| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> arraybolt3: what repos/data *exactly* did you need from Phab? Excluding the wiki, I have Simon and Dan working on that stuff | 02:39 |
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| arraybolt3 | I was trying to get the "old art" repo out. | 02:39 |
| arraybolt3 | (also, nice timing :P just was working on setting up an RPi and was thinking about some things we had discussed on Linux Saloon last night) | 02:39 |
| arraybolt3 | That was the only repo I was interested in, everything else except of course the Wiki I didn't use. | 02:42 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> arraybolt3: https://git.lubuntu.me/lubuntu-restricted/oldart/ see if you can access that | 02:52 |
| arraybolt3 | yep | 02:52 |
| arraybolt3 | thanks! | 02:52 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> yep | 02:53 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> double check becuase i just privated it | 02:53 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> see if you can still reach it | 02:53 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> old art is still there | 02:53 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> opening the individual files tries to show thumbnails, etc. that were on S3 but it's not accurate so | 02:54 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> i had to do some chaos :P | 02:54 |
| arraybolt3 | @teward001: 404s. | 02:55 |
| arraybolt3 | My RPi's case also seems to be giving me a 404 error (i.e., I lost it) | 02:56 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> hah | 02:57 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> i need to add you to the proper permissions group then | 02:57 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> stdby | 02:57 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> try now | 02:58 |
| arraybolt3 | hmm, I may need to sign in :P | 02:58 |
| arraybolt3 | alright, now I can see it | 02:59 |
| arraybolt3 | thanks! | 02:59 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> yep | 03:00 |
| lubot | [telegram] <teward001> *returns to the abyss* | 03:00 |
| tsimonq2 | Good morning. | 15:11 |
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| lubot | [telegram] <Leokolb> Good afternoon😁😁 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Good morning.) | 16:38 |
| tsimonq2 | https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/commit/?id=c3a161dc23cc32d2f83acbd0cb28ae97c68d74af | 16:53 |
| -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit c3a161d in ubuntu-cdimage "Remove Colin Watson from the Daily CD Health Check emails" | 16:53 | |
| tsimonq2 | Related: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/commit/?id=0d7c2b6840cfcfcdb30c841b761ae948cec4668b | 16:54 |
| -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 0d7c2b6 in ubuntu-cdimage "Bump lubuntu jammy size limit per tsimonq2" | 16:54 | |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift-qt/0.6-2 | 17:44 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Seeding as a Recommends. | 17:44 |
| tsimonq2 | lubuntu-meta upload done following that. I demoted a *lot* to recommends. | 18:16 |
| tsimonq2 | Once that all migrates (read: 2-3 hours), I'll respin the daily to pick up these changes. | 18:17 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: I think our next step just in terms of redshift-qt is to add some kind of desktop entry, and then ping Lyn, asking her to add it to the manual. | 18:19 |
| tsimonq2 | Right now, the only way to launch redshift-qt is via the CLI. | 18:19 |
| tsimonq2 | I worry about translations for that desktop entry, so maybe there's an existing redshift one we can use. | 18:20 |
| tsimonq2 | /usr/share/applications/redshift-gtk.desktop looks promising. | 18:20 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah, that would be a good idea, it does have translations. I'll open an MP on Salsa once it's all done and uploaded. | 18:21 |
| tsimonq2 | Anyway, in the meantime I'll be getting into some $dayjob stuff. | 18:22 |
| lubot | [telegram] <kc2bez> Upstream redshift-qt has a desktop sans translations | 18:24 |
| tsimonq2 | ...oh? | 18:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I see. So it does. | 18:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Also, upstream has not pushed a commit in three years. Do we want to fork it? | 18:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Maybe make it Qt 6. :P | 18:26 |
| tsimonq2 | (Alternatively, Qtilities might want it.) | 18:26 |
| lubot | [telegram] <kc2bez> That all makes sense to me. At least initially. | 18:27 |
| tsimonq2 | Sweet. In the meantime, sometime before EOD I'll patch the Debian package to both include that .desktop file and include translations from redshift-gtk (citing copyright properly). | 18:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Fork it sounds good. | 18:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh, and o/ | 18:28 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ arraybolt3 | 18:28 |
