| jrwren | ever RDP to fedora boxes from mac? | 13:30 |
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| jrwren | I get `Error code: 0x207` and when I search for that i get a gazillion hits that don't seem to apply to me. | 13:30 |
| cmaloney | What, you don't think you need to change the Windows password, or that it's a recent Windows update? :) | 14:06 |
| cmaloney | First question is "has this ever worked?" and "does it still work from RDP under Linux?" | 14:07 |
| jrwren | oh! finally looks in journal, it is something wrong with gnome-remote-desktop-daemon, because linux is for servers not desktops :p | 14:53 |
| jrwren | it has never worked for me, but I'm a desktop n00b these days and only know server sturf. | 14:53 |
| jrwren | yeah cmaloney I do't think changing my password is what I need to do :) ugh. bad answers. | 14:54 |
| jrwren | honestly, one of linux's strengths is that it doesnt' have as many bad answers to questions/problems like windows does. | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | Well, considering the only trustworthy source of Windows information is Microsoft.com and it's only community supported... | 15:01 |
| Scary_Guy | "trustworthy" | 15:02 |
| cmaloney | Trustworthy as in mostly won't destroy your computer following the advice. | 15:02 |
| Scary_Guy | I mean more often than not sure, but even they can't get their own crap right half the time. | 15:02 |
| jrwren | dunno. i haven't used windows more than a few minutes at a time for ~13yrs. | 15:10 |
| jrwren | when windows doesn't work for me, I install linux ;) | 15:11 |
| jrwren | Windows hasn't been usable for me since Windows 7. | 15:11 |
| Scary_Guy | Truth | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | <3 | 15:11 |
| Scary_Guy | Even then I skipped town to Ubuntuland | 15:11 |
| cmaloney | I did that in 1994. ;) | 15:12 |
| Scary_Guy | I probably should have, but much like religion we use what our parents did. | 15:12 |
| Scary_Guy | Also the lack of application support really hampered things for a long time. | 15:13 |
| jrwren | I don't think that I heard the word Linux until spring of '95 and I think I first uttered the word immediately after hearing it when I said, "What the fuck is Linux?" :) | 15:16 |
| cmaloney | I just knew it was like the Sun workstations that I imprinted on and I got sick and tired of being in the wrong OS when I dual booted | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | and decided that DOS wasn't where I wanted to be | 15:17 |
| cmaloney | So I was the guy trying to make Applixware, Star Office, and Wordperfect for Linux work | 15:17 |
| Scary_Guy | I liked DOS, though it had its quirks. Crashing it was fun but I have no idea how I managed that. | 15:18 |
| Scary_Guy | I suppose it's just the nostalgia I miss though. I'm sure I'd think it sucked if I tried it today. | 15:19 |
| jrwren | i didn't find DOS's findstr until well into the 2000s even though it was there in dos 6 AFAICT so that shows how little I knew about DOS, even thought I was tuning config.sys and autoexec.bat for folks at a computer store from '95-97 | 15:23 |
| cmaloney | I think most of us spent our time just trying to get X-Wing running. :) | 15:25 |
| Scary_Guy | I remember messing with autoexec.bat to continue rebooting itself on a school computer, that was fun. | 15:25 |
| cmaloney | and whining that it needed 3K more EMM | 15:25 |
| Scary_Guy | I was always more of a Dark Forces guy. | 15:25 |
| jrwren | or even just FIND. "The command is available in MS-DOS versions 2 and later." | 15:25 |
| jrwren | maybe I wouldn't have had to be human grep at my first job when my boss handed me a highlighter and greenbar printout. | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | I just got a 3Do and ran stuff on there. | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | DOS made me a console guy | 15:26 |
| cmaloney | Wing Commander 4 on the 3Do: just ran | 15:27 |
| cmaloney | Megarace on the 3Do: just ran | 15:27 |
| jrwren | Wing Commander, all of them, were definitely my fav at the time. | 15:28 |
| jrwren | wc2 with the voice pack was amazing | 15:28 |
| Scary_Guy | I remember seeing the intro to MegaRace at one of those computer shows where they sold shareware on floppy for $1-$2. Fun times. | 15:29 |
| Scary_Guy | I thought it was the coolest thing ever. | 15:29 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, the first one was just fun | 15:30 |
