[13:30] <jrwren> ever RDP to fedora boxes from mac?
[13:30] <jrwren> I get `Error code: 0x207` and when I search for that i get a gazillion hits that don't seem to apply to me.
[14:06] <cmaloney> What, you don't think you need to change the Windows password, or that it's a recent Windows update? :)
[14:07] <cmaloney> First question is "has this ever worked?" and "does it still work from RDP under Linux?"
[14:53] <jrwren> oh! finally looks in journal, it is something wrong with gnome-remote-desktop-daemon, because linux is for servers not desktops :p 
[14:53] <jrwren> it has never worked for me, but I'm a desktop n00b these days and only know server sturf.
[14:54] <jrwren>  yeah cmaloney I do't think changing my password is what I need to do :) ugh. bad answers.
[14:54] <jrwren> honestly, one of linux's strengths is that it doesnt' have as many bad answers to questions/problems like windows does.
[15:01] <cmaloney> Well, considering the only trustworthy source of Windows information is Microsoft.com and it's only community supported...
[15:02] <Scary_Guy> "trustworthy"
[15:02] <cmaloney> Trustworthy as in mostly won't destroy your computer following the advice.
[15:02] <Scary_Guy> I mean more often than not sure, but even they can't get their own crap right half the time.
[15:10] <jrwren> dunno. i haven't used windows more than a few minutes at a time for ~13yrs.
[15:11] <jrwren> when windows doesn't work for me, I install linux ;) 
[15:11] <jrwren> Windows hasn't been usable for me since Windows 7.
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> Truth
[15:11] <cmaloney> <3
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> Even then I skipped town to Ubuntuland
[15:12] <cmaloney> I did that in 1994. ;)
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> I probably should have, but much like religion we use what our parents did.
[15:13] <Scary_Guy> Also the lack of application support really hampered things for a long time.
[15:16] <jrwren> I don't think that I heard the word Linux until spring of '95 and I think I first uttered the word immediately after hearing it when I said, "What the fuck is Linux?" :) 
[15:17] <cmaloney> I just knew it was like the Sun workstations that I imprinted on and I got sick and tired of being in the wrong OS when I dual booted
[15:17] <cmaloney> and decided that DOS wasn't where I wanted to be
[15:17] <cmaloney> So I was the guy trying to make Applixware, Star Office, and Wordperfect for Linux work
[15:18] <Scary_Guy> I liked DOS, though it had its quirks.  Crashing it was fun but I have no idea how I managed that.
[15:19] <Scary_Guy> I suppose it's just the nostalgia I miss though.  I'm sure I'd think it sucked if I tried it today.
[15:23] <jrwren> i didn't find DOS's findstr until well into the 2000s even though it was there in dos 6 AFAICT so that shows how little I knew about DOS, even thought I was tuning config.sys and autoexec.bat for folks at a computer store from '95-97
[15:25] <cmaloney> I think most of us spent our time just trying to get X-Wing running. :)
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> I remember messing with autoexec.bat to continue rebooting itself on a school computer, that was fun.
[15:25] <cmaloney> and whining that it needed 3K more EMM
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> I was always more of a Dark Forces guy.
[15:25] <jrwren> or even just FIND. "The command is available in MS-DOS versions 2 and later."
[15:26] <jrwren> maybe I wouldn't have had to be human grep at my first job when my boss handed me a highlighter and greenbar printout.
[15:26] <cmaloney> I just got a 3Do and ran stuff on there.
[15:26] <cmaloney> DOS made me a console guy
[15:27] <cmaloney> Wing Commander 4 on the 3Do: just ran
[15:27] <cmaloney> Megarace on the 3Do: just ran
[15:28] <jrwren> Wing Commander, all of them, were definitely my fav at the time.
[15:28] <jrwren> wc2 with the voice pack was amazing
[15:29] <Scary_Guy> I remember seeing the intro to MegaRace at one of those computer shows where they sold shareware on floppy for $1-$2.  Fun times.
[15:29] <Scary_Guy> I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
[15:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, the first one was just fun
[15:30] <cmaloney> the second one was annoying
[15:32] <Scary_Guy> I barely remember either
[15:33] <jrwren> i don't know it.
[15:33] <jrwren> I did see recently that valve made a documentary for the 25yr anniversary of halflife.