| tsimonq2 | It did pick up some steam on Twitter, too: https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1728553651378020385 | 18:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Neat! | 18:29 |
| tsimonq2 | (Not as much as the idea of a Windows 11 theme, though. :P https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1725270913204006934 ) | 18:29 |
| arraybolt3 | heh | 18:29 |
| tsimonq2 | Also on the list, we should look at why sddm-conf doesn't pick up any default settings. Maybe it needs to be ran with pkexec / lxqt-sudo. | 18:30 |
| arraybolt3 | I did some research last night since I had a slightly crazy idea - having an official RPi image sounds very handy, but what if we also were the first *desktop* RISC-V flavor? | 18:30 |
| tsimonq2 | (Probably the former, so e.g. Ubuntu Studio could use it.) | 18:30 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Show me the money / show me the hardware ;) | 18:30 |
| tsimonq2 | I'd love to, though. | 18:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Plasma has its own sddm configuration kcm. | 18:31 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, since apparently people like Windows 11, why not ship both, in the spirit of Windows? :P | 18:31 |
| * tsimonq2 runs | 18:31 | |
| arraybolt3 | Heh, the one I had in my sights was a VisionFive2, but it seems that the 2GB variant is hard to find... | 18:33 |
| tsimonq2 | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/patch-pilot-hand-off-24-04/39509/23 | 18:36 |
| arraybolt3 | I thought they were going to be super cheap but I see some of the ads faked me out:P | 18:36 |
| tsimonq2 | hah | 18:37 |
| arraybolt3 | I wanted to make a new Lubuntu theme but after seeing so many people call Lubuntu polished, I think everyone's happy with our existing theme. Which is nice, means we know something to *not* change so we don't make lots of people mad. | 18:39 |
| arraybolt3 | I like the new optional themes though, a lot. | 18:39 |
| arraybolt3 | If we could get a Windows-y Openbox theme to go with that might make it "complete". | 18:40 |
| arraybolt3 | I know what theme I'd pick for that too, so I might take a break from Universe maintenance to package it. | 18:40 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Here's the two lines in my ~/.bashrc that I *think* do it: | 20:11 |
| tsimonq2 | shopt -s histappend | 20:11 |
| tsimonq2 | PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;$PROMPT_COMMAND" | 20:11 |
| arraybolt3 | trying | 20:12 |
| arraybolt3 | seems to *sorta* work | 20:12 |
| tsimonq2 | https://podcast.asknoahshow.com/363 | 20:12 |
| arraybolt3 | but I have to open a new terminal to "unlock" history from other ones | 20:12 |
| tsimonq2 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1288/preserve-bash-history-in-multiple-terminal-windows | 20:13 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: That likely has the complete command you're looking for ^^^^ | 20:13 |
| arraybolt3 | almost works... | 20:14 |
| arraybolt3 | but now I have to do *something* in a new terminal to get it to re-read the file :P | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | *Almost* is better than *not at all*. :P | 20:15 |
| arraybolt3 | true :P | 20:15 |
| arraybolt3 | and I can just hit "enter" to force a reload now | 20:15 |
| arraybolt3 | one thing I have learned to do is to split my one terminal into multiple panes in Konsole. Very handy. | 20:18 |
| tsimonq2 | You can split windows into multiple components with tmux/byobu too, or QTerminal supports the same, or Vim supports it too. ;) | 20:21 |
| arraybolt3 | tmux is awesome, but Konsole's terminal panes are just a bit more convenient | 20:21 |
| arraybolt3 | (and I daily-drive Kubuntu) | 20:22 |
| arraybolt3 | I may end up getting to daily-drive Lubuntu in the near future, which would be awesome, but right now I don't have enough drive space to be comfortable with dual-booting, nor do I have the right drive setup to make it easy, and I need Kubuntu for some of the things I do. | 20:22 |
| * arraybolt3 wonders if you can put two partition tables on one disk... | 20:23 | |
| tsimonq2 | Probably not, probably not. :P | 20:23 |
| arraybolt3 | something something NVMe namespaces | 20:23 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Just install LXQt ;) | 20:23 |
| arraybolt3 | anyway, tsimonq2: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1056780 look at the last message, review the thingy in the GitHub link if you could please :) | 20:24 |
| -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Debian bug 1056780 in openmsx "openmsx: Source-less Windows binary in source package (and other packaging issues)" [Serious, Open] | 20:24 | |
| arraybolt3 | tsimonq2: ERR:NOT_THAT_BRAVE | 20:24 |
| arraybolt3 | (I've never installed two DEs on one Ubuntu system before except in a VM where it went very poorly. I know guiverc is famous for being able to do that sort of thing without issues but *I* need a bit more stability than that.) | 20:24 |
