[00:56] <AngryTom> What is the best gui virtual machine manager for Qemu?
[01:13] <topcat001> virt-manager is quite easy to use
[01:26] <AngryTom> I will check it out.
[02:53] <lp2skyline> Hi, I'm having this weird error when installing Ubuntu 23.10.1 to my Surface Pro 4. It says "request to /storage/v2/guided crashed with ValueError" when I select "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"
[02:53] <lp2skyline> Well, it says that when I go to report the problem
[04:59] <kucklehead> Why is the bashdb package not available for jammy?
[05:01] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&section=all&arch=any&keywords=bashdb&searchon=names does not return anything at all
[05:10] <kucklehead> ravage,  Yes, I am aware of that. I have been planning on creating some advance scripts and would prefer to have a debugger on hand. The --debugger flag is disabled and the source code from github has not been updated for awhile now. I am trying to figure out why they removed it or have not added it. I have thought about manually installing it, however, I would prefer to install it from a repo of some sort that has it up to date as of this year. I
[05:10] <kucklehead> did find a repo that last updated in 2021 i think
[05:11] <ravage> it never existed
[05:11] <kucklehead> Oh
[05:11] <ravage> at least not on any release supported right now
[05:12] <ravage> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/bashdb.1.html
[05:13] <ravage> so it was removed after 16.04
[05:14] <ravage> i guess today you would use something like https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=rogalmic.bash-debug
[05:21] <ravage> or https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck
[06:59] <dimitri> hi
[09:23] <phr34k> hello, I am a bit confused about extglob. Basically, I have directory of files that I want to move except for one i.e.       "mv !(test) test" is that it skips hidden files.
[09:24] <phr34k> I'm just not really how i can make my behavior work.
[09:38] <ms9944> hi
[09:52] <YoY> Hello all
[09:52] <YoY> i have an old notebook i want to know what are the alternatives for it ?
[09:55] <AngryTom> a new notebook?
[10:03] <ravage> YoY: we need a little more information. what are the specs?
[14:36] <Yakov> sometimes getting 200~ word preceding my commands in gnome-terminal, how to fix it?
[14:39] <jeremy31> Yakov: sounds like a copy paste issue from internet browser
[14:40] <jeremy31> Yakov: https://superuser.com/questions/1532688/pasting-required-text-into-terminal-emulator-results-in-200required-text
[14:57] <mort> What are some tricks for disabling or reducing logging in Ubuntu?
[14:57] <mort> I have Ubuntu running from an SD card on an SBC, constant writes to SD cards destroys them
[15:02] <Paris> did you check the writes? cause things are firtuakized sometimes like /proc /sys, maybe it is possible tobhave /var as a RAM virtual partiton? very unsure too, and complicated. It must be possible to reduce with config options in /etc maybe, i mean reduce log stuff to necessary, move your /tmp folder too then,symlink to a another storage things like that.
[15:03] <mort> I don't want logs eating up my RAM either though
[15:22] <Yakov> how to locate ~/.inputrc file (need to edit lines for ~200 brackets set enable-bracketed-paste On)
[15:51] <seere> Yakov: just as you named it - right in your home directory. If not there then create it.
[16:01] <Yakov> seere ty
[16:06] <fweht> why are all folders from my home on my desktop, i thought only files and folders from the desktop folder are supposed to show up?
[16:19] <rbox> mort: what logs do you want to disable
[16:22] <ppnm> i got a zombie process https://tfaq.cc/uZ5OtO
[16:24] <ppnm> after kill the orphan ... when log in they run again
[16:44] <dg_> Can I ask for help with hostapd?
[16:44] <rbox> i dont know, can you?