| cmaloney | the second one was annoying | 15:30 |
| Scary_Guy | I barely remember either | 15:32 |
| jrwren | i don't know it. | 15:33 |
| jrwren | I did see recently that valve made a documentary for the 25yr anniversary of halflife. | 15:33 |
| Scary_Guy | I just remember Lance was annoying as hell and reminded me of a mix of The Running Man and Deathrace 2000. | 15:33 |
| Scary_Guy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wsIcTTSbfs Worth it for the intro | 15:34 |
| jrwren | oh! I do remember this! ha! thanks. | 15:37 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it's a fun game | 15:39 |
| cmaloney | was absolutely dreadful to get running properly on DOS | 15:39 |
| Scary_Guy | I don't remember any major issues running it. Keeping it running on the other hand... that was the challenge. | 15:40 |
| cmaloney | It just needed a beefy, well-tuned machines | 15:41 |
| jrwren | EMM and working around that 640kB limit and loading drivers to himem was an art. :) | 15:52 |
| Scary_Guy | I don't see why, no one needs more than 640KB base memory :P | 15:53 |
| jrwren | lol | 15:56 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, which is why QEMM386 was very useful, and likely the most pirated program next to XTree | 15:59 |
| jrwren | yup | 15:59 |
| cmaloney | And also why I moved to Linux | 15:59 |
| jrwren | When Windows used to crash all the time back then, Linux was amazingly stable, which is why I used it so much back then. | 15:59 |
| cmaloney | same | 16:01 |
| cmaloney | Windows 95 and 98 made it slightly more stable | 16:01 |
| cmaloney | when they moved to NT I was actually kinda impressed | 16:01 |
| cmaloney | Windows 2000 was a rock | 16:01 |
| cmaloney | When they allowed video drivers and other drivers at Ring 0 I considered that a mistake | 16:02 |
| cmaloney | I still do | 16:02 |
| jrwren | yup | 16:11 |
| jrwren | amazing that we ran terminal windows and web browsers in 4MB of RAM back then :) | 16:12 |
| cmaloney | Amazing that a "workstation" could ship with 4MB of RAM | 16:12 |
| Scary_Guy | I mean 4MB was a lot at one point. I remember ATARI 2600 carts had what 8KB? I mean it was a console assigned a specific task, but what people used to be able to do in that was amazing. | 16:15 |
| cmaloney | Good ol' bank switching | 16:15 |
| cmaloney | Most Atari 2600 carts were 2K | 16:15 |
| cmaloney | Later they grew to 4K and 8K | 16:16 |
| Scary_Guy | Even moreso then. I love how all of it could fit on a floppy I think, or some ridiculously small media. | 16:17 |
| cmaloney | Pitfall was 4K if I'm doing my math proper | 16:18 |
| cmaloney | and the VCS itself has 128 _bytes_ of memory | 16:18 |
| jrwren | the fun days of dealing with memory limits. now devs don't even care or think about memory usage, for the most part. | 16:19 |
| Scary_Guy | Yeah, lazy and sloppy code was one thing, but bloated also sucks. | 16:21 |
| cmaloney | Well, the fact that 255 screens of Pitfall takes 50 _bytes_ of ROM | 16:22 |
| cmaloney | That's astounding | 16:22 |
| cmaloney | Nowadays they ship homebrews with a freaking ARM chip in there | 16:23 |
| jrwren | speaking of... anyone got hands on rpi5? I'm impressed with the specs. | 16:24 |
| cmaloney | I have not | 16:24 |
| cmaloney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLfnLYvCSGE <- Champ Games homebrews | 16:25 |
| Scary_Guy | There's a 5 out now? | 16:26 |
| jrwren | yup, but demand is so much that it is out of stock everywhere. | 16:26 |
| Scary_Guy | Because of course it is | 16:27 |
| cmaloney | I'm actually more interested in what's coming out of Beagle nowadays | 16:28 |
| cmaloney | https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beagleplay | 16:29 |
| cmaloney | https://www.beagleboard.org/blog/2023-11-02-beaglev-fire-announcement | 16:29 |
| Scary_Guy | "Easy. Affordable. Connected. Open." They should add In Stock just to poke at RPi a bit. | 16:30 |
| jrwren | beagle is great. if there is a USA org with goals similar to UK rpi, it is beagle | 16:33 |
| cmaloney | Indeed | 16:38 |
| Scary_Guy | I like Pine64. I want to get the PinePhone Pro. | 16:39 |
| Scary_Guy | I haven't tried any of their SBCs though, but technically the PP counts. | 16:39 |
| jrwren | i had a pine64 board. it was junk. never messed with pine after that. | 17:38 |
| Scary_Guy | Well that's unfortunate. The phone works okay for what I use it for. Could use a new/larger battery though. | 17:39 |
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