| arraybolt3 | (and I'm on Jammy for reasons) | 20:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Holy hacky setup, Batman. | 20:25 |
| arraybolt3 | w.r.t. the GitHub link? Yeah. #BlameGoogle | 20:25 |
| tsimonq2 | Why... just why... did you put tarballs in a Git repository and throw them on GitHub. :P | 20:25 |
| arraybolt3 | Google refused to let me send them as file attachments :( | 20:25 |
| arraybolt3 | something about a "disallowed file type" | 20:26 |
| * tsimonq2 slaps arraybolt3 with a wet fish | 20:26 | |
| tsimonq2 | Anyway, reviewing. | 20:26 |
| arraybolt3 | I think probably it tore open my .tar.gz, saw something about openMSX it found fishy, and then decided to slap me for it. | 20:26 |
| arraybolt3 | https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6590?visit_id=638366438731975290-1734539295&p=BlockedMessage&rd=1 (was the link Gmail handed me when I tried to send) | 20:26 |
| tsimonq2 | 19.1+dfsg-2 can be 19.1+dfsg-1 since adding the suffix is a version bump in and of itself. | 20:27 |
| tsimonq2 | "Use debhelper 13 rather than debhelper 10." Did you have to make any changes as a result of this, or "no changes needed"> | 20:27 |
| tsimonq2 | *? | 20:27 |
| arraybolt3 | I think it was a "no changes needed" thing. | 20:28 |
| arraybolt3 | I just bumped the debhelper version. | 20:28 |
| tsimonq2 | I see you bumped Standards-version, where's your changelog entry? :P | 20:28 |
| arraybolt3 | I did not intentionally bump it. | 20:28 |
| arraybolt3 | It was at 4.6.2 when I started. | 20:28 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh, cool. | 20:28 |
| tsimonq2 | As for debhelper, yeah I'd just note no changes are needed, tbh. | 20:28 |
| arraybolt3 | (Wait until you see the copyright file. It's awesome.) | 20:28 |
| tsimonq2 | What the heck is the BSL? :P | 20:30 |
| arraybolt3 | Boost Software License | 20:30 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh. Cool. | 20:30 |
| arraybolt3 | (Not Business Source License thankfully!) | 20:30 |
| tsimonq2 | Is this the only .dll in the directory? Contrib/codec/Win32/zmbv.dll | 20:32 |
| arraybolt3 | Yes. | 20:32 |
| tsimonq2 | Are these DFSG-compatible source-side? | 20:33 |
| tsimonq2 | rm -rf Contrib/dmk/build/ | 20:33 |
| tsimonq2 | rm -rf Contrib/tsx/build/ | 20:33 |
| * arraybolt3 checks | 20:34 | |
| tsimonq2 | "Overhauled copyright file." was it at an older format, or just rehauled? | 20:34 |
| arraybolt3 | I literally don't have those directories in my tree. | 20:34 |
| arraybolt3 | "was it at an older format or just rehauled?" Yes. | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | :P | 20:35 |
| tsimonq2 | Okay cool, so they're generated during the build. | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | (the formatting was very bad) | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | (and the data was inaccurate) | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | so I guess just rehauled | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | but it felt like having to bring it up-to-date formatting-wise too | 20:35 |
| tsimonq2 | Well, if it's an older format, guess what, you need to note it :P if the formatting just looked like garbage, what you have is cool. | 20:35 |
| arraybolt3 | I didn't change the Format line at the top, so I think just the formatting looked like garbage. | 20:36 |
| tsimonq2 | Running it through my automated gauntlet, let's see how bad Lintian shrieks in pain. :P | 20:36 |
| arraybolt3 | it looked like it was the same format as the files I've always worked through. | 20:36 |
| arraybolt3 | tsimonq2: won't shriek as loudly as it did at me :P | 20:36 |
| tsimonq2 | hah :D | 20:36 |
| arraybolt3 | also unless you own a Ryzen 9 or a modded M3 Mac Studio, expect the build to be a while :) | 20:38 |
| tsimonq2 | I mean, it takes 22 minutes on Launchpad, my computer has more RAM and CPU power than a Launchpad builder, so :P | 20:39 |
| arraybolt3 | it's the autopkgtest that takes a long time :) but yes, I suppose if you skip that it won't be that bad. | 20:39 |
| tsimonq2 | Oh, I should probably run the autopkgtest, huh. :P | 20:39 |
| arraybolt3 | (builds take like 45min for me with the autopkgtest included.) | 20:39 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll let you know how long mine takes, so we can swap notes ;) | 20:40 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: So... is it a Lintian bug? :P | 20:44 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: I might make you fix this for core-dev down the road XD | 20:44 |
| arraybolt3 | in Lintian? :P | 20:50 |
| arraybolt3 | I'm pretty sure it's Lintian's fault since every stanza has a different license assigned to it, so I may dig into Lintian and try to fix it. | 20:50 |
| tsimonq2 | Yes :P | 20:50 |
| arraybolt3 | But I don;t know Perl... | 20:50 |
| tsimonq2 | I've patched Lintian before XD | 20:50 |
| tsimonq2 | Bah, any programming language is easy once you know one | 20:50 |
| tsimonq2 | Except PHP. Never PHP. :P | 20:50 |