[16:45] <dg_> I tried set up an Access Point, but it stops broadcasting after a short while
[16:58] <mort> rbox: all sorts of stuff that writes to files in /var/log
[16:58] <rbox> for example
[16:58] <seere> ppnm: to get rid of a zombie kill the parent. if there are other ways to let the parent collect the exit state of it's dead children then use this. But usually there aren't any as zombies mostly are from programming errors in the parent (not wait(2)-ing for their children)
[16:59] <mort> journald, nginx, sshd, apt, syslog, ubuntu-advantage stuff, dmesg, cloud-init, apport, ...
[17:01] <rbox> the journal has config files for controlling how much and where it logs
[17:02] <rbox> syslog controls most of that other stuff and you can configure that
[17:31] <WhyDItGo> Hello! Does anyone know if the two recent base updates reverted the new App Center back to Ubuntu Software? Is there info I'm missing? App Center was just there yesterday. Booting my machine this morning, it's back to App Center.........
[17:34] <rbox> "the two recent updates"...
[17:37] <WhyDItGo> BASE updates - I figured the name implies a "Core Base" that every Ubuntu system runs. I'd appreciate help instead of mocking quotation
[17:37] <rbox> huh?
[17:38] <WhyDItGo> Where can I check/what can I provide to try to help figure out what, and when, it happened?
[17:38] <centHOGG> interwebs
[17:39] <rbox> figure out what
[17:40] <WhyDItGo> My apologies, my original post has a mistake: My 'App Center' (New with 23.10) reverted back to old 'Ubuntu Software'
[17:41] <WhyDItGo> App Center was there just yesterday; this morning booting up (after installing a second prompted 'Base Update(s)' for the second day in a row), App Center has been replaced with Ubuntu Software
[17:41] <rbox> so the title changed?
[17:41] <WhyDItGo> The whole app
[17:42] <rbox> so you're just using 2 separate things...
[17:42] <WhyDItGo> Here's the full story
[17:46] <WhyDItGo> I first found this chat & learned to connect after I upgraded a FRESH 22.04 install to the detected 23.10 update available. No errors or anything; system updates.....everything but Ubuntu Software to App Center (the main touted benefit of this update). User here was able to help me narrow it down to the old Ubuntu Software having a process running that wouldn't close & was stopping replacement of US to AC
[17:47] <WhyDItGo> Closed the process, ran the update, Ubuntu Software was uninstalled & App Center installed and working(ish, I figure the small things I've found are just bugs to iron out later; nothing major. Until this morning)
[17:48] <WhyDItGo> This happens right as I'm trying to force myself to let go of a nasty cycle of building & destroying so many Ubuntu installs because "something went wrong; something else *might* be wrong, let's burn down the house & build a new one
[17:49] <rbox> the main benefit of updating ubuntu is a different installer app?
[17:49] <centHOGG> i know
[17:49] <centHOGG> :)
[17:49] <WhyDItGo> BUT: It was literally a freshly installed 22.04 that I spent maybe 45m-1H configuring Settings, when the system prompted it found the 23.10 upgrade (just days after it's release)
[17:50] <centHOGG> live and learn, LTS ftw
[17:50] <WhyDItGo> So, if I can't trust a freshly installed system to not break RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX like that...that's just another confirmation that I /am/ valid in burning down the house & rebuilding (because I don't have to worry about actual materials spent ;P)
[17:51] <centHOGG> less is more with linux
[17:51] <rbox> if you can't trust a freshyly installed system... who can you t rust
[17:55] <WhyDItGo> centHOGG Very much this. I get the release cycle; I get a lot of things behind it's development. But...man...this is just the same sh*t happening more than a decade and a half later (more?) after learning about Ubuntu in high school. It's gone through A LOT of aesthetic changes, and sure it finally is (mostly) slick looking. But how TF does the main part of an upgrade just...not upgrade? Not have privileges to end the old
[17:55] <WhyDItGo> softwares process to install the new? To act like everything went fine with no errors. Blows my damn mind
[17:55] <WhyDItGo> @rbox Lol, great. Keep pushing me into my burn the house for the spider ;D
[17:56] <centHOGG> WhyDItGo: troodat. Stick with the LTS (forexample 20.04). Then purge stuff after you've setup desktop style
[17:56] <centHOGG> shouldn't take long at all
[18:02] <WhyDItGo> I could go on laughing & ranting (thanks for the humour; needed it), but I do want to try and get to the bottom of how it replaced itself (in case of potential security issues). Is there a (human readable) go-to log for general App Installs?