[15:33] <Scary_Guy> I just remember Lance was annoying as hell and reminded me of a mix of The Running Man and Deathrace 2000.
[15:34] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wsIcTTSbfs Worth it for the intro
[15:37] <jrwren> oh! I do remember this! ha! thanks.
[15:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's a fun game
[15:39] <cmaloney> was absolutely dreadful to get running properly on DOS
[15:40] <Scary_Guy> I don't remember any major issues running it.  Keeping it running on the other hand...  that was the challenge.
[15:41] <cmaloney> It just needed a beefy, well-tuned machines
[15:52] <jrwren> EMM and working around that 640kB limit and loading drivers to himem was an art. :) 
[15:53] <Scary_Guy> I don't see why, no one needs more than 640KB base memory :P
[15:56] <jrwren> lol
[15:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, which is why QEMM386 was very useful, and likely the most pirated program next to XTree
[15:59] <jrwren> yup
[15:59] <cmaloney> And also why I moved to Linux
[15:59] <jrwren> When Windows used to crash all the time back then, Linux was amazingly stable, which is why I used it so much back then.
[16:01] <cmaloney> same
[16:01] <cmaloney> Windows 95 and 98 made it slightly more stable
[16:01] <cmaloney> when they moved to NT I was actually kinda impressed
[16:01] <cmaloney> Windows 2000 was a rock
[16:02] <cmaloney> When they allowed video drivers and other drivers at Ring 0 I considered that a mistake
[16:02] <cmaloney> I still do
[16:11] <jrwren> yup
[16:12] <jrwren> amazing that we ran terminal windows and web browsers in 4MB of RAM back then :)
[16:12] <cmaloney> Amazing that a "workstation" could ship with 4MB of RAM
[16:15] <Scary_Guy> I mean 4MB was a lot at one point.  I remember ATARI 2600 carts had what 8KB?  I mean it was a console assigned a specific task, but what people used to be able to do in that was amazing.
[16:15] <cmaloney> Good ol' bank switching
[16:15] <cmaloney> Most Atari 2600 carts were 2K
[16:16] <cmaloney> Later they grew to 4K and 8K
[16:17] <Scary_Guy> Even moreso then.  I love how all of it could fit on a floppy I think, or some ridiculously small media.
[16:18] <cmaloney> Pitfall was 4K if I'm doing my math proper
[16:18] <cmaloney> and the VCS itself has 128 _bytes_ of memory
[16:19] <jrwren> the fun days of dealing with memory limits. now devs don't even care or think about memory usage, for the most part.
[16:21] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, lazy and sloppy code was one thing, but bloated also sucks.
[16:22] <cmaloney> Well, the fact that 255 screens of Pitfall takes 50 _bytes_ of ROM
[16:22] <cmaloney> That's astounding
[16:23] <cmaloney> Nowadays they ship homebrews with a freaking ARM chip in there
[16:24] <jrwren> speaking of... anyone got hands on rpi5? I'm impressed with the specs.
[16:24] <cmaloney> I have not 
[16:25] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLfnLYvCSGE <- Champ Games homebrews
[16:26] <Scary_Guy> There's a 5 out now?
[16:26] <jrwren> yup, but demand is so much that it is out of stock everywhere.
[16:27] <Scary_Guy> Because of course it is
[16:28] <cmaloney> I'm actually more interested in what's coming out of Beagle nowadays
[16:29] <cmaloney> https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beagleplay
[16:29] <cmaloney> https://www.beagleboard.org/blog/2023-11-02-beaglev-fire-announcement
[16:30] <Scary_Guy> "Easy. Affordable. Connected. Open." They should add In Stock just to poke at RPi a bit.
[16:33] <jrwren> beagle is great. if there is a USA org with goals similar to UK rpi, it is beagle
[16:38] <cmaloney> Indeed
[16:39] <Scary_Guy> I like Pine64.  I want to get the PinePhone Pro.
[16:39] <Scary_Guy> I haven't tried any of their SBCs though, but technically the PP counts.
[17:38] <jrwren> i had a pine64 board. it was junk. never messed with pine after that.
[17:39] <Scary_Guy> Well that's unfortunate.  The phone works okay for what I use it for.  Could use a new/larger battery though.