| * tsimonq2 runs from teward | 20:51 | |
| arraybolt3 | PHP wasn't that bad :P | 20:51 |
| arraybolt3 | I've fiddled with it before | 20:51 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm sorry, JavaScript type definitions are definitely worse. :P | 20:51 |
| arraybolt3 | JS != PHP | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3 | *ducks* | 20:52 |
| lubot | [telegram] <tsimonq2> https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/9afe6dd3/file_10162.jpg | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3 | haha | 20:52 |
| arraybolt3 | dynamic type casting gone wrong | 20:53 |
| arraybolt3 | tsimonq2: build finish? | 21:19 |
| arraybolt3 | If so and you're OK with the state it's in, I'll push a version number change and add one extra changelog snippet about the debhelper version. | 21:19 |
| arraybolt3 | (Given the complexity of that package, I'll be really happy if the only things I missed were the version and the changelog since I learned new things about both.) | 21:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Anyone else noticed that their Noble box hasn't popped up an upgrade notification in a while? I keep manually launching the upgrader when I boot up my VM. | 21:28 |
| guiverc | i noted a few no-upgrades on my regular checks; but I check multiple times a day (3-5 common) so tend to ignore, but yeah, more than expected | 21:30 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Yup, just waiting on the autopkgtest. | 21:43 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: updates> Nothing has changed there quite yet IIRC, but it does only prompt once a day, and it's on a bash loop with a sleep statement, so :P | 21:43 |
| arraybolt3 | I'm just used to it popping up almost immediately when I boot. | 21:44 |
| arraybolt3 | autopkgtest for openMSX Works On My Machine(TM) so I expect it to go smoothly. Expectations differ from reality all too often though... so here's hoping it works | 21:47 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: What happens when you manually walk through that Bash script on the command line? | 21:51 |
| tsimonq2 | It could be one of two things... | 21:52 |
| tsimonq2 | a) apt-check isn't picking up new packages, due to either a malformation in sources.list or some other reason | 21:52 |
| arraybolt3 | It gripes some about missing things w.r.t. sha256, and then it prints out a bunch of "Hash found" messages. | 21:52 |
| tsimonq2 | b) it's not successfully running | 21:52 |
| tsimonq2 | ah | 21:52 |
| arraybolt3 | wait... what bash script? | 21:52 |
| arraybolt3 | it's the hash checker right? | 21:52 |
| arraybolt3 | the one in debian/missing-sources | 21:52 |
| tsimonq2 | /usr/libexec/lubuntu-update-notifier/lubuntu-upg-notifier.sh | 21:53 |
| arraybolt3 | oh that one | 21:53 |
| arraybolt3 | totally different script XD | 21:53 |
| arraybolt3 | I thought I botched something in openMSX | 21:53 |
| tsimonq2 | So, if you run `sudo apt update`, you get these same errors, right? | 21:53 |
| arraybolt3 | The only errors I get when I sudo apt update is the fact that "devel" and "noble" don't look like the same suite to apt, but it works anyway, | 21:54 |
| arraybolt3 | hmm, does lubuntu-upgrade-notifier dislike apt *warnings*? | 21:54 |
| arraybolt3 | My VM is a Mantic system upgraded to Noble by hand from early in the cycle. | 21:54 |
| arraybolt3 | and yes, I intentionally put "devel" in sources.list, not "noble" since "noble" wasn't assigned a name yet | 21:55 |
| teward | (so s/devel/noble/ now?) | 22:51 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Well, I would expect apt-check to return differently if there are apt warnings, yeah. | 23:05 |
| tsimonq2 | arraybolt3: Do those warnings actually *block* a full-upgrade? Like, can you still run Apply Full Upgrade and have it work? Or is it just a no-op? | 23:06 |
| arraybolt3 | I can still manually apply full upgrades, yes. | 23:06 |
| tsimonq2 | When it's next available to you (when you have updates you can apply), can you check whether apt-check still outputs the same when there's apt warnings? | 23:08 |
| tsimonq2 | Handling an error code interrupting things is one thing - if there's an entirely *different* output that doesn't include the information we need, yeah, we should know about that. | 23:09 |
| tsimonq2 | I also wonder, just briefly, if apt-check is in Python, and if we can simply import and use that in a Pythonic way. That'll take out the UX middleman. | 23:09 |
| tsimonq2 | Yeah, it *is* in Python, it's just not in a class-based structure. Not the biggest deal in the world. | 23:11 |
| tsimonq2 | We *could* try to upstream a patch throwing that into some kind of class structure. We could also go upstream and do some slight refactoring (if we have to) to ensure it *can* be ran from a different file. | 23:11 |
| tsimonq2 | In that case, I think the ideal UX would be, still *prompt* the user even if there's apt warnings, but let them know about it. | 23:12 |
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