[18:03] <centHOGG> well, why not lookup the problem on the internet and maybe something will come up (guessing)
[18:03] <rbox> yes, something defintely hacked you
[18:03] <rbox> WhyDItGo: apt logs are in /var/log
[18:07] <dtg01100> i've had the snap-store also downgrade to the version in latest/stable instead of the channel i'm tracking in latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10
[18:10] <WhyDItGo> Thank you rbox. Odd, only entry is for an update to gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock, but I know there were more changes through apt (and possibly the one's I'm looking for were made outside apt & possibly not show?). Also, this entry was supposedly held back (which I thought was odd) as reported in a Terminal window
[18:11] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Can you elaborate please? I do know there are different release channels - are you suggestion something might be pointing to "22.04 Latest" versus "23.10" latest? Where can I check this?
[18:12] <dtg01100> running "snap info snap-store" in a terminal
[18:12] <WhyDItGo> I usually check all sources of installed apps out of curiosity/occasionally needing a [newer] version. Since App Center didn't fully upgrade, I could see where something might be pointing to an old resource
[18:13] <centHOGG> 99% of resources in linux are open-source
[18:14] <dtg01100> the paste of my output is at https://dpaste.com/B22DPZX5C
[18:15] <dtg01100> it's been acting the same for both of my computers, so it's not an issue with that single install
[18:15] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 I understand what your saying. Mine's tracking 'latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10', so sounds like we've experienced similar
[18:16] <dtg01100> the only thing i've found online is a couple of reddit threads that were posted earlier today
[18:17] <dtg01100> thinking of putting a post in the snapcraft forum to see if anyone knows what happened
[18:20] <Yakov> having some crappy popups in my firefox browser like adds which blocks for a while ability to click with mouse any tab
[18:20] <Yakov> how to disable it and protect against new?
[18:21] <xangua> Ublock
[18:21] <xangua> Ublock Origin* addon for Firefox
[18:24] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Bingo, ours "refreshed" around the same time. I'm going to upload my output. Might check the other install and see if/when it refreshed - looks like a process that waits until "late at night" (21:00, 22:00) to trigger. My machine was off the charger and died, but would've happened HOURS after the refresh
[18:25] <WhyDItGo> Actually, 22:25 PST for me possibly is when that base update triggered & I installed it through the 'Software Updater' tool
[18:26] <WhyDItGo> https://dpaste.com/FBH6Y45P4
[18:26] <WhyDItGo> Feel free to reference that in any posts you make
[18:29] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Are you sure this is limited to just a plugin & not malware? You can type 'about:addons' (without single quotes) to get to the management view where you can remove. If you're not sure which, disable all and turn them on one at a time. @xangua is correct; there are many ad blocking services; Go with Ublock Origin
[18:32] <WhyDItGo> Additionally, there are labs that review anti-virus/malware products & generate data to see which are best - if you browse questionable territory on the internet, this is recommended if your hardware won't be bottled down with one for Linux
[18:34] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 Thank you very much for your help! This helps narrow things down; and it helps to hear you have more than one machine experiencing similar. Only other question: Were you able to successfully force it to upgrade back to App Center instead of Ubuntu Software?
[18:40] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo you can try running "snap revert snap-store" to roll back the last update
[18:45] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo If the previous version isn't available on your system. You can also run "snap refresh snap-store --channel latest/edge" to follow the absolute latest versions, but that may be unstable.
[18:45] <Yakov> WhyDItGo, it looks like malware, ad blocker does not help
[18:45] <Yakov> WhyDItGo what should I do?
