vulnerability in the Linux Kernel ipvlan network driver can be exploited to achieve local privilege escalation. The out-of-bounds write is caused by missing skb->cb initialization in the ipvlan network driver. The vulnerability is reachable if CONFIG_IPVLAN is enabled. We recommend upgrading past commit 90cbed5247439a966b645b34eb0a2e037836ea8e. [17:22] you can use w3m or links to connect locally [17:22] (without a GUI) [17:22] webchat45: I don't have a monitor and keyboard attached to the machine, I was trying to connect to its local IP from my other computer by going into my browser and doing 192.168.1.238:9090/stats but it says refused to connect [17:23] NemosWhisper I see. but how did you manage the get the output of netstat then? [17:23] I'm ssh'd into the ubuntu server [17:23] from my laptop [17:23] that's allright. just try wget localhost:9090 then to see if it can connect to itself [17:24] webchat45: ooh that worked....so does that mean its some sort of firewall issue? [17:25] seems like it. also, there can be something related to your router. for eg. some routers doesn't allow local connected clients to communicate by default (for security reasons) [17:25] NemosWhisper: w3m & links are TUI (text mode) browser [17:26] webchat45: I can connect via my browser to another web server I have on another LAN device (192.168.1.186) no problem [17:26] so maybe, just maybe, your local modem & router might be blocking you aswell. or, just like you said, it can be related to a firewall issue. can you send the output of ufw status [17:26] JanC: thanks, I didn't know about that [17:26] webchat45: https://dpaste.org/d3UAs/raw [17:26] they won't work properly with JavaScript etc., but at least to test they should be okay [17:27] webchat45: also if I try accessing the site after disable ufw with "sudo ufw disable", it still doesn't work :/ [17:28] that's a tricky one. are we sure that both devices are running under same network? are there any virtual network adapters we're talking about? can both machines (server & client) ping their gateway? [17:29] BTW, any help related to kernel upgrade? [17:30] webchat45: yeah i'm confused as well...both are on the same lan (192.168.1.175 trying to reach 192.168.1.238). Both are able to ping their gateway without issue (192.168.1.1). No virtual network adapters, my laptop is on wifi and trying to reach my ubuntu server which is connected via ethernet....but the same laptop is able to reach another device on the LAN that has a web server running...I'm lost. [17:32] possible protocol issue? are we sure that it's working through http? [17:33] webchat45: this is the output when I tried wget'ting the page: https://dpaste.org/ruYgH/raw [17:34] and when I checked what it saved, it was the expected output [17:36] can you ping the server? [17:36] yes [17:36] should I try doing wget from my laptop to the server? [17:39] what's the output of wget [17:39] webchat45: hmm tried wget from my mac laptop to the headless ubuntu server and got an error: Connecting to 192.168.1.238:9090... failed: Connection refused. [17:40] oh yes, that's what I was gonna ask [17:40] are we sure about the IP addresses? [17:40] 100% [17:40] i'm ssh'ing to the same IP address [17:40] sounds like a firewall issue [17:40]