[18:49] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Did you disable all Add-on Extensions to confirm the issue was still happening? If so & it's persisting, you generally gave two options: 1) Try and save the system or 2) Backup Data for sanitization later & nuke/re-install system
[18:53] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Option 1 I personally would image the drive where Ubuntu is installed just to have a copy. Then, there are special USB-based rescue tools (do an internet search for which you care to use; don't pay - there are plenty of free one's that are reputable/have been around awhile
[18:53] <Yakov> I think I just reinstall system
[18:53] <Yakov> ty
[18:53] <WhyDItGo> Before you go
[18:55] <WhyDItGo> Backup data to a "blank" USB you want to keep and SANITIZE THE FILES before moving them back to your computer. Most likely isolated to Firefox, but, you never know & it's best to be safe. Good luck!
[19:01] <disgrunt> Sorry for the newb question but searching the Internet has been of no use for me... I'd like the apt system to automatically install all documentation packages, how is that properly accomplished?
[19:05] <rbox> what documentation packages
[19:07] <disgrunt> rbox:  Any related to the package being installed.  man, info, doc, etc.
[19:07] <rbox> man pages are always installed
[19:07] <disgrunt> rbox:  There are often seperate -doc packages as well as info, etc, etc.
[19:08] <rbox> like?
[19:08] <WhyDItGo> If you mean documentation per piece of software, I believe that's explicitly up to the person that packages it. In my experience, to keep a lot of software light, they'll include basic commands if not installed by default
[19:08] <disgrunt> WhyDItGo:  I'm aware.  I'm wondering how to get the apt system to autoinstall and -doc packages.
[19:08] <disgrunt> For a start.
[19:09] <rbox> what makes you think it can do that
[19:09] <disgrunt> rbox:  Because Debian could in the '00s.
[19:09] <rbox> by doing what
[19:10] <disgrunt> rbox:  If I remembered that, I'd probably have my answer.
[19:13] <disgrunt> Perhaps another question... On 24.04.3 is there a way to have an encrypted /boot that isn't a major hassle?
[19:25] <WhyDItGo> @rbox You come off rather abrasive & unwilling to help for, well, the #ubuntu HELP chat...
[19:25] <kwhat4> Hi, I have been using ubutnu for some github actions and the cross compiler I was installing not longer works.  The same process I use to install as part of the CI process seems to work on my local image.  Does anyone know what maybe causing this: https://dpaste.com/HANWQKTAP ?  The installation process I am using: https://dpaste.com/HJDMY5MCY
[19:27] <rbox> kwhat4: and what version are you using
[19:28] <rbox> and when did this stop working
[19:29] <kwhat4> 20.04 for both, local is at 20.04.4 and I am not sure what the remote exact version is. How can I determine that? is there a /etc/release file on ubuntu?
[19:29] <kwhat4> rbox not exactly sure when it stopped. It was working about 3 months ago
[19:31] <boxrick> Hello folks!
[19:33] <WhyDItGo> Firstly there are broken packages that need to be fixed. You can follow the suggestions here: https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ubuntu-fix-broken-packages and possibly craft your own. Then, you'll want to check for any remaining dependencies that aren't met; you may be able to install using an apt command
[19:33] <rbox> where is 22.04 coming from then
[19:34] <boxrick> I'm running a modern x570 system with a (fast 980pro) NVME disk and a fresh install of 22.04. The latency seems high for that disk, so I swapped it out for an even faster one (Hynix Platinum P41) which was the double the size. Did another fresh install and still same issue. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CKjgh4Oh/IMG_7003.PNG
[19:34] <boxrick> I'm running a modern x570 system with a (fast 980pro) NVME disk and a fresh install of 22.04. The latency seems high for that disk, so I swapped it out for an even faster one (Hynix Platinum P41) which was the double the size. Did another fresh install and still same issue. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RkgSthdC/IMG_7002.PNG
[19:34] <boxrick> Oh it double sent the text.... Anyway you get the point
[19:38] <kwhat4> rbox lsb_release -a on the remote instance shows buntu 22.04.3 LTS (jammy)
[19:38] <rbox> well that explains why you're seeing differences...
[19:40] <Yakov> I just copied some snap binaries from one machine (where it was built) to other machine, I need to add new app to snap list and run using absolute path, how to proceed?
[19:48] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo I've now reproduced the snap-store version issue with a fresh vm
[19:49] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 I'm curious! General steps to reproduce? As in, you had it "downgrade/revert" itself?
[19:50] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo Installed a fresh vm, attempted to switch channel to latest/stable/ubuntu-23.10
[19:51] <WhyDItGo> @Yakov Sorry, this is a bit beyond me
[19:51] <dtg01100> this was an attempt to remove any possibility of my setup being the problem
[19:52] <WhyDItGo> 23.10 direct install, or 22.04->23.10?
[19:54] <dtg01100> my own machine was a 23.10 direct install, the vm is a 22.04 install
[19:54] <kwhat4> Is there a way i can specify a GCC slot to install ?
[19:55] <rbox> kwhat4: what do you mean slot
[19:55] <kwhat4> like 12 or 11 instead of the exact version
[19:55] <rbox> you can't pick the version
[19:55] <rbox> you get wahts in the repo
[19:55] <kwhat4> why on earth is it trying to install both 11 and 12?
[19:57] <rbox> whre is it instaling 11 and 12
[19:57] <seere> there are some gcc-XY in the repos.
[19:58] <rbox> kwhat4: i just spun up a 22.04 container and your script worked fine for me
[19:59] <seere> kwhat4: maybe packages depending on an exact gcc version?
[19:59] <kwhat4> Setting up gcc-12-cross-base (12.3.0-1ubuntu1~22.04cross1) ...followed by Setting up gcc-11-cross-base (11.4.0-1ubuntu1~22.04cross1) ...
[19:59] <kwhat4> I have no idea why this GitHub image stopped working.
[20:04] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 To clarify, I suspect my path (Fresh 22.04, almost immediately upgraded to 23.10 BUT failed to upgrade properly) was what had to do with then the 23.10 reverting itself (once I fixed it not being upgraded lol)
[20:07] <WhyDItGo> @dtg01100 22.04 is shipped with Ubuntu Software; App Center is new in 23.10. If I understand correctly by what you typed, you forced a 22.04 fresh system to install 23.10, and it reverted back to 22.04 Ubuntu Software from 23.10 App Center?
[20:11] <dtg01100> @WhyDItGo Ubuntu Software and App Center are rebrands of snap-store, it updates independently of the rest of the system. I think the store issue just had really unfortunate timing in your case.
[20:50] <kwhat4> turns out M$ has added their own repos to their images
[20:52] <Yakov> need to completely purge/reinstall valgrind without reinstalling OS
[20:52] <Yakov> any clues?
[20:56] <kwhat4> For some reason i need deb https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu/ jammy main with their container
[20:59] <kwhat4> Yakov cant you just apt remote valgrind && apt autoremove and then reinstall?
[21:28] <Yakov> update db && locate, rm -r does the trick
[23:27] <MrMobius> can I change the color of colors in the terminal in ubuntu server running in console mode? I don't mean the terminal program since I'm not SSHing in from another computer and I'm not booting into a GNOME or a GUI with a terminal program. I mean the actual color on the LCD when it boots directly to the terminal. The shade of regular blue for directory names, for example, is so dark it's hard to see on the black background
[23:31] <rbox> MrMobius: LS_COLORS is the colors ls uses
[23:32] <MrMobius> rbox: ls is just an example. I'm hoping to change the rgb value of that shade of blue for anything that writes to the screen
[23:33] <rbox> https://askubuntu.com/questions/147462/how-can-i-change-the-tty-colors
[23:33] <rbox> maybe?